Poll : Does Tyson Fury career bores you to death ?

[margaret thatcher]

beating chisora and hunter plus being undisputed cruiser champ (tell me a top cruiser who wouldnt be at minimum around the top 25 hw if they tried) makes usyk a fine title challenger

how many guys in the division clearly deserve a shot more? very very few

maybe only clearly white and wilder, and even then whyte already got ktfo by joshua + had more problems with chisora than usyk did. wilder is fighting fury next and aint an option for this one.

[gregregegg]

Hunter, breidas, gassiev, Glowacki and huck all could of been top 20 heavies at the time usyk beat them, most of them by a fair few places.

[candyslim]

@Maggie: Was your omission of Bellew deliberate? Also if you're going to cite Hunter perhaps we could add Gassiev. I think Usyk is another extremely creditable defence for Anthony Joshua and definitely not a challenger that has a poor chance of winning.

@Wales: I don't believe the arbitration decision prevented Fury from proceeding with the unification. It was either Fury's decision or Arum's. Whether Fury will turn his attention to Joshua once he's got Wilder out the way is the big question. I'd like to think so.

As for Wilder, I don't think what he wants ever enters the equation, i don't think he's ever truly believed he can beat Joshua and he's happy to go along with what Finkel decides is an acceptable or unacceptable opponent. Even if he was determined to fight AJ I don't believe he would be allowed to do so, at least until Finkel and Haymon have wrung every last dollar of earning potential out of him. Then maybe they'll throw him in with Joshua and cash in their chips.

[Bandog]

@Maggie: Was your omission of Bellew deliberate? Also if you're going to cite Hunter perhaps we could add Gassiev. I think Usyk is another extremely creditable defence for Anthony Joshua and definitely not a challenger that has a poor chance of winning.

@Wales: I don't believe the arbitration decision prevented Fury from proceeding with the unification. It was either Fury's decision or Arum's. Whether Fury will turn his attention to Joshua once he's got Wilder out the way is the big question. I'd like to think so.

As for Wilder, I don't think what he wants ever enters the equation, i don't think he's ever truly believed he can beat Joshua and he's happy to go along with what Finkel decides is an acceptable or unacceptable opponent. Even if he was determined to fight AJ I don't believe he would be allowed to do so, at least until Finkel and Haymon have wrung every last dollar of earning potential out of him. Then maybe they'll throw him in with Joshua and cash in their chips.

Apparently you didn't see AJ Get KO'd by a much shorter, fat tubby guy? Wilder vs AJ is truly a 50-50 fight. I also think Ortiz has a legitimate chance to beat him. AJ's been exposed.

[margaret thatcher]

ortiz only beats cans these days , ran from aj and a huge payday and then tried to lie about it before getting found out, even his trainer was pissed

shows that you cant believe what comes out of ortiz's mouth, only an utter idiot would

"i fight aj, any place, any time, any money!!'

gets huge offer

'well uh, um. is lowball!'

then goes silent when his own team admit how stupid it was to turn it down, and that it was huge money

[KiwiRider]

I don't think Fury does beat him and what's more I think Fury knows it.

That is so far from the vibe I get, I would almost surmise you are trolling Slim?

[Finkel]

the people who keep bringing up the count are just butthurt that fury beat it and then pounded his arse in the rematch

Please English people not vote, i said ................. thank you

You said they could vote if they weren't a scumbag, there again I didn't think that in your eyes it was possible for anyone to be English and still qualify for that exemption.

Please do not anyone confuse my bringing up the Jack Reiss handling of round 12 as any kind of belly-aching. As far as I'm concerned he told them how he would handle certain situations before the fight began and he acted accordingly. I'm also well aware that a count of ten ends when the referee counts ten not when a fighter has been on the canvas for ten seconds.

If that's not clear enough I make no criticism of Jack Reiss however there is no denying that for every Jack Reiss there are other referees who would not have bothered to count. That's just a fact.

