Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - November 6, 2021

[Enlightened-One]

I’ve been watching plenty of YouTube videos of pundits analysing Caleb Plant’s weaknesses.

Cause ya can't make own opinion on that?

He only speaks facts.

Said the person that posts plenty of articles, but rarely reads them.

I recall having plenty of arguments with you, where I’ve cited the content your own articles to support my stance.

It’s as if you only read the headline, but not the details, because I’ve often quoted your posts to undermine your beliefs!

Do you fancy me posting a couple of examples to prove this point?

[gregregegg]

Cause ya can't make own opinion on that?

He only speaks facts.

Said the person that posts plenty of articles, but rarely reads them.

I recall having plenty of arguments with you, where I’ve cited the content your own articles to support my stance.

It’s as if you only read the headline, but not the details, because I’ve often quoted your posts to undermine your beliefs!

Do you fancy me posting a couple of examples to prove this point?

This is Irrefutable. Not as irrefutable as when you quote yourself having made a correct prediction. But still irrefutable.

[The Gratest]

Cause ya can't make own opinion on that?

He only speaks facts.

Said the person that posts plenty of articles, but rarely reads them.

I recall having plenty of arguments with you, where I’ve cited the content your own articles to support my stance.

It’s as if you only read the headline, but not the details, because I’ve often quoted your posts to undermine your beliefs!

Do you fancy me posting a couple of examples to prove this point?

Says the kid who posts videos but's scared to quote from them because they expose him as being wrong.

It's as if you read the headline, but not the details because I quoted the video to undermine your beliefs.

Blah blah blah blah

[Enlightened-One]

I’ve been watching plenty of YouTube videos of pundits analysing Caleb Plant’s weaknesses.

Cause ya can't make own opinion on that?

Here's my post from this particular thread that was submitted to the forum on the 20th May (which was 5½ months ago).

Am I alone in thinking that Caleb Plant is an inferior fighter than Billy Joe Saunders?

The American may slightly bigger than the Brit, but he’s also less experienced and possesses a significantly weaker resume.

Caleb Plant’s entire reputation is reliant on his victories over Caleb Truax and Jose Uzcategui. He’s got a Demetrius Andrade type professional resume, minus Boo Boo’s amateur credentials.

The American is probably going to employ the shoulder roll, keeping his left arm low to bait Canelo (by giving an opening), and then rolling the shoulder to set the Mexican up with a counter right hands whenever Alvarez throws shots the the head. That's what he'll initially try to do, anyway...

However, Canelo’s seen it all before and will easily negate that tactic.

He’ll just use footwork and feinting to prevent Caleb from planting his feet to the canvas, whilst hammering away heavy straights to the chest (in an Errol Spence-esque manner).

Canelo might even employ the same tactic he used against Callum Smith, by targeting heavy blows to Plant’s left bicep to negate his jab.

And if the American feels he has to abandon the shoulder roll, which I’ve seen him do on occasion (as per the Truax fight), then he’ll be wide open for uppercuts and hooks to the body.

I’ll probably be proven wrong about this, but I feel Canelo will have a much easier time against Plant than he did for the Saunders fight.

It’s just that I’ve watched a few Caleb Plant fights and he fails my proverbial eyeball test. For sure, I’m not suggesting he’s “rubbish”, but I don’t think he’s as good as others claim him to be.

Plant is only rated highly by the media, due to a process of elimination (i.e. other fighters retiring, competing in different weight classes, or suffering defeats) rather than merit.

Prediction time: if Plant is negative and tries to survive, he may make it to the latter rounds. But if he’s ambitious and tries to win the fight, then he might get stopped before the sixth. Either way, I’ll be shocked if he manages to win a single round on the scorecards, regardless his approach.

Where's your prediction?

[DrDuke]

I’ve been watching plenty of YouTube videos of pundits analysing Caleb Plant’s weaknesses.

Cause ya can't make own opinion on that?

