Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - November 6, 2021

[Perseus]

it's quite simple, by fair judging i mean 'fair judging'. period.

still might be a tad to complicated a thought for a full on retarded, malignant shit biscuit like you!

[gregregegg]

I’ve performed some more research:

• If you placed a £10 bet on Canelo to beat Caleb Plant (via the Matchbook betting website), you’d only make a £0.10 profit.

• If you placed a £10 bet on Caleb Plant to beat Canelo (via the 888sport betting website), you’d be on the receiving end of a £76 return.

Based on the figures cited by Oddschecker, the betting odds for the certainty of Canelo beating Caleb Plant appear to be shortening as we’re approaching the fight-date.

This seems to contradict the trajectory of the trending information conveyed by the most recent set of media predictions, which appear to increasingly support Caleb Plant’s chances of scoring the upset (or at least being competitive).

I’m guessing that people find it easier placing an anonymous a bet on the fighter they believe will make them money, as opposed to taking the risk of being criticised for conveying an incorrect prediction to the media (i.e. forums, websites, YouTube etc.).

First point is wrong. 10 buck bet, 1 buck profit.

Go to both of these websites and tell me what you see?

Oddschecker citing 1/100 odds from Matchbook. And then click on the Matchbook website link, place a £10 stake and let me know the profit they're citing.
https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/saul ... ant/winner
https://www.matchbook.com/events/boxing ... aleb-plant

I don't know what to say really, because I can only comment on what I've seen(i.e. £10 stake -> £0.10 profit).

Matchbook are giving 1/100 not 1/10 for Canelo to beat Plant.

888sports are citing 1/16, which will provide a £10.62 return (or a £0.62 profit) on a £10 bet for Canelo to beat Plant.

It doesn't matter how you window dress things, but to make a significant profit on Canelo beating Plant, then you have to place a massive bet, because the returns are minimal.

Well then your source/preferred betting site is wrong because canelo is paying 1/10ish most places. I assume a matchbook error or they are just mental.


Siting an error may technically be telling the truth but the implication that this fight is thattttt wide is misleading intentionally or not.

[DrDuke]

Patricia Morse Jarman had Jam James ahead against Butaev.

Oh my, this doesn't look promising.

[Enlightened-One]

First point is wrong. 10 buck bet, 1 buck profit.

Go to both of these websites and tell me what you see?

Oddschecker citing 1/100 odds from Matchbook. And then click on the Matchbook website link, place a £10 stake and let me know the profit they're citing.
https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/saul ... ant/winner
https://www.matchbook.com/events/boxing ... aleb-plant

I don't know what to say really, because I can only comment on what I've seen(i.e. £10 stake -> £0.10 profit).

Matchbook are giving 1/100 not 1/10 for Canelo to beat Plant.

888sports are citing 1/16, which will provide a £10.62 return (or a £0.62 profit) on a £10 bet for Canelo to beat Plant.

It doesn't matter how you window dress things, but to make a significant profit on Canelo beating Plant, then you have to place a massive bet, because the returns are minimal.

Well then your source/preferred betting site is wrong because canelo is paying 1/10ish most places. I assume a matchbook error or they are just mental.


Siting an error may technically be telling the truth but the implication that this fight is thattttt wide is misleading intentionally or not.

The Oddschecker website lists the betting odds for 23 betting websites, only three of them are quoting 1/10, with the remainder citing shorter odds.

I take your point about Matchbook though, but even then the profit figure from a £10 stake it's citing isn't too dissimilar from 888sport, MansionBET, Vbet, SportNation etc.

We're talking pennies differences.

The odds are too short for my liking.

[gregregegg]

Go to both of these websites and tell me what you see?

Oddschecker citing 1/100 odds from Matchbook. And then click on the Matchbook website link, place a £10 stake and let me know the profit they're citing.
https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/saul ... ant/winner
https://www.matchbook.com/events/boxing ... aleb-plant

I don't know what to say really, because I can only comment on what I've seen(i.e. £10 stake -> £0.10 profit).

