candyslim wrote: ↑02 Sep 2021, 08:35I’d be interested to know whether Luis Ortiz has any regrets about hitching himself to their waggon? Probably not on reflection. He shows no sign of being ambitious.
Luis Ortiz delivered deeply unimpressive performances against very weak opposition during his brief stint with Matchroom.
Sky Sports went to great, almost preposterous, lengths to promote the fearsome ‘King Kong’, but their efforts to market him were undermined by Ortiz’s performances against Dave Allen and Malik Scott.
I really think Eddie Hearn and Adam Smith wanted to offload him after those bouts, because those two fights exposed the Cuban as being a hype job.
In terms of the PBC, they had nothing to do with Luis Ortiz’s team rejecting the Anthony Joshua fight.
The Cuban’s manager, Jay Jiminez, blames Dade Promotions for that debacle.
Also, the PBC allowed Luis Ortiz to challenge for Wilder’s title twice without even earning those opportunities.
Ortiz wouldn’t have been gifted those title shots if he was aligned with DAZN or ESPN.
Think about the amount of money Luis Ortiz has earned, his reputation and hype, as well as the title opportunities he’s received over the last six years, in the context of the calibre of opposition he’s beaten since his 2015 victory over Bryant Jennings and the failed drug tests…. and tell me he hasn’t been blessed?
It’s actually bizarre if you think about it!
And come to think of it, I'd be interested to know whether the PBC has any regrets about hitching Luis Ortiz to their waggon?
That’s the question we all should be asking.
Come on EO get with the programme: Don't you realize that it was all a scheme by the anti-christ (aka Eddie Hearn) to keep Ortiz sufficiently drugged that he couldn't perform properly, and would be discredited, so that Joshua wouldn't have to find any excuses to run away and hide from the big bad bogey man.
I'm sure Haymon is well satisfied with Ortiz. He acquitted himself well twice, giving much needed credibility to Wilder without actually having the audacity to beat him, now that would have been downright ungrateful, not to say extremely rude.
Also he demonstrated his blind dumb-loyalty by turning down 7 million to get spanked by Joshua and instead took a fraction of that to get spanked by Wilder. I'd imagine he's a favoured son.
luiz ortiz has been on a steady bum diet because it's hard to face serious opponents consistently when you have bandog hanging on to your nuts and weighing you down
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑27 Aug 2021, 16:02
Mandatories do not equate to being the best possible challengers. There's not a single person that Anthony Joshua has fought other than Vladimir Klitschko that is in the same category as Wilder or Fury.
To be fair though, Wilder never fought anyone who was in the same category as Joshua prior to his fight with Fury. To be fair though, with the exception of Vladimir Klitschko, Fury never fought anyone in the category of Joshua.
Someone may try to say Usyk is in that same category strictly because he was the undisputed cruiserweight champion, and has amazing skills--- but I think anyone who is really objective will point out that he's not as effective as a heavyweight as he was as a cruiserweight.
I don't know of anyone who was really all that impressed with that fight with the over the hill Dereck Chisora, unless they are easily impressed.
If I was a world class heavyweight champion I would have no qualms facing mandatories either especially when you know they are quite a few rungs beneath you in terms of skills or quality.
If anyone was seemingly unwilling to fight the best it has to be Wilder, because the only reason why he took on Fury in the first place was because he honestly believed him to be done as a heavyweight--- so he took far less money, in the hopes of getting the lineal championship, rather than the big money fight with Joshua to unify the titles.
Of course the two fights with Fury showed everybody that Wilder clearly is the third best in the world, and when Joshua lost Andy Ruiz it showed the world that Tyson Fury had to be the best in the world because it is very difficult to imagine Fury losing to Snickers. Yes, Joshua avenged his loss but it was one of the most lackluster wins I have ever seen.
based on what? Don't see how the Fury fights prove Wilder is better than Joyce, Usyk. etc.
Joyce, in reality is a European level heavyweight. At best a fringe contender. Usyk, maybe a great cruiserweight but from my view he is largely a unproven heavyweight. Again, a fringe contender at best being given a high-ranking.
beating chisora (easier than whyte and parker did) and hunter makes him a legit contender, that's the reality today. he beat cruisers who would be at worst top 25 hws too. briedis beat former top 15 heavy mike perez (and by a wider margin than jennings did) and absolutely ktfo charr worse than any hw did. huck arguably beat pov.
maybe doing the whole luiz ortiz thing and beating danny martz, raz cojanu, and alex flores would be more impressive?
there are very few guys who aj could fight this month who would clearly be better challengers than usyk, who also would easily be one of the best 3 guys fury has beaten and the best or second best for wilder