If it had been such a referee Wilder would still be WBC champion and there would have been no second fight never mind a third. I wonder what Fury would be doing now. He wouldn't be WBC champion, he wouldn't be undefeated, and he wouldn't be spoken about as the best heavyweight in the world. I say that but there's a very good chance that by now he would have had the opportunity to challenge Joshua as it would still be a big fight in the UK and Joshua has no fear of him now, he certainly wouldn't fear a Fury who had been waived off as a TKO victim by a referee who doesn't believe in Lazarus.

And what of Wilder? Well having beaten Fury he would ironically be free of any complaints about cherry picking (for quite a while I imagine) and by how he'd probably hold a knockout win over Adam Kownacki and be lined up to fight Charles Martin all the while telling any dumbass who will listen to him that Joshua is scared to fight him, conveniently forgetting it is public knowledge that he has ducked every offer team Joshua have made to him including one for 120 million dollars. He probably thinks there are still people stupid enough to believe him even now. What's even more depressing... he'd be right.

The draw was probably the best possible outcome for Fury in regards to how he is regarded by many now.

If Fury had lost to Wilder, he would probably also then have a second lost to Wallin on a cuts stoppage. Which I think was more controversial than the Jack Reiss count. He clearly was only allowed to continue because the Wilder rematch was on the horizon and all the potential money at stake.

If Fury had beaten Wilder, it's likely he has to fight him again in an immediate rematch. And even if he won again, it would have resembled fight 1 rather than the dominant performance that we got to see. With Wilder potentially taking a further loss to Ortiz, as that was definitely waved off too soon because like the Wallin fight, they weren't going to let Ortiz derail the rematch.

Fury is currently held in high regard, due to the Klitschko and Wilder 2. But that Wilder 2 win was probably more important for how he is now seen as the potential number 1.

[margaret thatcher]

that's a good point

hey bandog my man, should fury have been stopped on that absolutely nasty cut vs wallin too?

[Finkel]

Mandatories do not equate to being the best possible challengers.

cs: If that's true you can only blame the governing bodies. They can make Joshua fight any heavyweight in the world. I think it's only Sulaiman who is answerable to a third party in terms of who he can nominate and when the mandatory gets called.

There's not a single person that Anthony Joshua has fought other than Vladimir Klitschko that is in the same category as Wilder or Fury.

cs: That's hardly Joshua's fault. He can't force them to fight him, and if his three belts aren't incentive enough, what is he supposed to do? He has fought everyone who matters, who has agreed to face him. I don't think it will be long before at least one of Joyce, Hrgovic, Yoka will share the ring with him and still Wilder's best win will be a faded Luis Ortiz.

To be fair though, Wilder never fought anyone who was in the same category as Joshua prior to his fight with Fury. To be fair though, with the exception of Vladimir Klitschko, Fury never fought anyone in the category of Joshua.

cs: Prior to getting annihilated by Fury, Wilder has only beaten Ortiz and arguably Stiverne, who are on a similar level to Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, Pulev, Ruiz, did I miss anyone? Take away Klitschko and Wilder (extremely impressive, don't get me wrong) then Fury's best wins are probably Chisora, Hammer and Cunningham.

Someone may try to say Usyk is in that same category strictly because he was the undisputed cruiserweight champion, and has amazing skills--- but I think anyone who is really objective will point out that he's not as effective as a heavyweight as he was as a cruiserweight.

cs: He hasn't shown much so far at heavyweight but many would regard him as number four ahead of Dillian Whyte. Apart from each other, how many times have Wilder or Fury fought an opponent who is inside the top 10? Klitschko, Ortiz and Stiverne I make it. That's a combined total of three unless I've forgotten anyone.

I don't know of anyone who was really all that impressed with that fight with the over the hill Dereck Chisora, unless they are easily impressed.

cs: I guess it confirms he can stay afloat among the heavyweights, not that he can necessarily impact the pinnacle of the division.

If I was a world class heavyweight champion I would have no qualms facing mandatories either especially when you know they are quite a few rungs beneath you in terms of skills or quality.

cs: That's what separates a real champion from a fake. Mandatories should be the best possible opponents but sometimes politics gets in the way. I don't think you can complain too loudly about Whyte, Pulev, Usyk, and probably Hrgovic though, can you?