Matchbook are giving 1/100 not 1/10 for Canelo to beat Plant.

888sports are citing 1/16, which will provide a £10.62 return (or a £0.62 profit) on a £10 bet for Canelo to beat Plant.

It doesn't matter how you window dress things, but to make a significant profit on Canelo beating Plant, then you have to place a massive bet, because the returns are minimal.

Well then your source/preferred betting site is wrong because canelo is paying 1/10ish most places. I assume a matchbook error or they are just mental.


Siting an error may technically be telling the truth but the implication that this fight is thattttt wide is misleading intentionally or not.

The Oddschecker website lists the betting odds for 23 betting websites, only three of them are quoting 1/10, with the remainder citing shorter odds.

I take your point about Matchbook though, but even then the profit figure from a £10 stake it's citing isn't too dissimilar from 888sport, MansionBET, Vbet, SportNation etc.

We're talking pennies differences.

The odds are too short for my liking.

but yea ok not heaps of 1/10s, mainly 1/12s, which are basicaly the same. But the Point is Matchbook has an intern to fire, out by a factore of 10ish, then not taking bets of plant or the draw.

Odds are short, but about where id expect, Acounting for both sets of odds, its kinda implying that plant has about 1/8 chance of beating canelo, i can agree there.

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Fight Picks: Canelo Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant

THE RING MAGAZINE/RINGTV.COM

TOM GRAY: CANELO TKO 10
“I like Plant; he’s got a lot of tools and he’s a passionate fighter. I just don’t think he has anything that Canelo hasn’t seen before. I foresee him presenting a mobile target early on, but Canelo is so good at threading home counters that Plant is likely to become discouraged when that style doesn’t work for him. When he comes off his toes, Canelo will find the target more often and the damage will start to mount. I think Plant will need saved from himself after a fairly one-sided fight. Canelo is brilliant and he’s only getting better.”

ANSON WAINWRIGHT: CANELO TKO 10
“Plant should pose Canelo with some trouble due to his educated jab, footwork, size and confidence. However, this represents a significant step up for him. Plant isn’t facing a top contender or rival champion, he’s facing pound-for-pound the best in the world. I thought Callum Smith’s size would pose Canelo trouble. It didn’t, he negated it and was much too good for the Brit. So, while I think Plant will have moments, as the fight goes into the second half Canelo will start to walk him backwards more and more and stop the American late. Canelo in 10 rounds.”

LEE GROVES: CANELO TKO 10
“Plant’s best hope is to impose a faster pace than the methodical Alvarez wants and keep him at the end of a busy and accurate jab from start to finish. But Alvarez has a terrific history against tall, rangy fighters like Plant, and while it may take him a few rounds to assess data and to warm up his engine, his heavy hands will eventually get the best of ‘Sweet Hands.’”

MICHAEL WOODS: CANELO TKO
“It’s a nice feeling and it helps build brand buzz when you pile up win after win and get to 20-0, then 21-0, like Caleb Plant did. But when the foes you are beating are not A-grade so much, that way of doing things does you no favors when you get a step-up fight. Canelo is a two-step up fight for Plant, and it will show on November 6. Expect Canelo to be slightly less methodical for as long as he usually is because Plant has pissed him off slightly. That means stoppage for Alvarez, Round 6 or earlier.”

MARTY MULCAHEY: CANELO UD
“Caleb Plant has the toolset to trouble Saul Alvarez early, but like most of Alvarez’s opponents he lacks the firepower to keep Alvarez at bay to prevent being walked down and bullied into submission. Yes, Plant has quality footwork but he won’t win a decision with his feet alone. Alvarez begins to shorten the distance, cutting off the ring, and land hooks to go along with his underrated jab at dramatically higher percentage from the fifth round on. I do think Plant has the wherewithal to go the distance, but he loses on the cards in the 116-112 range.”

MICHAEL MONTERO: CANELO UD
“Skills pay the bills, and experience matters. Plant is taller, longer and has never tasted defeat, but he is yet to face an elite-level fighter. The gap in experience here is immense. It would be a moral victory for Plant to hear the final bell. The Nashville native has been cut before, but as long as his skin holds up against Canelo, I believe he’s got enough moxy to go the distance. I like Canelo wide on points, although it wouldn’t surprise me to see one judge score it way too close.”