I’ve already submitted my lengthy prediction several weeks or perhaps a couple of months ago.

Nice attempt at trolling and being unreasonably critical though.

It’s good to see I’m currently living rent free in your head!

I just wondered, if you could make an opinion on that, but you seemed to be offended. Don't be upset, my friend.

[DrDuke]

Where's your prediction?

Canelo by dec.

[Enlightened-One]

Cause ya can't make own opinion on that?

I’ve already submitted my lengthy prediction several weeks or perhaps a couple of months ago.

Nice attempt at trolling and being unreasonably critical though.

It’s good to see I’m currently living rent free in your head!

I just wondered, if you could make an opinion on that, but you seemed to be offended. Don't be upset, my friend.

You don't know the difference between "making a statement" and "asking a question".

But "don't be upset abut that my friend", because I previously didn't know the difference between those two phrases either, until I went to school and started learning English.

By the way, English isn't my first language, so I really do know what you're going through.

[DrDuke]

I’ve already submitted my lengthy prediction several weeks or perhaps a couple of months ago.

Nice attempt at trolling and being unreasonably critical though.

It’s good to see I’m currently living rent free in your head!

I just wondered, if you could make an opinion on that, but you seemed to be offended. Don't be upset, my friend.

You don't know the difference between "making a statement" and "asking a question".

But "don't be upset abut that my friend", because I previously didn't know the difference between those two phrases either, until I went to school and started learning English.

It seems they continue to load you with homework there, since ya still weeping... Poor boi.

[Enlightened-One]

I just wondered, if you could make an opinion on that, but you seemed to be offended. Don't be upset, my friend.

You don't know the difference between "making a statement" and "asking a question".

But "don't be upset abut that my friend", because I previously didn't know the difference between those two phrases either, until I went to school and started learning English.

It seems they continue to load you with homework there, since ya still weeping... Poor boi.

I assume you really mean “poor boy”?

[DrDuke]

You don't know the difference between "making a statement" and "asking a question".

But "don't be upset abut that my friend", because I previously didn't know the difference between those two phrases either, until I went to school and started learning English.

It seems they continue to load you with homework there, since ya still weeping... Poor boi.

I assume you really mean “poor boy”?

Excellent deduction. A+ for today!

[Enlightened-One]

It seems they continue to load you with homework there, since ya still weeping... Poor boi.

I assume you really mean “poor boy”?

Excellent deduction. A+ for today!

OK, well let's try and be grown ups.

What do you think of my prediction and how much does it differ from yours?

Let's discuss boxing for a change.

[DrDuke]

I assume you really mean “poor boy”?

Excellent deduction. A+ for today!

OK, well let's try and be grown ups.

What do you think of my prediction and how much does it differ from yours?

Let's discuss boxing for a change.

I'm more optimistic about Plant than you, although I can't pick him to win as well. I see Plant a perfect anti-Canelo boxer stylistically, by the eye test he looks really good. A swift slickster with decent speed and arsenal. However, it all was against the lesser opposition. So, some questions are to be answered. From what we have now, I guess Plant can give Canelo a fight, even a close one, but with trademark pro-Canelo judging all that stuff can be pointless. I can't see Canelo being stopped, I can't see Plant winning too wide.

[Enlightened-One]

Excellent deduction. A+ for today!

OK, well let's try and be grown ups.

What do you think of my prediction and how much does it differ from yours?

Let's discuss boxing for a change.

I'm more optimistic about Plant than you, although I can't pick him to win as well. I see Plant a perfect anti-Canelo boxer stylistically, by the eye test he looks really good. A swift slickster with decent speed and arsenal. However, it all was against the lesser opposition. So, some questions are to be answered. From what we have now, I guess Plant can give Canelo a fight, even a close one, but with trademark pro-Canelo judging all that stuff can be pointless. I can't see Canelo being stopped, I can't see Plant winning too wide.

Isn't it weird how we argue so much, but our opinions generally don't differ that much?

I can't really disagree with anything you've written.

