Wilder Vs …. ?

[Bandog]

I'd like to see Wilder vs either Ruiz or winner of Whyte vs Wallin. Even loser of that would be good.

and then if wilder wins, wilder-fury 4.

wilder surely wins next time, right?

I have congratulated Fury, admitted he is better, and admitted I was wrong. What more do you want?
Take your sorry trolling ass elsewhere.

[Tony1244]

I'd like to see Wilder vs either Ruiz or winner of Whyte vs Wallin. Even loser of that would be good.

and then if wilder wins, wilder-fury 4.

wilder surely wins next time, right?

I have congratulated Fury, admitted he is better, and admitted I was wrong. What more do you want?
Take your sorry trolling ass elsewhere.

Used to think he was Margaret Thatcher, now apparently believes he's Tyson Fury. What can you do?

[margaret thatcher]

I'd like to see Wilder vs either Ruiz or winner of Whyte vs Wallin. Even loser of that would be good.

and then if wilder wins, wilder-fury 4.

wilder surely wins next time, right?

I have congratulated Fury, admitted he is better, and admitted I was wrong. What more do you want?
Take your sorry trolling ass elsewhere.

[Dylanc]

If Usyk wins the rematch (Which I think he will) then I want to see Wilder vs. Joshua

[Kronkpride]

If Usyk wins the rematch (Which I think he will) then I want to see Wilder vs. Joshua

Dudes need to get some wins after losing consecutive fights.

Wilder getting treed with his eyes welded shut and head bouncing off the canvas like a basketball is not a great way to go into marketing an event like Wilder vs AJ even for no belts.

Same thing with a giant man getting clobbered back to back by a midget man in comparison.

Both dudes are used to making huge coin in big fights...Joshua especially. But you gotta be willing to thrash a couple lower level guys on the cheap in card supporting roles after losing back to backs. I think Wilder especially needs to be seen dropping a couple dudes before getting marketed again in a big fight. Let him support a couple shows on the undercard in the USA and help the sport with a little lift too. Even in a low spot where Wilder is he can amp up a couple smaller fight cards by being there and help himself while helping others too.

What you do is get ready for a low level fight that you will more than likely blow the guys doors off easily and then make it a back to back jack and fight a 2nd time a month later if you do not take any significant damage. Cash 2 quick wins off of basically 1 camp and don't waste time between fights. Then jump back into the bigger fight scene without people having to try and market you on back to back defeats....some even consider Wilder to be 3 in a row.

Here they come....with as combined 5 losses in their last 5 fights. Let's Get Ready To Bumble!

[mcrow24]

I think you have to look at a few top guys he hasn't fought yet.

Joshua
Whyte

Or Maybe one of the up-and-coming guys like Wallin if he beats Whyte. Maybe Joyce or Yoka , but I think they need to beat a top 15 guy before they get a guy on Wilder's level.

[watsupdoc87]

If Wilder wants to keep going then the initial opponent is pretty irrelevant. Just get a KO or 2 over anybody to get going again and then shop for the bigger fight. It would be a mistake to go right into another big fight without dropping back down to optimal weight and knocking a head or 2 off.

Chauncy Welliver would be a great match. The most HW rounds without going down king vs the hardest puncher alive. If Wilder got back to 215 or so and managed to knock Welliver down or out there would be no question that he was back in business as a man to be feared. Knocking Welliver down is humanly impossible. If Wilder accomplished it he would be on the super human plane.

But it could backfire too. I would expect Welliver to take him all 12 rounds easily unless he took a bad cut or injury.

Would be great if you just went back to the Chauncey welliver posts and stayed away from OT forum

[Kronkpride]

If Wilder wants to keep going then the initial opponent is pretty irrelevant. Just get a KO or 2 over anybody to get going again and then shop for the bigger fight. It would be a mistake to go right into another big fight without dropping back down to optimal weight and knocking a head or 2 off.

Chauncy Welliver would be a great match. The most HW rounds without going down king vs the hardest puncher alive. If Wilder got back to 215 or so and managed to knock Welliver down or out there would be no question that he was back in business as a man to be feared. Knocking Welliver down is humanly impossible. If Wilder accomplished it he would be on the super human plane.

But it could backfire too. I would expect Welliver to take him all 12 rounds easily unless he took a bad cut or injury.