NORM FRAUENHEIM: CANELO TKO 10
“Canelo Alvarez’ last two opponents were left battered in punishing exhibitions that ended with each sitting on their stool in surrender. Call it the beginning of a trend, one that figures to continue. Caleb Plant is lot more skilled than an overmatched Avni Yildirim, who quit at the end of three. He’s tougher than Billy Joe Saunders, whose corner threw in the towel after eight. Like Yildirim and Saunders, however, he has no answer for Canelo’s patient, methodical way of breaking down anybody who doesn’t have enough power to make him wary. Once Canelo discovers Plant can’t hurt him, he’ll walk him down, wear him out and leave another challenger on the stool, beaten in a late round.”

RON BORGES: CANELO TKO 9
“Caleb is a nice fellow and a decent professional fighter but he is going to get planted by Canelo Alvarez, who is bigger, stronger, faster, more talented and more resilient. Plant can box and so it is likely it will take a few rounds for Alvarez to wear him down but like the sea constantly slapping into a seawall eventually he will crack the foundation and Plant will succumb. Alvarez by ninth round TKO.”

BOXING INSIDERS

DAVID BENAVIDEZ (TWO-TIME SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLEHOLDER): CANELO TKO
“At first, I thought it was going to be an easy fight for Canelo, but seeing the way Caleb Plant moves, he can probably give Canelo problems in the beginning. Overall, I feel Canelo is a better fighter, and I don’t think Caleb Plant has the punching power to keep him off. I think it’s going to be a good fight for the first couple of rounds but ultimately the experience, the bodyshots and the power of Canelo will take over. I think Canelo will get him out in the ninth or 10th round.”

RAUL MARQUEZ (FORMER WORLD CHAMPION/COMMENTATOR): CANELO TKO
“Plant is a good technician – tall and rangy. His style will give Canelo some problems in the first half of the fight. Canelo needs to invest with a consistent body attack early on. He definitely needs to make the fight. I believe Canelo will close the gap in the later rounds and get the TKO win.”

FELIX STURM (FORMER SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT WORLD CHAMPION): CANELO
“Canelo is the king of boxing, he’s the face of boxing. He’s fought and beat the best of the best. He has big belief in himself and his skills. He has a great team and is always in great shape. It looks like he trains very, very hard every single training. Plant is a great fighter, he has great skills, I like his style because he’s fast, he’s smart, he moves around the opponent. I think his power is underrated; I think he has power because he is fast. It’s a big motivation to fight against the best and he has a chance to become an overnight, worldwide superstar. This was my motivation against Oscar [De La Hoya]. I think it will be an interesting fight. I think the power will be on the side of Canelo; he will pressure Plant, but I believe Plant has a realistic chance to beat him. I would say 60-40 Canelo.”

CAMILLE ESTEPHAN (PROMOTER, EYE OF THE TIGER PROMOTIONS): CANELO KO
“Plant has an excellent jab, is a very good boxer and can move well, but I think, ultimately, Canelo gets on the inside with his quick feet. Canelo has a great boxing IQ. I think he outsmarts Plant for a big win. I think Canelo wins via late knockout.”

KATHY DUVA (PROMOTER, MAIN EVENTS): CANELO TKO 7
“While Plant is a very good young fighter, Canelo is simply on a different level due to his experience. Canelo has learned to be patient and break his opponents down methodically. And I expect he will do the same to Plant, who does not seem to have the punching power that he would need to keep Canelo off of him. Canelo has promised that he will end the fight before Round 8. And because Plant has been taunting him, I expect that Canelo will take his time and extend the punishment. So, I pick Canelo by stoppage in Round 7.”