If anyone was seemingly unwilling to fight the best it has to be Wilder, because the only reason why he took on Fury in the first place was because he honestly believed him to be done as a heavyweight--- so he took far less money, in the hopes of getting the lineal championship, rather than the big money fight with Joshua to unify the titles.

cs: Congratulations Hank. Finally a cousin across the pond who recognizes that taking on Fury for the first time wasn't intended to be a 50/50 showdown between rival champions. Fury was seen as a busted flush, another easy kill only this one with a name who would add stardust to Deontay's pitiful resumé. It was never meant to be that difficult.

Of course the two fights with Fury showed everybody that Wilder clearly is the third best in the world, and when Joshua lost Andy Ruiz it showed the world that Tyson Fury had to be the best in the world because it is very difficult to imagine Fury losing to Snickers. Yes, Joshua avenged his loss but it was one of the most lackluster wins I have ever seen.

cs: Wilder is clearly no better than third in the world but I don't believe that even the pre-beatdown Wilder beats Joyce or Hrgovic and for me the jury is out on Whyte, Usyk, Ruiz, Parker and previously Povetkin or Pulev of a couple of years ago. As for being very difficult to imagine Fury losing to Ruiz, I agree. Most people felt the same way about Joshua. To me it's a classic styles make fights. Fury would beat Ruiz quite easily. Joshua will always struggle with Ruiz, and for me Joshua knocks out Fury. Of course my face may not always remain devoid of egg

My comments above preceded cs:

I am going to throw this out there, that whilst the Povetkin that Joshua beat was not in the same category as Fury and Klitschko. He was most definitely the level of a Wilder.

Povetkin is an excellent name on Joshua's resume. Olympic gold medalist whose only previous loss was to a prime Klitschko. He was seen as the natural successor, unfortunately he couldn't overcome Prime Octopus. Povetkin will likely be in the argument as the best heavyweight who never won the title. And let's face it many were picking Povetkin as the clear favourite over Wilder when the fight in Russia was about to happen.

Is Wilder better than than the version that Whyte beat? Yes, of course. But he likely loses to the version that Joshua faced. Heck the out of shape Fury probably loses too.

[margaret thatcher]

2016, full ped'd up pov was a beast

he makes a good argument for peds being totally legally, the man was electriyfing to watch

[Finkel]

One man's PED another man's TUE

But it's funny how Wilder wouldn't face PED cheat Povetkin (the courts disagreed), but had no qualms about fighting Ortiz twice. I wonder why...

[candyslim]

@Maggie: Was your omission of Bellew deliberate? Also if you're going to cite Hunter perhaps we could add Gassiev. I think Usyk is another extremely creditable defence for Anthony Joshua and definitely not a challenger that has a poor chance of winning.

@Wales: I don't believe the arbitration decision prevented Fury from proceeding with the unification. It was either Fury's decision or Arum's. Whether Fury will turn his attention to Joshua once he's got Wilder out the way is the big question. I'd like to think so.

As for Wilder, I don't think what he wants ever enters the equation, i don't think he's ever truly believed he can beat Joshua and he's happy to go along with what Finkel decides is an acceptable or unacceptable opponent. Even if he was determined to fight AJ I don't believe he would be allowed to do so, at least until Finkel and Haymon have wrung every last dollar of earning potential out of him. Then maybe they'll throw him in with Joshua and cash in their chips.

Apparently you didn't see AJ Get KO'd by a much shorter, fat tubby guy? Wilder vs AJ is truly a 50-50 fight. I also think Ortiz has a legitimate chance to beat him. AJ's been exposed.

I imagine you must think the greatest heavyweight champion of all time was Rocky Marciano. He never faced anyone elite in their prime and was careful in his choice of opponents - a bit like your hero, except DW's team made a very bad miscalculation.

No Rocky stayed undefeated unlike those shitty champs who got exposed like Louis, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Klitschko, Joshua and umpteen others.