Even though I stand by the original prediction I made back in May, but I can also appreciate the reason why others would think the same way you do.

[Enlightened-One]

I’ve performed some more research:

• If you placed a £10 bet on Canelo to beat Caleb Plant (via the Matchbook betting website), you’d only make a £0.10 profit.

• If you placed a £10 bet on Caleb Plant to beat Canelo (via the 888sport betting website), you’d be on the receiving end of a £76 return.

Based on the figures cited by Oddschecker, the betting odds for the certainty of Canelo beating Caleb Plant appear to be shortening as we’re approaching the fight-date.

This seems to contradict the trajectory of the trending information conveyed by the most recent set of media predictions, which appear to increasingly support Caleb Plant’s chances of scoring the upset (or at least being competitive).

I’m guessing that people find it easier placing an anonymous a bet on the fighter they believe will make them money, as opposed to taking the risk of being criticised for conveying an incorrect prediction to the media (i.e. forums, websites, YouTube etc.).

[Ruthless-RKO]

[gregregegg]

I’ve performed some more research:

• If you placed a £10 bet on Canelo to beat Caleb Plant (via the Matchbook betting website), you’d only make a £0.10 profit.

• If you placed a £10 bet on Caleb Plant to beat Canelo (via the 888sport betting website), you’d be on the receiving end of a £76 return.

Based on the figures cited by Oddschecker, the betting odds for the certainty of Canelo beating Caleb Plant appear to be shortening as we’re approaching the fight-date.

This seems to contradict the trajectory of the trending information conveyed by the most recent set of media predictions, which appear to increasingly support Caleb Plant’s chances of scoring the upset (or at least being competitive).

I’m guessing that people find it easier placing an anonymous a bet on the fighter they believe will make them money, as opposed to taking the risk of being criticised for conveying an incorrect prediction to the media (i.e. forums, websites, YouTube etc.).

First point is wrong. 10 buck bet, 1 buck profit.

[adislav123]

all i want is fair judging. for once in a long time in a high profile fight...

it's always 'controversial' in the end and as judging per se is subjective in itself there are no definite statistics... but the ratio of 'fair versus biased judging' in high profile bouts would definitely turn out as shocking to say the least.

i repeat. all we want is fair judging.

canelo will do his thing no matter what. no nonsense concentrated stalking behind the high guard whacking in those precise destructive bombs to the midsection.

if he sees that plant can't handle it and either freezes or jumps the bycicle he will up the gear, put together combinations and if the opportunity opens up, go in for the kill.

still in a measured and thoroughly composed but relentless, merciless effort.

plant has to get canelo's respect, take initiative, be first, use his reach, first and foremost with a stiff power jab that he keeps pumping, trying to stop canelo in his tracks and put him out of his rhythm and at least momentarily on the backfoot.

if plant can't outmaneuver him then with quick changes of angles, speed of hand & foot, following up with something that actually gets thru the mexican's tight guard he'll suffer the same fate as canelo's last opponents

easier said than done.

i predict a close, exciting fight if plant 'really' comes to fight and puts all his skills together.

he really has to put it on canelo thru out.

of course that also means danger of getting caught with a bomb thru out.

no risk, no reward.

but to impress the judges for the remote chance to grab the decision he has to take his chances, full on, with both hands.

if plant is overly cautious, tries to stay out of the danger zone, alibi boxing, airjabbing while practically running away, canelo will cruise to a one sided decision with little effort.

or simply walk him down & break him if plant doesn't run fast enough.

may the better man win. again, i just want fair judging.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ruthless-RKO]

Patricia Morse Jarman had Jam James ahead against Butaev.

