Why group Kovalev and GGG together? Most agree GGG clearly beat Canelo in the first fight and got robbed, while the second fight was close and could have gone either way.
Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Good chance Kessler would have beaten Canelo too - he would certainly clean up today's SMW division. Froch-Kessler 1 was a close fight that could have gone either way - both great, prime super middleweights.H8Usernames wrote: ↑10 Nov 2021, 07:40 Froch was so shit that he lost to lousy Mikkael Kessler and someone wants to argue that he would have beaten Canelo? Ridiculous.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Imagine Froch’s right hand landing every time Plant’s did.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Just like he beat Calzaghe.jezzamundo wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 19:35Good chance Kessler would have beaten Canelo too - he would certainly clean up today's SMW division. Froch-Kessler 1 was a close fight that could have gone either way - both great, prime super middleweights.H8Usernames wrote: ↑10 Nov 2021, 07:40 Froch was so shit that he lost to lousy Mikkael Kessler and someone wants to argue that he would have beaten Canelo? Ridiculous.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Calzaghe is a top 3 all-time super middleweight who would likely have schooled Canelo worse than he did Kessler.H8Usernames wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 22:30Just like he beat Calzaghe.jezzamundo wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 19:35Good chance Kessler would have beaten Canelo too - he would certainly clean up today's SMW division. Froch-Kessler 1 was a close fight that could have gone either way - both great, prime super middleweights.H8Usernames wrote: ↑10 Nov 2021, 07:40 Froch was so shit that he lost to lousy Mikkael Kessler and someone wants to argue that he would have beaten Canelo? Ridiculous.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
You keep telling yourself that, it's ok.jezzamundo wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 02:12Calzaghe is a top 3 all-time super middleweight who would likely have schooled Canelo worse than he did Kessler.H8Usernames wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 22:30Just like he beat Calzaghe.jezzamundo wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 19:35
Good chance Kessler would have beaten Canelo too - he would certainly clean up today's SMW division. Froch-Kessler 1 was a close fight that could have gone either way - both great, prime super middleweights.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
True. Kessler would beat Badou Jack, Groves, DeGale, Abraham and Bute too.jezzamundo wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 19:35Good chance Kessler would have beaten Canelo too - he would certainly clean up today's SMW division. Froch-Kessler 1 was a close fight that could have gone either way - both great, prime super middleweights.H8Usernames wrote: ↑10 Nov 2021, 07:40 Froch was so shit that he lost to lousy Mikkael Kessler and someone wants to argue that he would have beaten Canelo? Ridiculous.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
jezzamundo wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 02:12Calzaghe is a top 3 all-time super middleweight who would likely have schooled Canelo worse than he did Kessler.H8Usernames wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 22:30Just like he beat Calzaghe.jezzamundo wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 19:35
Good chance Kessler would have beaten Canelo too - he would certainly clean up today's SMW division. Froch-Kessler 1 was a close fight that could have gone either way - both great, prime super middleweights.
Prime Calzaghe, RJJ and Ward would make gingerbread from this version of Canelo.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
And just since I don't think I've seen anyone mention it before, I think BHop would beat Canelo at every weight they've both fought at.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Canelo is a better fighter than kessler and froch. Thats very clear
Maybe they hurt him, but they arent out boxing him
Maybe they hurt him, but they arent out boxing him
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
froch / kessler vs plant, bjs, and smith at smw
what happens?
what happens?
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Nov 2021, 22:52 froch / kessler vs plant, bjs, and smith at smw
what happens?
Bjs might beat kessler. The rest are wins.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Froch and kessler would have hard a tough time with the way danny jacobs fights
Ggg canelo beat wins v kessler
Ggg canelo beat wins v kessler
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
I like froch but but he needed home cooking to beat andre dirrel and a miracle to beat jermain taylor
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
In the words of Mandy Rice-Davies ... "Well he would say that wouldn't he?"
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
In his prime, he wasn't even in Canelo's galaxy. Not even the best fighter around his time/weight, Andre Ward, is close to Canelo's resume. Someone seriously needs to give this guy a clue. His resume is god-awful from a historical perspective. And no, he wouldn't even beat Saunders, let alone Canelo. 100%, Saunders would've cleaned out 168 when Ward moved up and it was mainly Froch and Groves.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Yeah this is a good way to sum it up. I’m as big a fan of the Cobra as anybody, but his wins usually came down to landing a well timed big right hand or getting a good shot in late. The Groves and Taylor fights (his biggest wins) are good examples. He would not be able to land such a shot on Canelo late in the fight.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Let's calm down here.
At 168, Canelo has done nowhere near enough to suggest he would have beaten Froch with ease.