Would be great if you just went back to the Chauncey welliver posts and stayed away from OT forum

As a trailer park boxing person I am slumming it quite a bit by showing up there to converse with the bottom of the boxrec barrel. Fair point on that.

As for Welliver and Wilder. We can make a challenge and a deal to energize and revive Wilder's career. I can personally resurect him from the dead.

The challenge....Chauncy Welliver and the reigning #1 Consecutive HW Rounds Without Going Down Streak vs DeOntay Wilder and The Hardest Punch On The Planet Today. 12 rounds for Wilder to try and do the impossible.

Let's be honest. Chauncy is probably not going to spark him or even be able to buzz him either. It is a good bout coming off a brutal KO. Low odds to get sparked again vs the most durable guy there is in the world with a chance to prove he does have history best HW punching power.

Cause the reality of all this is what? Wilder may be able to knock Tyson Fury down quite consistently but Chauncy Welliver is a whole different animal in there. Anything short of Wilder hijacking a Mack Truck and using it as a weapon is not going to put Welliver down. Tyson Fury is quite durable but Welliver is a whole nother league.

The offer......face Welliver so he becomes the 2nd man to face Wilder without being taken out and then I will train him myself to change it so Welliver is the only man who he faced and never took out.

That's right. Kronk vs Kronk. Sugar Hill is not the only protege of the greatest boxing trainer of all times. He is just the most famous one....for now.

I will train Wilder into a more dangerous machine than we have ever seen. The leanest and meanest version of Wilder ever seen. So damn lean and mean that we could clear out 2 divisions at once.

When I am done with Wilder he will be a 205 pound rattle snake with unshakable legs. Back to being a holy terror for all 12 rounds but with even more venom than before.

The best way to fight fire is with fire. Kronk Sugar Hill fire in Tyson Fury can only be bested by Kronk Mark Messer fire in DeOntay Wilder. We could easily hunt Tyson Fury down and put him to sleep once and for all if Wilder accepts my challenge and offer and teams up with me.

[Kronkpride]

Here is the proposed team after Welliver survives 12 rounds against Wilder and then I take over training Wilder. Guiding Welliver to completing all 12 rounds vs Wilder will be my proving that I know what I am doing in big time boxing. Just like I was proven correct when Chauncy Welliver went to #5 WBO and #5 WBC rated Heavyweight in the world.

I will be the main trainer and Welliver will become the main full time sparring partner and measuring rod on the rehabilitation of Wilder camp. Welliver has legendary cardio for a man his size just like Tyson Fury. Wilder will have to consistently be able to outlast Welliver in all the training to get ready for the big time again. Even Welliver at 300 pounds is probably well ahead of Wilder in every form of cardio capability when Wilder is fueling way too much muscle which has been draining him.

Then Joe Hipp can be the 2nd trainer as we unite all USA nations together and the black people. white people and Native Americans all team up to hunt down Fury to put him to sleep. Wilder All Nations Style!

Then I'm going to hire Charlie Zelenoff and Andrew Hartley and a few other guys for a Chase The Chickens rotation. Wilder at 205 pounds has to be grease lightning fast. Dude needs to be able to knock Charlie Z out faster than he can jump through the ropes escaping. He has to be fast enough to consistently catch Charlie Z and the other little guys. We'll keep them all pretty well geared up for safety and make sure we only start with small guys who could only benefit from a little sense being knocked into them.

I got a 300 pound Chauncy Welliver still running up the mountain as this 230+ pound Wilder falls on the side of the road like a big dosser. And he's telling him.....if you can't keep up with me b*tch you are never gonna with Tyson Fury. I got a 150 pound Charlie Zelenoff greasy lightening escape fast who is going to be evading this 230+ pound Wilder way more often than not. And he is telling him.....hey you stupid.....bleep bleep.......if you can't catch me you aint never gonna catch the Gypsy king...fag got. *****Charlie's actual words to him are so bad I have to censor them even on a free and open internet.

That is how you Kronk Mark Messer style train Wilder out of this rut of muscles and over Tyson Fury. Amp up the challenges and motivation of the camp to the extremes until you rebirth a 205 pound greasy fast monster with more snap and volume of punches than he has been throwing in recent years. You gotta heal all the divides of the old to rebirth the new as well. By the end of these transformational Kronk Wilder camps Charlie Zelenoff and DeOntay Wilder will become BFF together and both will also be cured of their slight current mental afflictions under my tutelage.

