Wilder Vs …. ?

[HomicideHenry]

200-0 baby!!!
The man's an animal, he'd do anything for a win. He'd have chewed up and spat out Money Messer if they'd ever have fought. It's just as well that fight never took place.

I expect to have to prove what would happen quite a few times during Wilder Rehab Camp. DeOntay is ready to make fast progress as he has already taken the first steps of recovery. Charlie is going to be a longer process to deprogram. I will have to throw hands with him several times to set him back straight and keep things in order.

Oh wow, look, another video of you talking shit.
How about putting up a video of you actually fighting? No? Why's that? Because you've never actually fought.
It would've been one of Charlie Z's easiest victories and that's saying something.

In defense of Mark....

I think most everybody on the planet willing to throw a punch most likely would win against Charlie Zelenoff. I remember when he first started coming around the boxing forums and everybody got pissed off at Stacy Goodson getting him a sure-fire easy win in his pro debut.

The kid kept talking about having amateur fights ((untrue btw)) and talked so much that we all groaned he was getting a match with someone 1-13-0, because he'd be bragging forever about how good of a boxer he was, etc.

Then the unthinkable happened. The kid choked. He honestly thought all he had to do was land one punch and would get a knockout. Apparently the "750 hook" carried as much power as a girls sleepover slumber party pillow fight. Then he got knocked right through the ropes and essentially all of his ego disappeared and he quit.

Despite all the talk to the contrary anytime a fight was offered to him again he found a way to back out before it could ever be made. He never wanted to really fight ever again, not for real or for keeps anyway.

[The Gratest]

I expect to have to prove what would happen quite a few times during Wilder Rehab Camp. DeOntay is ready to make fast progress as he has already taken the first steps of recovery. Charlie is going to be a longer process to deprogram. I will have to throw hands with him several times to set him back straight and keep things in order.

Oh wow, look, another video of you talking shit.
How about putting up a video of you actually fighting? No? Why's that? Because you've never actually fought.
It would've been one of Charlie Z's easiest victories and that's saying something.

In defense of Mark....

I think most everybody on the planet willing to throw a punch most likely would win against Charlie Zelenoff. I remember when he first started coming around the boxing forums and everybody got pissed off at Stacy Goodson getting him a sure-fire easy win in his pro debut.

The kid kept talking about having amateur fights ((untrue btw)) and talked so much that we all groaned he was getting a match with someone 1-13-0, because he'd be bragging forever about how good of a boxer he was, etc.

Then the unthinkable happened. The kid choked. He honestly thought all he had to do was land one punch and would get a knockout. Apparently the "750 hook" carried as much power as a girls sleepover slumber party pillow fight. Then he got knocked right through the ropes and essentially all of his ego disappeared and he quit.

Despite all the talk to the contrary anytime a fight was offered to him again he found a way to back out before it could ever be made. He never wanted to really fight ever again, not for real or for keeps anyway.

I'm not questioning Charlie Z. There's countless videos of him 'fighting'. I'm questioning Money Messers claims of having an actual fighting record. He has the ability to post countless videos of shit talking and psycho jesus bingo numbers....yet no actual videos of his backyard brawls he's claimed to have had. Just doesn't add up. Have you ever seen him fight Henry?
Whenever i've questioned him about it before he disappears and ignores it, which is very telling.

[Kronkpride]

All you need to know about my record is that I am an undefeated professional.

Charlie trying to get back involved actually is what screwed the last screw into my SOB coffin. I turned pro, made the deal and had a match with the champion Blackie Barnes. Coming off his brutal 19 second KO of Brian Strege.

When DeOntay and I move into Charlie's apartment complex to live and train for Fury 4 DeOntay will be the camera man and commentary for several encounters with Charlie. I will remain undefeated in the UBF as well. Millions will watch me win those matches.

[The Gratest]

All you need to know about my record is that I am an undefeated professional.

Charlie trying to get back involved actually is what screwed the last screw into my SOB coffin. I turned pro, made the deal and had a match with the champion Blackie Barnes. Coming off his brutal 19 second KO of Brian Strege.

When DeOntay and I move into Charlie's apartment complex to live and train for Fury 4 DeOntay will be the camera man and commentary for several encounters with Charlie. I will remain undefeated in the UBF as well. Millions will watch me win those matches.

So you're basically admitting you've never actually had a fight, including the lies about backyard brawls.
Thanks for clearing that up.

[Kronkpride]

We might even talk to a network and get Zelenoff's apartment building wired for 24/7 reality boxing camp TV. We could probably generate more money off the reality series training than Fury/Wilder 4 will bring.

