Shows you how overrated Loma was.

[ironbeard]

I didn't see Loma in any danger of going down in that fight myself. I would suggest your opinions on this are a little tained as you seem like a pretty rabid Loma hater that can only refer to him as "Lomassiah".

No, I am not a Lomassiah hater. I made the nickname Lomassiah up as a result of the blind allegiance of his rabid fanbase.

Lomassiah was hurt in the 12th round. Teo won the fight with superior tactics and digging deep and winning the 12th round.

You can always go back and watch round 12. This time open your eyes.

I've seen it more than once. He got hit with a good shot but didn't look like he was in any danger of going down.

You keep doing you though , bro.

No, you obviously did NOT see it more than once. Lomassiah got hit by more than one good shot and was close to getting ragdolled. That is what sealed the deal on that fight.

But, you keep believing “Loma beat himself.”

[mcrow24]

No, I am not a Lomassiah hater. I made the nickname Lomassiah up as a result of the blind allegiance of his rabid fanbase.

Lomassiah was hurt in the 12th round. Teo won the fight with superior tactics and digging deep and winning the 12th round.

You can always go back and watch round 12. This time open your eyes.

I've seen it more than once. He got hit with a good shot but didn't look like he was in any danger of going down.

You keep doing you though , bro.

No, you obviously did NOT see it more than once. Lomassiah got hit by more than one good shot and was close to getting ragdolled. That is what sealed the deal on that fight.

But, you keep believing “Loma beat himself.”

Loma beat himself in that he didn't seem to fight the way he usually does and gave Teo too much respect. Teo deserved the win, he outboxed Loma that night but I like Loma's chances in a rematch. That's where I'm at on it. You are free to think differently, IGAF.

[ironbeard]

I've seen it more than once. He got hit with a good shot but didn't look like he was in any danger of going down.

You keep doing you though , bro.

No, you obviously did NOT see it more than once. Lomassiah got hit by more than one good shot and was close to getting ragdolled. That is what sealed the deal on that fight.

But, you keep believing “Loma beat himself.”

Loma beat himself in that he didn't seem to fight the way he usually does and gave Teo too much respect. Teo deserved the win, he outboxed Loma that night but I like Loma's chances in a rematch. That's where I'm at on it. You are free to think differently, IGAF.

Fair enough.

There will not be a rematch of Lomassiah v Teo. Lopez needs to move up. Lomassiah has Commey to deal with. IF he gets by Richard, he has King George to deal with.

I like King George’s chances v Lomassiah. Great fight if it comes to pass.

[mcrow24]

Loma's window is getting tight. He's going to be 34 pretty soon so I think he needs to get on it and be more active before he's too old to be a threat anymore.

He probably has 3-4 fights left, but he has to win. If he loses that might be the end of Loma as a contender just because he might be 38 before he gets another shot.

[TonyJ]

Never seen a fighter more overrated than Lomachenko NEVER!!!!!

People were creaming themselves after decent wins!!! Why???? Hes a good fighter but not special.

Roy Jones, Manny Pac, Floyd, Canelo those are special fighters. Loma was never in that category

[thomasjkelley]

Literally one of the greatest fighters of our generation. I don't know why he decided to wait until round 6 to show up vs Lopez but the entire world knows that (for some reason) he took off the first 5 rounds, even with that he still should have earned a draw. I'm an American & I know many Americans are sour because we no longer dominate the sport (because our amateur system sucks, amongst other reasons) but calling a fighter overrated when he had the greatest amateur pedigree the world has ever known & beat multiple P4P fighters, a few quitting on the stool, is the height of absurdity & sour grapes. What it shows is that Teo's W over Loma was an absolute fluke, which we all knew before this fight anyhow

[TonyJ]

Literally one of the greatest fighters of our generation. I don't know why he decided to wait until round 6 to show up vs Lopez but the entire world knows that (for some reason) he took off the first 5 rounds, even with that he still should have earned a draw. I'm an American & I know many Americans are sour because we no longer dominate the sport (because our amateur system sucks, amongst other reasons) but calling a fighter overrated when he had the greatest amateur pedigree the world has ever known & beat multiple P4P fighters, a few quitting on the stool, is the height of absurdity & sour grapes. What it shows is that Teo's W over Loma was an absolute fluke, which we all knew before this fight anyhow

Sorry but no he’s not. that’s the exact crap loma fell for just like Lopez. “ generational great” hell nooo!!! But he media wants to to believe that because they are biased. Tell me who exactly did he beat to be a “generational great”????