When you are going to resurrect and heal people in boxing you might as well make it a party and perform many more miracles than one. Just like Jesus said. When 2 make peace with eachother in this one house they will say to the mountain move away and it will move away. Tyson Fury is that mountain and Charlie Zelenoff and DeOntay Wilder are those 2 people. But it is my house during training. And Joe Hipp is THE BOSS when I am not around as my 2nd. Remember those details because what Jesus said was all true. And we are coming after the mountain to make it Move Away.

[keirw]

Can't see Wilder fighting again, he took his previous loss to Fury very badly, I can only imagine the psychological damage last night has caused him.
I've never been his biggest fan, but he has had an entertaining career and made a lot of money.
I just hope he can recover fully and enjoy the fruits of his labour with his family.

Entertaining career?
Your easy pleased.
What about all the years after winning the belt from Stiverene?
No he won't fight Wlad to unify.
No he won't fight Povetkin, just pretend to.
No he won't fight Joshua.
No he won't take a proper mandatory and fight Whyte.
But he will fight fat Fury, and lose 3 times.
It was a protected, poor reign. It only came unstuck when they picked another easy beat who turned out to be quite decent. And then it was over.

I didn't say it was a good reign, but he did provide entertainment.

His record as champion was poor, I agree, but he did give us lots of big knockouts and his fights with Ortiz and Fury were all entertaining for one reason or another.

I was never his biggest fan, but I am trying to give a bit of credit to a man whose career (I believe) has now come to an end.

Get off my back Kiwi

[KiwiRider]

Can't see Wilder fighting again, he took his previous loss to Fury very badly, I can only imagine the psychological damage last night has caused him.
I've never been his biggest fan, but he has had an entertaining career and made a lot of money.
I just hope he can recover fully and enjoy the fruits of his labour with his family.

Entertaining career?
Your easy pleased.
What about all the years after winning the belt from Stiverene?
No he won't fight Wlad to unify.
No he won't fight Povetkin, just pretend to.
No he won't fight Joshua.
No he won't take a proper mandatory and fight Whyte.
But he will fight fat Fury, and lose 3 times.
It was a protected, poor reign. It only came unstuck when they picked another easy beat who turned out to be quite decent. And then it was over.

I didn't say it was a good reign, but he did provide entertainment.

His record as champion was poor, I agree, but he did give us lots of big knockouts and his fights with Ortiz and Fury were all entertaining for one reason or another.

I was never his biggest fan, but I am trying to give a bit of credit to a man whose career (I believe) has now come to an end.

Get off my back Kiwi

[Winter king]

I think he needs a confidence booster. He looked scared vs fury. Joshua can beat him at this state and so can Ruiz if he gets close.

[Giancarlo]

I got a 150 pound Charlie Zelenoff greasy lightening escape fast who is going to be evading this 230+ pound Wilder way more often than not. And he is telling him.....hey you stupid.....bleep bleep.......if you can't catch me you aint never gonna catch the Gypsy king...fag got. *****Charlie's actual words to him are so bad I have to censor them even on a free and open internet.

That is how you Kronk Mark Messer style train Wilder out of this rut of muscles and over Tyson Fury.

Mark, I'm not sure how trying to corner a greased up profanity spewing tragically retarded Charlie Zelenoff is going to help any professional athlete.

Can you ebalorate?

[DrDuke]

Wilder vs Joshua is the most logical fight for both of them, while both aren't champions. Since Joshua will definitely fight Usyk next, where he'll lose, in his next fight Wilder probably gotta gain some confidence after the beatdowns by Fury against a low-level opponent.

However, nothing of this is likely to happen. Both Joshua and Wilder will probably fight some journeymen and fringes next and wait for another shot. Wilder can even retire.

[funso banjo baby]

Wilder should retire

He's taken his licks , he should enjoy the money

[funso banjo baby]

Wilder should retire

He's taken his licks , he should enjoy the money

[Enlightened-One]

Wilder vs Joshua is the most logical fight for both of them, while both aren't champions. Since Joshua will definitely fight Usyk next, where he'll lose, in his next fight Wilder probably gotta gain some confidence after the beatdowns by Fury against a low-level opponent.

However, nothing of this is likely to happen. Both Joshua and Wilder will probably fight some journeymen and fringes next and wait for another shot. Wilder can even retire.