Not until we get a brutal KO of Fury in the 4th fight with the 5th fight again be extremely salable. So for the 4th fight we might as well generate 25 million or so and have the Zelenoff apartment complex wired for full broadcasting of the reality going on there. Show the highlights on TV in a nightly show and sell 24/7 internet passes to access to the live cams.

Every one of you people on here know you would purchase 24/7 internet passes to watch me train DeOntay Wilder back into the HW Champ Of The World at the Zelenoff compound. We will even let Tyson Fury purchase a 24/7 internet pass as when I get Wilder back to doing what he does best Fury cannot stop him even when we show him how we are going to do it.

[The Gratest]

Wilder "So what actual boxing experience do you have?"

Money Messer "I once got a pro license and posted some shit talking videos online"

[Kronkpride]

All you need to know about my record is that I am an undefeated professional.

Charlie trying to get back involved actually is what screwed the last screw into my SOB coffin. I turned pro, made the deal and had a match with the champion Blackie Barnes. Coming off his brutal 19 second KO of Brian Strege.

When DeOntay and I move into Charlie's apartment complex to live and train for Fury 4 DeOntay will be the camera man and commentary for several encounters with Charlie. I will remain undefeated in the UBF as well. Millions will watch me win those matches.

So you're basically admitting you've never actually had a fight, including the lies about backyard brawls.
Thanks for clearing that up.

In my teens and early twenties the best people had at parties was beepers man. If any documentation of what was happening was had it was by disposable cameras. There was no such thing as cell phones and video cameras all over in my rowdy days.

I only turned pro in boxing to fight for Stacy Goodson. Then he had me a match with the Trailer Park Champ. All agreed on. Then Charlie shows back up and Goodson falls again into thinking that a hole might come back there. He tries to switch me to fighting him in 4 months time. Then sometime along the way some things went on and Charlie turned on Goodson and backed out again and he blamed me for it. Then he said he won't give me a match at all. I think he only had 1 or 2 more boxing cards after that and his company was gone anyways. His business died cause he ran me off instead of giving me my championship match. I would have turned the whole promotion around myself after taking over the Trailer Park Championship. Would have put him on the PPV map.

I will still whoop Charlie when we go to camp in LA at his apartment complex. But I aint scared of losing there either. I might have to fight DeOntay there too and we all know I won't win that one. But to be a proper trainer to DeOntay there has to be some things that I will only allow him to do over my dead body. I will have to prove my mettle to him too and take him on at times. You're gonna have to kill me to do that stupid shit mf'r. That is just how it has to be.

[The Gratest]

All you need to know about my record is that I am an undefeated professional.

Charlie trying to get back involved actually is what screwed the last screw into my SOB coffin. I turned pro, made the deal and had a match with the champion Blackie Barnes. Coming off his brutal 19 second KO of Brian Strege.

When DeOntay and I move into Charlie's apartment complex to live and train for Fury 4 DeOntay will be the camera man and commentary for several encounters with Charlie. I will remain undefeated in the UBF as well. Millions will watch me win those matches.

So you're basically admitting you've never actually had a fight, including the lies about backyard brawls.
Thanks for clearing that up.

In my teens and early twenties the best people had at parties was beepers man. If any documentation of what was happening was had it was by disposable cameras. There was no such thing as cell phones and video cameras all over in my rowdy days.

I only turned pro in boxing to fight for Stacy Goodson. Then he had me a match with the Trailer Park Champ. All agreed on. Then Charlie shows back up and Goodson falls again into thinking that a hole might come back there. He tries to switch me to fighting him in 4 months time. Then sometime along the way some things went on and Charlie turned on Goodson and backed out again and he blamed me for it. Then he said he won't give me a match at all. I think he only had 1 or 2 more boxing cards after that and his company was gone anyways. His business died cause he ran me off instead of giving me my championship match. I would have turned the whole promotion around myself after taking over the Trailer Park Championship. Would have put him on the PPV map.

I will still whoop Charlie when we go to camp in LA at his apartment complex. But I aint scared of losing there either. I might have to fight DeOntay there too and we all know I won't win that one. But to be a proper trainer to DeOntay there has to be some things that I will only allow him to do over my dead body. I will have to prove my mettle to him too and take him on at times. You're gonna have to kill me to do that stupid shit mf'r. That is just how it has to be.

Ah, my apologies then, let me rephrase it.

Wilder "So what actual boxing experience do you have then?"

Money Messer "I paid for a pro license, posted some shit talking videos online and back when I was a teen I was like really rowdy and had some tickling matches with my friends at parties"

[oogiebe]

So you're basically admitting you've never actually had a fight, including the lies about backyard brawls.
Thanks for clearing that up.