[candyslim]

I don't think Fury does beat him and what's more I think Fury knows it.

That is so far from the vibe I get, I would almost surmise you are trolling Slim?

No Kiwi, whatever else I might be (don't all shout at once) I'm no troll. Vibes is vibes but I'm told that US Law wouldn't have allowed the arbitration to prevent the unification going ahead on the grounds of it causing undue financial hardship i.e. loss of huge earnings to Fury and Joshua.

Fury chose Wilder instead of Joshua and not for the first time. Compare the reaction of Joshua and Fury when the unification got called off. Fury looked like a weight had been lifted from his chest whereas Joshua was practically spitting feathers.

Now maybe Fury was determined to punch the crap out of Wilder rather than pay him any money (if that was even necessary) and then turn his attention back to AJ, or maybe he saw it as an opportunity to give AJ a swerve.

What you think depends on how you feel about Fury but what is not is not in doubt is what Joshua thought of it. That was the basis of my comment but I fully accept I could be wrong.

[candyslim]

@Finkel:

That's an interesting point about the controversy surrounding the cut eye. I'm sure Fury was given every chance because of what was at stake in the rematch with Wilder.

I doubt Wallin was too upset. Instead of being vilified for a flukey win, he has boosted his profile and established a reputation as a boxer of decent quality and one who was perhaps the victim of circumstance.

[candyslim]

I am going to throw this out there, that whilst the Povetkin that Joshua beat was not in the same category as Fury and Klitschko. He was most definitely the level of a Wilder.

cs: The only thing I'd question is your 'most definitely'. We can't know that but I do think you're right even though Joshua didn't fight a prime Povetkin. As a Joshua fan I think that might be just as well

Povetkin is an excellent name on Joshua's resume. Olympic gold medalist whose only previous loss was to a prime Klitschko. He was seen as the natural successor, unfortunately he couldn't overcome Prime Octopus. Povetkin will likely be in the argument as the best heavyweight who never won the title. And let's face it many were picking Povetkin as the clear favourite over Wilder when the fight in Russia was about to happen.

cs: The only thing I'd take issue with is your phrase 'about to happen'. The fight was called off exactly one week before it was due to take place. Of course Wilder was in Moscow getting acclimated, holding press conferences, promoting the fight, right? Wrong. Wilder didn't set foot in Moscow. When I wonder was his flight to Moscow booked for? Did he have a flight booked? How about accommodation? I don't believe there was any intention to fly to Russia. Wilder was in Sheffield, England no doubt waiting to be notified that the fight was off and he could fly home. It beggars belief that people could be so gullible as to think that Haymon/ Finkel would allow their protege to fight one of the most formidable fighters in the world in his own backyard where officials are likely to do him no favours at all and he may not even get a fair crack. Wilders handlers wouldn't let him fight Dillian Whyte in London how is he going to be allowed to be thrown to the bear in Moscow FFS??? I mean Haymon/ Finkel have been so reckless with him risking him against a succession of killers: Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka and Arreola. A genuine murderers' row that is! People are so naive. I'm not specifically having a pop at you Finkel, I don't know what your thoughts are on the subject and you generally seem pretty switched on.

Is Wilder better than than the version that Whyte beat? Yes, of course. But he likely loses to the version that Joshua faced. Heck the out of shape Fury probably loses too.

cs: Yes of course, very likely, genuinely not sure ... in that order.

My comments above preceded cs:

[KiwiRider]

I don't think Fury does beat him and what's more I think Fury knows it.

That is so far from the vibe I get, I would almost surmise you are trolling Slim?

No Kiwi, whatever else I might be (don't all shout at once) I'm no troll. Vibes is vibes but I'm told that US Law wouldn't have allowed the arbitration to prevent the unification going ahead on the grounds of it causing undue financial hardship i.e. loss of huge earnings to Fury and Joshua.

Fury chose Wilder instead of Joshua and not for the first time. Compare the reaction of Joshua and Fury when the unification got called off. Fury looked like a weight had been lifted from his chest whereas Joshua was practically spitting feathers.