Wilder is going to be out of the ring for a long-time.

And assuming AJ loses the Usyk rematch in March, then we won't see Joshua-Wilder until 2023, with the American on the cusp of turning 38 years of age and also past-his prime.

The fight will sell, but I just don’t see it happening.

[Kronkpride]

I got a 150 pound Charlie Zelenoff greasy lightening escape fast who is going to be evading this 230+ pound Wilder way more often than not. And he is telling him.....hey you stupid.....bleep bleep.......if you can't catch me you aint never gonna catch the Gypsy king...fag got. *****Charlie's actual words to him are so bad I have to censor them even on a free and open internet.

That is how you Kronk Mark Messer style train Wilder out of this rut of muscles and over Tyson Fury.

Mark, I'm not sure how trying to corner a greased up profanity spewing tragically retarded Charlie Zelenoff is going to help any professional athlete.

Can you ebalorate?

Wilder's issue is all size and stamina related and he needs a dedicated team that can be trusted to go the long haul to whip his arse back into the right size and shape.

Welliver and Zelenoff have to be the main guys. Welliver never goes down and you can count on that. Charlie Zelenoff never stops running even if he delays the escape for quick burst and sneak attacks.

What I need is about 8 to 10 Charlie Zelenoff's to help me fix Wilder. I can count on him for everything I need but he makes Wilder's stamina look good. Welliver is the opposite with vastly superior cardio to Wilder and the measuring stick for when Wilder can again be matched with a top guy.

I need Wilder to be pushed non stop and to be on point every second of every day while I repair the damages his terrible trainers and teams have done to him that have crippled his legs the last 2 fights in a row. Charlie Z lurking in the shadows and in the gym will help me keep Wilder on point. Never let your guard down and never underestimate your opponent.

Kronk Mark Messer style training is the only hope for Wilder and for anybody to defeat Tyson Fury and his weaker Kronk Sugar Hill style team. I know what the F I am doing. Wilder, Messer. Hipp, Welliver, Zelenoff and Hartley is a team Sugar Hill and Tyson Fury could never match. Don't question the greatest Kronk style trainer living today.

I hold the Kronk keys to the HW Division. Wilder and the USA need me big time right now. And I'm gonna use Charlie Zelnoff as a Chisel to cut all the BS off of Wilder that has propped up Fury and Sugar Hill's successes these last 2 fights.

[Kronkpride]

Fury vs Wilder 4.....Quad Fest.

Wilder All USA Nations vs Fury The Gypsy's and Sugar "Benedict Arnold" Hill.

You need flavors...lots of them...to help market a 4th fight. Fury and Sugar Hill cannot top my proposed team

Gonna have to go to the UK and takes the Belts back in a stadium or something too. Change the scenery, the cast and the entire plot of Fury getting up and Wilder fading late carrying too much upper body muscle weight. Maybe capture the CW title to come in with on the way as Wilder has to be right there at 205 to rattle snake Fury so he won't get up next time and to carry the volume and snap all 12 rounds. Which can only be done with the legs. Wilder holding CW and HW world titles will be reality if Wilder contacts me for the help he needs.

And also do not underestimate the sway Charlie Z has and what a weapon he is to be used against Tyson Fury. Fury is a self proclaimed FAN of Charlie Zelenoff. This aint no shit like we would even be an eye to eye team with Kronk Sugar Hill Style Fury. They look up to us. This story has always ended with Wilder looking down on Tyson Fury. It aint over until we wake Tyson Fury up and slap a wig and a bra on his phat her arse to sing us a post fight song. There's Only One DeOntay Wilder! One DeOntay Wilder!

Charlie Zelenoff will be an integral part of the call out videos we will have to do to attack Fury as a man and drum up interest in a 4th fight. We're gonna make him the co star to Wilder and promise him a shot at Fury too when he becomes Wilder's left overs. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Charlie Z wants a shot at Fury too and so far he has ducked him all the way. Even admitted to being scared of him. I know what I am doing to strip Tyson Fury of all the physical and mental advantages he has had over Wilder the last 2 fights without a proper Kronk Top Team behind him for the training and fight.

[Kronkpride]

You people out here at Boxrec mostly don't have a Kronk eye for the sport of boxing.