In my teens and early twenties the best people had at parties was beepers man. If any documentation of what was happening was had it was by disposable cameras. There was no such thing as cell phones and video cameras all over in my rowdy days.

I only turned pro in boxing to fight for Stacy Goodson. Then he had me a match with the Trailer Park Champ. All agreed on. Then Charlie shows back up and Goodson falls again into thinking that a hole might come back there. He tries to switch me to fighting him in 4 months time. Then sometime along the way some things went on and Charlie turned on Goodson and backed out again and he blamed me for it. Then he said he won't give me a match at all. I think he only had 1 or 2 more boxing cards after that and his company was gone anyways. His business died cause he ran me off instead of giving me my championship match. I would have turned the whole promotion around myself after taking over the Trailer Park Championship. Would have put him on the PPV map.

I will still whoop Charlie when we go to camp in LA at his apartment complex. But I aint scared of losing there either. I might have to fight DeOntay there too and we all know I won't win that one. But to be a proper trainer to DeOntay there has to be some things that I will only allow him to do over my dead body. I will have to prove my mettle to him too and take him on at times. You're gonna have to kill me to do that stupid shit mf'r. That is just how it has to be.

Ah, my apologies then, let me rephrase it.

Wilder "So what actual boxing experience do you have then?"

Money Messer "I paid for a pro license, posted some shit talking videos online and back when I was a teen I was like really rowdy and had some tickling matches with my friends at parties"

[Kronkpride]

As long as Wilder's kidneys are beating and my tweezers, rubbing alcohol and western omelet are on the way we are good to go. We can star in the next Sling TV commercial.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/qIvI/sling-slip ... irst-month

[The Gratest]

Best of luck Kronky

[HomicideHenry]

No I've never seen Mark do anything but do videos in his underwear back in the day and hit a coffee can on video. I've heard him claim that he's had backyard boxing matches but I've never seen a single one--- the only person I ever knew online who did such stuff was Brian Strege, and he lost those as well.

I'm not saying he hasn't boxed around with somebody in a backyard before, I'm sure most people have at some point or another--- I must have had 50+ such backyard matches when I was fifteen years old, and did neighborhood "fight clubs" until I was like 18 years old.

I don't have a single picture or video to back up any of that but I do have witnesses to such events. I think the last "fight" I had with anyone was down at the park in Jackson Center, Ohio and that was against some 18 year old kid who was like 230 pounds--- couldn't fight a lick, dropped him on his butt after a one-two, and he said he didn't want to anymore.

But far as I'm concerned that's just playing around. Doesn't mean anything, doesn't warrant anything. Just messing around. Some people act like it's proof of something but it isn't.

Boxing only matters when it's for keeps, in a ring, for everyone to see. I've never seen visual proof of Mark do anything other than being comedic when he was pursuing boxing. Although I will admit that he started off chubby and got a little bit lean overtime so he had to have been doing some training.

[margaret thatcher]

im 4000-0 (4000) in backyard boxing

[Kronkpride]

No I've never seen Mark do anything but do videos in his underwear back in the day and hit a coffee can on video. I've heard him claim that he's had backyard boxing matches but I've never seen a single one--- the only person I ever knew online who did such stuff was Brian Strege, and he lost those as well.

I'm not saying he hasn't boxed around with somebody in a backyard before, I'm sure most people have at some point or another--- I must have had 50+ such backyard matches when I was fifteen years old, and did neighborhood "fight clubs" until I was like 18 years old.

I don't have a single picture or video to back up any of that but I do have witnesses to such events. I think the last "fight" I had with anyone was down at the park in Jackson Center, Ohio and that was against some 18 year old kid who was like 230 pounds--- couldn't fight a lick, dropped him on his butt after a one-two, and he said he didn't want to anymore.

But far as I'm concerned that's just playing around. Doesn't mean anything, doesn't warrant anything. Just messing around. Some people act like it's proof of something but it isn't.

Boxing only matters when it's for keeps, in a ring, for everyone to see. I've never seen visual proof of Mark do anything other than being comedic when he was pursuing boxing. Although I will admit that he started off chubby and got a little bit lean overtime so he had to have been doing some training.

Cmon man. I was coming up pro from nothing. And with a body like mine who wouldn't show it off in bikini underwear? And you know all those coffee cans I ever set up got smashed to shit by my fists easily. I was over the 750 pound hooks.
The only can that ever put me down was when I dabbled in that MMA bullshit. But I was still man enough not to edit the videos when it floored me. I got my arse back up and quit that MMA BS. Like Charlie says...that shit is for fag gots.