[Perseus]

all i want is fair judging. for once in a long time in a high profile fight...

it's always 'controversial' in the end and as judging per se is subjective in itself there are no definite statistics... but the ratio of 'fair versus biased judging' in high profile bouts would definitely turn out as shocking to say the least.

i repeat. all we want is fair judging.

canelo will do his thing no matter what. no nonsense concentrated stalking behind the high guard whacking in those precise destructive bombs to the midsection.

if he sees that plant can't handle it and either freezes or jumps the bycicle he will up the gear, put together combinations and if the opportunity opens up, go in for the kill.

still in a measured and thoroughly composed but relentless, merciless effort.

plant has to get canelo's respect, take initiative, be first, use his reach, first and foremost with a stiff power jab that he keeps pumping, trying to stop canelo in his tracks and put him out of his rhythm and at least momentarily on the backfoot.

if plant can't outmaneuver him then with quick changes of angles, speed of hand & foot, following up with something that actually gets thru the mexican's tight guard he'll suffer the same fate as canelo's last opponents

easier said than done.

i predict a close, exciting fight if plant 'really' comes to fight and puts all his skills together.

he really has to put it on canelo thru out.

of course that also means danger of getting caught with a bomb thru out.

no risk, no reward.

but to impress the judges for the remote chance to grab the decision he has to take his chances, full on, with both hands.

if plant is overly cautious, tries to stay out of the danger zone, alibi boxing, airjabbing while practically running away, canelo will cruise to a one sided decision with little effort.

or simply walk him down & break him if plant doesn't run fast enough.

may the better man win. again, i just want fair judging.

By "fair judging" you mean a scorecard that exactly mirrors your card and nothing else.

If you don't like the result, you will be butthurt for life and whine about it at every opportunity.

[KiwiRider]

Patricia Morse Jarman had Jam James ahead against Butaev.

Yes, that was only last month, good to know she is on form and staying relevant

[adislav123]

it's quite simple, by fair judging i mean 'fair judging'. period.

still might be a tad to complicated a thought for a full on retarded, malignant shit biscuit like you!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Patricia Morse Jarman had Jam James ahead against Butaev.

Yes, that was only last month, good to know she is on form and staying relevant

Ye last week to be precise.

Got another gig straight always

[KiwiRider]

Patricia Morse Jarman had Jam James ahead against Butaev.

Yes, that was only last month, good to know she is on form and staying relevant

Ye last week to be precise.

Got another gig straight always

. I wanted to put a smidgen of distance between that and this weekend which in reality is only a week. Not enough time for a rush order at Specsavers

[Enlightened-One]

I’ve performed some more research:

• If you placed a £10 bet on Canelo to beat Caleb Plant (via the Matchbook betting website), you’d only make a £0.10 profit.

• If you placed a £10 bet on Caleb Plant to beat Canelo (via the 888sport betting website), you’d be on the receiving end of a £76 return.

Based on the figures cited by Oddschecker, the betting odds for the certainty of Canelo beating Caleb Plant appear to be shortening as we’re approaching the fight-date.

This seems to contradict the trajectory of the trending information conveyed by the most recent set of media predictions, which appear to increasingly support Caleb Plant’s chances of scoring the upset (or at least being competitive).

I’m guessing that people find it easier placing an anonymous a bet on the fighter they believe will make them money, as opposed to taking the risk of being criticised for conveying an incorrect prediction to the media (i.e. forums, websites, YouTube etc.).

First point is wrong. 10 buck bet, 1 buck profit.

Go to both of these websites and tell me what you see?

Oddschecker citing 1/100 odds from Matchbook. And then click on the Matchbook website link, place a £10 stake and let me know the profit they're citing.
https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/saul ... ant/winner
https://www.matchbook.com/events/boxing ... aleb-plant

I don't know what to say really, because I can only comment on what I've seen(i.e. £10 stake -> £0.10 profit).

Matchbook are giving 1/100 not 1/10 for Canelo to beat Plant.

888sports are citing 1/16, which will provide a £10.62 return (or a £0.62 profit) on a £10 bet for Canelo to beat Plant.

It doesn't matter how you window dress things, but to make a significant profit on Canelo beating Plant, then you have to place a massive bet, because the returns are minimal.