Now maybe Fury was determined to punch the crap out of Wilder rather than pay him any money (if that was even necessary) and then turn his attention back to AJ, or maybe he saw it as an opportunity to give AJ a swerve.

What you think depends on how you feel about Fury but what is not is not in doubt is what Joshua thought of it. That was the basis of my comment but I fully accept I could be wrong.

Righto Slim
Gotcha.
And I get where your coming from, and appreciate the time spent putting it down.
Your initial post was so brief, and seemed a little inflammatory given how some of us can be about who we like and don't is all.
Personally I don't like or dislike Fury.
I dislike Wilder only because of holding that belt to ransome for so long. Other than that I'm cool

[Finkel]

@Finkel:

That's an interesting point about the controversy surrounding the cut eye. I'm sure Fury was given every chance because of what was at stake in the rematch with Wilder.

I doubt Wallin was too upset. Instead of being vilified for a flukey win, he has boosted his profile and established a reputation as a boxer of decent quality and one who was perhaps the victim of circumstance.

Well, the problem with that is if Wallin had won, he would have been catapulted into position for the big fights. By losing he became 'one to avoid.' It will be very interesting to see who the PBC are willing to match him with, it's been 6 months since the Breazeale fight. Most of the PBC roster are on Wilder's resume, each one he beats, makes Wilder look worse and makes Fury look better.

The PBC have the same issue with matching Ortiz (Wilder) against Ruiz Jr. (Joshua), which I called as soon as rumours of that fight started, in that they would never be matched until Fury v Wilder was settled. Before Fury v Wilder 2, it was 'we need a tune up', then each time Fury v Wilder 3 was postponed like clockwork new excuses came up to delay Ortiz v Ruiz Jr.

I honestly don't know why any heavyweight with ambition would sign to the PBC, just look at what they did with Helenius after he upset Kownacki.

The PBC fans will rant and rave about Whyte v Povetkin 2, but the above is far more egregious. They will call Whyte a bodyguard for Joshua based on hearsay their own fan channels create, whilst ignoring that the whole PBC heavyweight roster is there to support Wilder. But I digress...

I am going to throw this out there, that whilst the Povetkin that Joshua beat was not in the same category as Fury and Klitschko. He was most definitely the level of a Wilder.

cs: The only thing I'd question is your 'most definitely'. We can't know that but I do think you're right even though Joshua didn't fight a prime Povetkin. As a Joshua fan I think that might be just as well

Povetkin is an excellent name on Joshua's resume. Olympic gold medalist whose only previous loss was to a prime Klitschko. He was seen as the natural successor, unfortunately he couldn't overcome Prime Octopus. Povetkin will likely be in the argument as the best heavyweight who never won the title. And let's face it many were picking Povetkin as the clear favourite over Wilder when the fight in Russia was about to happen.

cs: The only thing I'd take issue with is your phrase 'about to happen'. The fight was called off exactly one week before it was due to take place. Of course Wilder was in Moscow getting acclimated, holding press conferences, promoting the fight, right? Wrong. Wilder didn't set foot in Moscow. When I wonder was his flight to Moscow booked for? Did he have a flight booked? How about accommodation? I don't believe there was any intention to fly to Russia. Wilder was in Sheffield, England no doubt waiting to be notified that the fight was off and he could fly home. It beggars belief that people could be so gullible as to think that Haymon/ Finkel would allow their protege to fight one of the most formidable fighters in the world in his own backyard where officials are likely to do him no favours at all and he may not even get a fair crack. Wilders handlers wouldn't let him fight Dillian Whyte in London how is he going to be allowed to be thrown to the bear in Moscow FFS??? I mean Haymon/ Finkel have been so reckless with him risking him against a succession of killers: Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka and Arreola. A genuine murderers' row that is! People are so naive. I'm not specifically having a pop at you Finkel, I don't know what your thoughts are on the subject and you generally seem pretty switched on.

Is Wilder better than than the version that Whyte beat? Yes, of course. But he likely loses to the version that Joshua faced. Heck the out of shape Fury probably loses too.

cs: Yes of course, very likely, genuinely not sure ... in that order.