[oogiebe]

im 4000-0 (4000) in backyard boxing

all first round KO's. You forgot that.

[Kronkpride]

And do not discredit my other boxing achievements that I have put on display over the years.

Who backed Chauncy Welliver from #300 ranked Boxrec HW to #5 WBO and #5 WBC ranked in the world? Who personally ran his promotional campaigns and created the internet boxing legend that will always be in Chauncy Welliver? Who advised all along that ascent? And I told you all that shit would happen before it did.

Who invented On The Ropes boxing radio and started Jenna J to interviewing all the boxing stars?? I did that shit and I told you all I would before it happened right here. Tyson Fury himself as the current Lineal HW Champion gave interviews to her. I started her at 19 years old all from my mind and told her and all you what would happen if she joined boxing forces with me.

I call more shots that come true in boxing than Tyson Fury does. I have Kronk magic like that. Just like Emanuel I start off day one only making boxing champions without ever getting groomed by another trainer. It just comes natural to us.

Never a single day in my boxing career have I been boring. I know how to pick the winners and how to sell the stories and PPVs. I will do the same thing with DeOntay Wilder as I did with Welliver and Jenna J. I will take him from being counted out by most people and go right back to the top of boxing with him. These are the facts even when among the oh ye of little faith.

[AngryGoon38]

If Usyk wins the rematch (Which I think he will) then I want to see Wilder vs. Joshua

Dudes need to get some wins after losing consecutive fights.

Wilder getting treed with his eyes welded shut and head bouncing off the canvas like a basketball is not a great way to go into marketing an event like Wilder vs AJ even for no belts.

Same thing with a giant man getting clobbered back to back by a midget man in comparison.

Both dudes are used to making huge coin in big fights...Joshua especially. But you gotta be willing to thrash a couple lower level guys on the cheap in card supporting roles after losing back to backs. I think Wilder especially needs to be seen dropping a couple dudes before getting marketed again in a big fight. Let him support a couple shows on the undercard in the USA and help the sport with a little lift too. Even in a low spot where Wilder is he can amp up a couple smaller fight cards by being there and help himself while helping others too.

What you do is get ready for a low level fight that you will more than likely blow the guys doors off easily and then make it a back to back jack and fight a 2nd time a month later if you do not take any significant damage. Cash 2 quick wins off of basically 1 camp and don't waste time between fights. Then jump back into the bigger fight scene without people having to try and market you on back to back defeats....some even consider Wilder to be 3 in a row.

Here they come....with as combined 5 losses in their last 5 fights. Let's Get Ready To Bumble!

I get you're points,but this IS 2021,soon to be 2022.
A Totally Different age/era,in the world of Boxing. It Really IS All about the money. Promoters can always manage to make serious Bank off of the Many Casuals,who have plenty of loot to burn through, for entertainment purposes. With that said,Alls it'd take would be to have Wilder and Joshua talk some Serious Smack at one another, back and forth for a few weeks or so and Wallah, it'd generate Biiig Biiig Bucks. Cause that's modern day Boxing. Just be very good at trash talking and creating drama. Selling the big fight,as they say.

[candyslim]

Ye Gods is he still banging on? Not that I've read any of it. I don't have the stamina. War and Peace or Ulysses were about my limit.

[oogiebe]

Ye Gods is he still banging on? Not that I've read any of it. I don't have the stamina. War and Peace or Ulysses were about my limit.

He's batshit crazy.

[candyslim]

You'll get no argument from me about that.

[margaret thatcher]

thats a bit of an insult to batshit , isnt it

[golden_labrador]

he'll most likely turn his nose up at all those bums, particularly as he's lost his aura of invincibility and wouldn't want the shame of losing against any of them.

He'll want the biggest names he can get, because it still only takes one punch (unless it's against Fury).

He'll know he's only got a few more fights in him, so he'll be going for as much $$$ and glory as possible.

[margaret thatcher]

wilder vs ruiz seems like a fight that could still be a big one for pbc

[HomicideHenry]

wilder vs ruiz seems like a fight that could still be a big one for pbc

I'd love to see it.

When both men had the belts, it was certainly a very intriguing match. I don't see why not. Both men are kind of at a crossroads, somewhat, and the only way I see a surefire shot at the title is if they took on each other.

[Evander]

Makes you think doesn't it.
Wilder has had 45 fights, taking into consideration all the warnings regarding his boxing ability he stayed with relying on his one punch as his last form of defence.
It's a good punch don't get me wrong, but more time invested in other aspects of his style and he wouldn't be taking so many punches in return.