At 168, Canelo has done nowhere near enough to suggest he would have beaten Froch with ease.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
True but let's see how Canelo does vs Bivol, Beterbiev, Joe Smith and Makabu. If he does beat them fair&square then we could assume that Canelo would be competitive vs S6 guys, RJJ or Calzaghe.jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 04:14 Let's calm down here.
At 168, Canelo has done nowhere near enough to suggest he would have beaten Froch with ease.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
It doesn't look to me like he has any intention of fighting Bivol, Beterbiev, or Joe Smith.apollo creed wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 08:20True but let's see how Canelo does vs Bivol, Beterbiev, Joe Smith and Makabu. If he does beat them fair&square then we could assume that Canelo would be competitive vs S6 guys, RJJ or Calzaghe.jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 04:14 Let's calm down here.
At 168, Canelo has done nowhere near enough to suggest he would have beaten Froch with ease.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
..of course there's no way of knowing but I tend to agree with Froch provided Canelo ist clean and venue neutral..
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Jimmy McDonnell, man, I don’t think that’s super fair. Canelo beat every belt holder at 168. Froch had an awesome and fun career but let’s be honest did he beat anybody that you think Canelo couldn’t have handled just as easily?jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 04:14 Let's calm down here.
At 168, Canelo has done nowhere near enough to suggest he would have beaten Froch with ease.
I know we’re comparing apples to oranges here, but I’m not sure Froch could’ve beaten Callum Smith or Billy Joe. Smith would have been a formidable opponent for Froch, and BJS’s style is a really tough matchup for the Cobra.
Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Pascalbobcatbox wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 10:59Jimmy McDonnell, man, I don’t think that’s super fair. Canelo beat every belt holder at 168. Froch had an awesome and fun career but let’s be honest did he beat anybody that you think Canelo couldn’t have handled just as easily?jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 04:14 Let's calm down here.
At 168, Canelo has done nowhere near enough to suggest he would have beaten Froch with ease.
I know we’re comparing apples to oranges here, but I’m not sure Froch could’ve beaten Callum Smith or Billy Joe. Smith would have been a formidable opponent for Froch, and BJS’s style is a really tough matchup for the Cobra.
Taylor
Johnson
Bute
Groves
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
The more styles you face at a given weight, the more problems you encounter.bobcatbox wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 10:59Jimmy McDonnell, man, I don’t think that’s super fair. Canelo beat every belt holder at 168. Froch had an awesome and fun career but let’s be honest did he beat anybody that you think Canelo couldn’t have handled just as easily?jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 04:14 Let's calm down here.
At 168, Canelo has done nowhere near enough to suggest he would have beaten Froch with ease.
I know we’re comparing apples to oranges here, but I’m not sure Froch could’ve beaten Callum Smith or Billy Joe. Smith would have been a formidable opponent for Froch, and BJS’s style is a really tough matchup for the Cobra.
Canelo struggled with GGG, and he wasn't a 168 pound fighter.
I would have fancied Froch to beat Smith and Saunders, Saunders might have been trickier, but he would have been running like a thief all night, - who in hell has Saunders ever beaten at 168?
I think Canelo is being rather overrated at 168, just not enough of a body of work.
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Re: Froch: "In my prime at about 34, 35-years-old against Canelo Alvarez, I think I would have been too much for him."
Taylor would have been a tricky one, at either 160 or 168, people write Taylor off now, but he was a great boxer, and had some very good physical gifts, he was somewhat on the slide, by the time he got to Froch, but he still had great boxing skills.ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 13:04Pascalbobcatbox wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 10:59Jimmy McDonnell, man, I don’t think that’s super fair. Canelo beat every belt holder at 168. Froch had an awesome and fun career but let’s be honest did he beat anybody that you think Canelo couldn’t have handled just as easily?jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Nov 2021, 04:14 Let's calm down here.
At 168, Canelo has done nowhere near enough to suggest he would have beaten Froch with ease.
I know we’re comparing apples to oranges here, but I’m not sure Froch could’ve beaten Callum Smith or Billy Joe. Smith would have been a formidable opponent for Froch, and BJS’s style is a really tough matchup for the Cobra.
Taylor
Johnson
Bute
Groves
Johnson, - too one dimensional, but he'd have given Canelo 12 hard paced rounds for certain, as he was rock hard.
Groves, yeah, never quite sure how to rate groves, had a serious dig, could box, but not sure how great he really was, though he certainly handled Eubank Jr with ease.
Bute, looked a million dollars until Froch spiked his career. Good call.
Pascal, good fighter, and went on to do good things at 175 too, a very aggressive fighter, and Froch went to war with him and won.