My comments above preceded cs:

Fair comments.
Though I'm not sure why 'about to happen' has triggered that response. Yeah, I was aware of the situation, and like you, felt it was extremely suspicious how quickly they abandoned that fight. The fall out after the fact, has personally convinced me, like you, that they never intended to go ahead with it (and the WBC were willing supporters of the PBC yet again). Though one thing I would say, the time different between Moscow and London being only 2 hours, I don't really have an issue with Wilder preparing for the fight in the U.K.. But the simple fact that he has fought Ortiz twice now and never attempted to put things right with Povetkin speaks volumes over what their real intentions were, if Wilder's track record of opponents wasn't already clear enough.
All that being said, it doesn't really play into the assessment of the then potential match-up between Wilder v Povetkin.

[Finkel]

As not to derail the thread. I voted the top one.

I have followed Fury for quite sometime after being in Manchester for many years. Dare I say, he was my favourite fighter for a while due to this. But honestly, at this stage I pretty much ignore his media output and when and if he gets in the ring I will take an interest. It seems to be only Joshua that I actively part with money to see every time he enters the ring now, due to the level of opposition.

I will say this, if Fury doesn't get his act together he will be talked about as wasted potential and not the ATG he likely should (have) become. This is just the opinion of an outside observer (I obviously don't know the man), but he seems quite happy with the lifestyle and trappings his money has afforded him, at the expense of boxing (fair enough, really). It is what it is.

If and when he fights, I'll watch. But yeah, his career path bores me now. His excuses whether genuine or not, are too regular to take him seriously.

Can he get things back on track? Possibly...
Does he want to? Possibly...

[candyslim]

That is so far from the vibe I get, I would almost surmise you are trolling Slim?

No Kiwi, whatever else I might be (don't all shout at once) I'm no troll. Vibes is vibes but I'm told that US Law wouldn't have allowed the arbitration to prevent the unification going ahead on the grounds of it causing undue financial hardship i.e. loss of huge earnings to Fury and Joshua.

Fury chose Wilder instead of Joshua and not for the first time. Compare the reaction of Joshua and Fury when the unification got called off. Fury looked like a weight had been lifted from his chest whereas Joshua was practically spitting feathers.

Now maybe Fury was determined to punch the crap out of Wilder rather than pay him any money (if that was even necessary) and then turn his attention back to AJ, or maybe he saw it as an opportunity to give AJ a swerve.

What you think depends on how you feel about Fury but what is not is not in doubt is what Joshua thought of it. That was the basis of my comment but I fully accept I could be wrong.

Righto Slim
Gotcha.
And I get where your coming from, and appreciate the time spent putting it down.
Your initial post was so brief, and seemed a little inflammatory given how some of us can be about who we like and don't is all.
Personally I don't like or dislike Fury.
I dislike Wilder only because of holding that belt to ransome for so long. Other than that I'm cool

Yeah I don't normally do short posts do I?

I'm conflicted about Fury. He's a top heavyweight but I don't much care for his personality. He's a slippery bastard and you can never take it that he means anything he says. It's even money he contradicts himself before long anyway.

I like that Joshua is straight-talking and doesn't play mind games or avoid challenges. I do find him irritating sometimes though when he speaks like some kind of self-improvement programme.

I have grown to dislike Wilder intensely. Shame really as I was once really behind him and I've always found his fights extremely entertaining. As you say it's the hostage situation which has alienated him in my eyes. When he retires I will be sorry but mainly for all the great fights he could have been in but wasn't.

[candyslim]

@ Finkel: It's an odd one with the PBC. If you are one of their elite then they will go to great lengths to protect you and to further your career. The rank and file don't get any favours and are quite often left to rot or treated as expendable.

I'd be interested to know whether Luis Ortiz has any regrets about hitching himself to their waggon? Probably not on reflection. He shows no sign of being ambitious.