The two guys he faced who were not outsiZed or old beat him pretty easily? Salido and Lopez beat him without much issues.

He’s struggled against Luke and went the distance yet young Ryan Garcia starched him with a single body shot.

loma has always been ridiculously overrated.

[thereverend]

One of the silly arguments you see is 'x lost to y, and y lost to z, z is better then x.' An even sillier argument is 'x lost to y, y got beaten by z. Therefore x is a bum because z isn't the GOAT'. The outcome of the Kamboros/Lopez fight has nothing to do with how good Loma is. I would happily put money on Loma to beat Kamboros.

Loma certainly has been overrated. A couple years ago people were claiming he was one of the top 10 p4p fighters of all time and how he'd dance circles around guys like Willie Pep. (I'd love to watch that one) He can be bullied, and like everybody else he has trouble against bigger fighters.

But you can't discount how great he has been. He's a hall of famer and had an amazing amateur career. He's probably lost a step, it happens when you reach 30. Boxers that rely on speed and timing decline very quickly, as soon as they lose that fraction of a second. He's been in a lot of fights, many more then almost anybody else at his age and weight class. It's not surprising he's had trouble with his shoulders and hands. He's come back from numerous injuries. His body and muscles can heal but the main effect of that scar tissue is going to be slowing him down. He's not shot but his best years are behind him.

[Bandog]

One of the silly arguments you see is 'x lost to y, and y lost to z, z is better then x.' An even sillier argument is 'x lost to y, y got beaten by z. Therefore x is a bum because z isn't the GOAT'. The outcome of the Kamboros/Lopez fight has nothing to do with how good Loma is. I would happily put money on Loma to beat Kamboros.

Loma certainly has been overrated. A couple years ago people were claiming he was one of the top 10 p4p fighters of all time and how he'd dance circles around guys like Willie Pep. (I'd love to watch that one) He can be bullied, and like everybody else he has trouble against bigger fighters.

But you can't discount how great he has been. He's a hall of famer and had an amazing amateur career. He's probably lost a step, it happens when you reach 30. Boxers that rely on speed and timing decline very quickly, as soon as they lose that fraction of a second. He's been in a lot of fights, many more then almost anybody else at his age and weight class. It's not surprising he's had trouble with his shoulders and hands. He's come back from numerous injuries. His body and muscles can heal but the main effect of that scar tissue is going to be slowing him down. He's not shot but his best years are behind him.

Loma will be an all time great, more as an amateur, but has showed his awesome skills as a pro. Not sure I've seen better footwork. Wear and tear catches up. People that haven't competed at a high level have a harder time understanding. I've never boxed, other than sparring, but know as a former college athlete in wrestling what the physical toll it takes.

Experts say you lose 1/2 pound of muscle a year after 35? Makes sense, I weigh less at 65 than I did at 35-40. Just an old fart now.

[TonyJ]

One of the silly arguments you see is 'x lost to y, and y lost to z, z is better then x.' An even sillier argument is 'x lost to y, y got beaten by z. Therefore x is a bum because z isn't the GOAT'. The outcome of the Kamboros/Lopez fight has nothing to do with how good Loma is. I would happily put money on Loma to beat Kamboros.

Loma certainly has been overrated. A couple years ago people were claiming he was one of the top 10 p4p fighters of all time and how he'd dance circles around guys like Willie Pep. (I'd love to watch that one) He can be bullied, and like everybody else he has trouble against bigger fighters.

But you can't discount how great he has been. He's a hall of famer and had an amazing amateur career. He's probably lost a step, it happens when you reach 30. Boxers that rely on speed and timing decline very quickly, as soon as they lose that fraction of a second. He's been in a lot of fights, many more then almost anybody else at his age and weight class. It's not surprising he's had trouble with his shoulders and hands. He's come back from numerous injuries. His body and muscles can heal but the main effect of that scar tissue is going to be slowing him down. He's not shot but his best years are behind him.

Loma will be an all time great, more as an amateur, but has showed his awesome skills as a pro. Not sure I've seen better footwork. Wear and tear catches up. People that haven't competed at a high level have a harder time understanding. I've never boxed, other than sparring, but know as a former college athlete in wrestling what the physical toll it takes.