You look at Charlie Zelenoff and you do not see all the successful tactical maneuvers the man does against so many huge guys. Even DeOntay Wilder....before I could train him to protect himself at all times from Charlie got landed on. All most of you people see with Charlie are the failures and embarrassments he has.

Charlie Z uses submariner tactics and for a small man he has landed hundreds of big blows on monster sized men...including Wilder. He got Wilder with the silent ambush mode entering the ring and landed on him. Another skill Charlie brings to the table as proved by this incident is editing talent. He landed on Wilder and sent him flying with a sneak attack. Even then Wilder showed up without proper preparation and instructions from a Kronk eye boxing mind preventing things like that happening for him.

Charlie Z also regularly deploys the Crazy Ivan 180 and switches from retreat back to direct attack. And he lands on guys left and right pulling that. At All Times means At All Times. With Charlie you better be ready for years after a fight cause he comes for his revenge even after defeats and he denies that he even lost.

Wilder was getting too much like Charlie Zelenoff to be real about it. I gotta use Zelenoff to help deprogram him of that stuff. Battling Charlie tactics in the ring and on the run along with the mental warfare he brings to the table with Wilder is perfect training to prepare to smoke Fury out of his spider hole for a 4th fight.

The Kronk eye sees it all. This wouldn't pan out like Chris Byrd. That was a prime example of how not to do it. We will go take something from Usyk right away and take the CW belt in the 1st fight at the weight to show that aint shit to do for a HW with top power. Knock a couple heads off at HW as we make the cut down to CW range. Then go get Fury 4 with the CW strap coming to the stadium ring with us.

You gotta have it all for rehabilitation camps.

[Kronkpride]

The biggest part of getting a 4th fight with no contract is going big.

A lot of people might think 40 and 45 ouncers of beer have no place in a boxing training camp. They are fools though without the Kronk eye.

Charlie Zelenoff and DeOntay Wilder replaying all the Fury knock downs from the first 3 fights while drinking some beers and making Fury call out videos is going to be part of our camp.

We will get Fury's goat so bad that he will give us a voluntary contract for a 4th fight. It also helps that nobody else in the division has a chance to beat Fury. We grab the CW strap while Fury beats the midget CW and then it is on.

We might even be able to use Charlie in the corner so Fury has to think about both guys at the same time. Use Zelenoff for all he is worth to intimidate and mentally decimate Tyson Fury. And with the right Kronk eye boxing mind behind the operation he is worth a hell of a lot.

[Kronkpride]

This is why you unite Wilder and Zelenoff. It is a top notch boxing story everybody in the world is familiar with.

[KiwiRider]

Wilder vs Joshua is the most logical fight for both of them, while both aren't champions. Since Joshua will definitely fight Usyk next, where he'll lose, in his next fight Wilder probably gotta gain some confidence after the beatdowns by Fury against a low-level opponent.

However, nothing of this is likely to happen. Both Joshua and Wilder will probably fight some journeymen and fringes next and wait for another shot. Wilder can even retire.

Wilder is going to be out of the ring for a long-time.

And assuming AJ loses the Usyk rematch in March, then we won't see Joshua-Wilder until 2023, with the American on the cusp of turning 38 years of age and also past-his prime.

The fight will sell, but I just don’t see it happening.

I hate to be negative, but I'm in agreement about Wilder staying out for ages, maybe forever. And Fury probably the same.
With any luck the WBC will offer up the belt to the winner of Whyte/Wallin Vs the winner of AJ/Uysk
I think to finish on a positive note, that would be the best case scenario.

[Kronkpride]

Well the camp location is set. We are going to have to go to LA and haul Wilder out of the Alabama swamp.

Shannon Briggs had been reporting on Zelenoff being arrested for assault when interviewing a porno producing and distributing person but nobody knew who it was on. Now some info slips out that it was assaulting his own parents. 60K bond or something and the assault is on his own sugar daddy Eugene.

Wilder is going to have to pony up the bail money for Charlie so we can get him into camp at the same time he pays me my down payment for rehab services. We will use Charlie right though along the way to make him earn that money back. But we will have to train full time in LA so he can honor his probation terms.

[bobcatbox]

I still wouldn't mind seeing him fight Ruiz if he decides to continue.

We all know he can't beat Fury and Usyk is too skilled for him, but there's still some fun fights for him just below the elite level.

Ruiz is a really intriguing matchup. Former champs. Both guys badly needing the win. Totally different styles but heavily offensive fighters.