Sorry about the triggered response but I used to get dog's abuse on here for having the temerity to suggest there might have been anything untoward about the collapse of the Povetkin fight. I've been quiet about it for sometime and I guess I was curious to see if resurrecting my comments would elicit the same kind of outraged reaction. Seems not.

[Boxtune]

Fury is the most inactive champion is last 3 Decades .... 20 years from now when people look at his record, apart from wining close decision with klitchko and No rematch, He has beaten Nobody, because even he beats wilder again, he has just beaten opponents that he beaten on last fight, it won't do much for his career, and if he loses, history will forget him and no chance of Hall of Fame .

[Finkel]

@ Finkel: It's an odd one with the PBC. If you are one of their elite then they will go to great lengths to protect you and to further your career. The rank and file don't get any favours and are quite often left to rot or treated as expendable.

I'd be interested to know whether Luis Ortiz has any regrets about hitching himself to their waggon? Probably not on reflection. He shows no sign of being ambitious.

Sorry about the triggered response but I used to get dog's abuse on here for having the temerity to suggest there might have been anything untoward about the collapse of the Povetkin fight. I've been quiet about it for sometime and I guess I was curious to see if resurrecting my comments would elicit the same kind of outraged reaction. Seems not.

Haha it's all good. Though I would say whilst I agree with you, doesn't necessarily mean that we are right.

[Enlightened-One]

I’d be interested to know whether Luis Ortiz has any regrets about hitching himself to their waggon? Probably not on reflection. He shows no sign of being ambitious.

Luis Ortiz delivered deeply unimpressive performances against very weak opposition during his brief stint with Matchroom.

Sky Sports went to great, almost preposterous, lengths to promote the fearsome ‘King Kong’, but their efforts to market him were undermined by Ortiz’s performances against Dave Allen and Malik Scott.

I really think Eddie Hearn and Adam Smith wanted to offload him after those bouts, because those two fights exposed the Cuban as being a hype job.

In terms of the PBC, they had nothing to do with Luis Ortiz’s team rejecting the Anthony Joshua fight.

The Cuban’s manager, Jay Jiminez, blames Dade Promotions for that debacle.

Also, the PBC allowed Luis Ortiz to challenge for Wilder’s title twice without even earning those opportunities.

Ortiz wouldn’t have been gifted those title shots if he was aligned with DAZN or ESPN.

Think about the amount of money Luis Ortiz has earned, his reputation and hype, as well as the title opportunities he’s received over the last six years, in the context of the calibre of opposition he’s beaten since his 2015 victory over Bryant Jennings and the failed drug tests…. and tell me he hasn’t been blessed?

It’s actually bizarre if you think about it!

And come to think of it, I'd be interested to know whether the PBC has any regrets about hitching Luis Ortiz to their waggon?

That’s the question we all should be asking.

[candyslim]

Fury is the most inactive champion is last 3 Decades .... 20 years from now when people look at his record, apart from wining close decision with klitchko and No rematch, He has beaten Nobody, because even he beats wilder again, he has just beaten opponents that he beaten on last fight, it won't do much for his career, and if he loses, history will forget him and no chance of Hall of Fame .

You may find some people will look more kindly on his inactivity perhaps even put that down to extenuating circumstances such as mental health, a worldwide pandemic, you know, insignificant and trivial excuses like those.

[candyslim]

@ Finkel: It's an odd one with the PBC. If you are one of their elite then they will go to great lengths to protect you and to further your career. The rank and file don't get any favours and are quite often left to rot or treated as expendable.

I'd be interested to know whether Luis Ortiz has any regrets about hitching himself to their waggon? Probably not on reflection. He shows no sign of being ambitious.

Sorry about the triggered response but I used to get dog's abuse on here for having the temerity to suggest there might have been anything untoward about the collapse of the Povetkin fight. I've been quiet about it for sometime and I guess I was curious to see if resurrecting my comments would elicit the same kind of outraged reaction. Seems not.

Haha it's all good. Though I would say whilst I agree with you, doesn't necessarily mean that we are right.

You and I could never both be wrong Finkel. I mean consider the odds !