JOLENE MIZZONE (MATCHMAKER, MAIN EVENTS): CANELO TKO 7
“I think Plant can fight, but he has not fought the competition that Canelo fought – it doesn’t even compare. Canelo is one of the few fighters that go into every fight with a game plan and they will have the right plan to break Plant down. Some people think it is a closer fight than many of us think, but I just don’t see it. Canelo Alvarez by TKO 7.”

ROBERT DIAZ (MATCHMAKER, GOLDEN BOY): CANELO TKO 8
“This is a very important fight for Canelo for historical reasons. Much is always said that he has trouble with boxers and elusive fighters and they mention Floyd [Mayweather] and Lara. What is always forgotten is how long ago that was. Canelo improves in every fight and at this point in his career he is in his prime. You add experience to his prime and you add discipline to that and you have pound-for-pound the best fighter today. There is nothing Caleb brings to the table that Canelo hasn’t seen. He has faced punchers, taller opponents, boxers. Caleb will soon find out how strong Canelo is, how difficult it is to hit him clean and how good he cuts the ring. In the end he doesn’t have the fire power to gain respect. Canelo TKO 8.”

ALEX STEEDMAN (COMMENTATOR): CANELO KO
“Ever since this fight was announced I’ve felt it’s a great match up for Canelo. The angry spat between the pair at the initial presser will only intensify the motivation for Alvarez. Plant has the speed and skills to make Canelo work and think but for me, his feet don’t operate as quickly as his hands or head. That and Plant’s low hand style should present an open target for Canelo at some stage. I’m thinking something along the lines of Canelo versus Khan with Canelo winning spectacularly. In fact, I’m unusually confident about that.”

DAVID LEMIEUX (SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT CONTENDER):
“I think Plant is a good fighter who moves well and has decent punching power but Canelo is in another league. I don’t see a guy like Caleb Plant giving Canelo any kind of difficulty in the ring. Canelo has beaten better opposition than Caleb in the past. Canelo is too strong for Plant. My prediction for this fight is Canelo by KO around the fifth round.”

JOHN SCULLY (TRAINER):
“I really like Plant and love his attitude. He’s putting himself out there and I think he’s going to bring it 100 percent. I wouldn’t even mind seeing him win but if I was a betting man, I would have to go with the favorite. Canelo by a 12-round decision in a good fight.”

WAYNE MCCULLOUGH (FORMER WORLD CHAMPION/ TRAINER): CANELO TKO 10
“Plant will have to stand his ground if he wants to stand a chance of winning against Canelo. He is the bigger of the two, so he’ll need to use his extra height to back Canelo up and hit him with short, hard punches to his head and body, but Canelo will try to force him back. On the other hand, Canelo will have no problem if Plant goes backwards. He will hit Plant’s body hard with left and right hooks and then come over the top with overhand rights to his head. I think Canelo will break down Plant and maybe force a late stoppage around the 10th round.”

TONY TOLJ (MANAGER): CANELO TKO 8
“Firstly, full credit to both fighters. I love seeing the divisions unified from a fan’s perspective. Now down to the business of boxing: Caleb is the final chapter for Canelo in the super middleweight division. With 12 KOs from 21 starts, I believe Plant will be durable, but we will see the levels between a world champion and a pound-for-pound champion. I still find it crazy that Canelo is still only 31 years of age and still getting better and I believe November 6th, you will see him elevate himself to another level. Canelo TKO 8.”

FINAL TALLY: Canelo 20-0

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Cent0089]

Im hyped. NO BOXING NO LIFE !!!

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Press Conference

[lazboy]

Just found out this is not on Dazn ffs. Makes it far more expensive for me in Australia. I’ll still purchase though…they know I will god dammit.

[gregregegg]

Do you think they are nervous about going up against an absolut cracker UFC card? horrible clash.

[Enlightened-One]

"Anthony Dirrell: I Hate Caleb Plant; He Thinks He's The Sh!t And He's Not; He Fought One Guy"

“I hate him,” Dirrell told BS.com.

“I don’t like him. And hate is such a strong word, but yeah, I really hate the guy. I’m dead serious. I just don’t like him. I think he thinks he’s the sh!t, and he’s not. He fought one guy, Uzcetagui, and beat him. And granted, he beat him; I was commentating [for FS1] for that fight. But that’s it. He’s a good boxer. He has speed, with no power. But I think he just need to come back down to reality.”

“I just don’t like him,” Dirrell said.

“I think a lot of people don’t like Caleb. Canelo don’t like him. [David] Benavidez don’t like him. Everybody don’t like him. I mean, is it us or is it him? You’ve gotta ask yourself that anyway, because me and Benavidez is fine. I’m fine with David. I respect Benavidez. He’s a tremendous fighter. He’s a great fighter, a great champion, and he’s not an assh-le, at the end of the day. You know, he’s a real down to earth guy.”

[KiwiRider]

Just found out this is not on Dazn ffs. Makes it far more expensive for me in Australia. I’ll still purchase though…they know I will god dammit.

My Sky guide is showing it an hour or so after the Boxxer tourney. Says 120mins so I've set it to record. I'd be surprised if it actually is the fight, but ya never know.

[brilo33]

always great to see canelo fight , plant deserves his shot slick fighter great hands felt his movement let him down in his last fight back to the ropes to much i like him tho and i am sure he will do his people proud , i think canelo will beat him in 3rds he is just different class if backs to ropes like he did against Truax saul will destroy him, i expect to caleb start bright but once he feels the power he will back off , going big body shot the cimmon kid rd3

[Evander]

Odds have stayed steady
Canelo - 1200
Plant +700
Weigh in tomorrow

[Evander]

Canelo is P4P No 1.
No way he loses to Plant.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Weigh in 15 mins to go

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[Cent0089]

Bringing Iron Mike at weigh in, not bad. Guys im hyped. Actually ive became a fan of Caleb Plant after saw some of his backstory. Rooting for Canelo but hopefully Plant will bring the fight !!! NO BOXING NO LIFE !!!

[Monzon83]

Thought they both looked fantastic on the scales.

Caleb might surprise a few people. he's a slick fighter but I expect Canelo to break him down and stop him late.

[KiwiRider]

Thought they both looked fantastic on the scales.

Caleb might surprise a few people. he's a slick fighter but I expect Canelo to break him down and stop him late.

That is the general consensus. I don't think Plant will have been hit as hard, at least for a few years.
As to when he gets caught, it just depends on how long he can stay sharp.

[Enlightened-One]

Paulie Malignaggi mentioned that Canelo looked “dry” when he spoke to him. His lips were cracked and he said his face was gaunt. He’s obviously not been drinking much fluids.

Canelo looked gigantic a few weeks ago in training camp, so I can only imagine him gaining at least 15lbs by the time he enters the ring against Plant.

The Mexican is going to look like a massively muscular bulldog, or a stocky tank, the next time we see him disrobe.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, I really can’t imagine Canelo competing at 168lbs for much longer. He might have one more bout, but then I think he’ll make the permanent jump to 175lbs to have back-to-back bouts against Bivol and Beterbiev.

Bivol will be a tough fight for Canelo. Beterbiev will be fairly easy. Even though I feel Beterbiev is "better" than Bivol, styles makes fights.

[gregregegg]

What will these guys weight fight night?

Plant is way bigger than i thought, knew he was tall, but 6'1, lean but not crazy skinny, thats a big 168er, id guess he will be 180+.

Canelo i dont know, hard to reference him because he is so chunky. not many 5'8 168ers im paying attention too. looks like he had cut significant weight too.

[lazboy]

I’d love to know their actual ring weights too.

Regardless, Canelo will be the stronger fighter. I also significantly favour him to win this fight and wouldn’t be surprised if he can stop Plant.

[DrDuke]

What will these guys weight fight night?

Plant is way bigger than i thought, knew he was tall, but 6'1, lean but not crazy skinny, thats a big 168er, id guess he will be 180+.

Canelo i dont know, hard to reference him because he is so chunky. not many 5'8 168ers im paying attention too. looks like he had cut significant weight too.

Canelo always seems to cut a lot. Probably the Redhead wil be heavier in the fight.