Experts say you lose 1/2 pound of muscle a year after 35? Makes sense, I weigh less at 65 than I did at 35-40. Just an old fart now.

Loma is NOT an all time great fighter he would need to beat Teofimo then maybe 2-3 of the other top LWs to be considered.

Again it’s amazing how people try to ignore the fact that he struggled against Campbell in a decision win yet young 23 yr old Ryan Garcia blasted luke out with a single body shot.

Loma has a waaaays to go to be considered an all time great.

[margaret thatcher]

lol ryan got put on his ass and sent into mental health counselling by campbell


and no, teo was never close to stopping loma, nor did he ever put him down, but he did beat him clear

what point here was loma almost stopped

[mcrow24]

As I said, exactly zero times in that round was Loma in any danger of being stopped or knocked down.

Someone here is just a clear Loma hater and can't even watch any of his fights objectively to save his life.

[TonyJ]

lol ryan got put on his ass and sent into mental health counselling by campbell


and no, teo was never close to stopping loma, nor did he ever put him down, but he did beat him clear

what point here was loma almost stopped

Ryan got knocked down so what??? He still came back to ktfo out of a guy who went the distance with Loma.

Loma got dropped on his ass my Linares so what’s you’re point?

[jimcook]

at lightweight loma may not be an atg....would he have beaten duran? i doubt it
but at his own weight he certainly was. most of his pro career was spent fighting much bigger guys, giving away huge advantages.

[margaret thatcher]

lol ryan got put on his ass and sent into mental health counselling by campbell


and no, teo was never close to stopping loma, nor did he ever put him down, but he did beat him clear

what point here was loma almost stopped

Ryan got knocked down so what??? He still came back to ktfo out of a guy who went the distance with Loma.

Loma got dropped on his ass my Linares so what’s you’re point?

ya, both silly dudes getting dropped on their arses, maybe theyre made for each other. i mean, ryan is that mentally fragile kid looking for some guidance, maybe loma could help him out

[NateJR]

Loma is/was most certainly overrated in the pros. He deserves all the credit in the world for what he accomplished in the amateurs, but he's no where near a ATG as a pro. Once the headgear comes off and you're fighting legitimate world champions in the pros, that's where you earn your greatness, not in the amateurs.

With that being said, there's no denying Lomas brilliance in the ring. He's a great fighter, but to make excuses for him is crazy. Both Floyd and Manny fought at a size and age disadvantage for most of their careers as well, Loma is not even in the same galaxy as those guys when it comes to professional accomplishments. They are 2 bona-fide ATGs.

[margaret thatcher]

well, of course you can earn greatness in the ams, amateur greatness

lomas been a very good pro. a great one? as in atg? ehhh

maybe he still has some surprise left in him though. could he get a kambo fight and win that?

[AngryGoon38]

Not over rated, just a bit old, out sized and high milage from 400 am fights.

Not age but yea maybe undersized a bit but no one said that when he was winning not until he lost so it sounds like an excuse.

Imo both Teo and Loma fell for they’re own hype.

I for one knew that Lomachenko was too small to be moving up to 135.
He was meant to excel at 126,which he did. And 130 as well. But 126 was Really his true calling,as far as attaining Greatness Status. He's a Very Skilled "Little" Boxer. Remember and consider to emphasize the word "Little", when judging his skill-set and such. His first profession/specialty was Ballet Dancing as well. Ala-Jean Claude Van Damme.

Boxing wasn't even his first big time persuit. And if Lomachenko had only had,say,200,instead of 400 amauter bouts,and he just focused on remaining at 126,instead of jumping weight-classes like a money hungry fool, then we could've been very well discussing about Lomachenko with his 35-0 or 40-0 record. Especially being that That Cheating Coward Bum Salido should've been DQ'd,or at least deducted Multiple,and I'll say it again, Multiple ! Freaking points ! for his dirty dishonorable cowardly tactics !

Look at Cotto-Urkal. Back in 2006. That ref was deducting point after point after point from Urkal,and he wasn't fighting Half as Dirty as Salido ! Double standards much..?! Biased against Urkal,and then biased against Lomachenko. Double Standards ! But hey,that's okay for the Biased Haters I guess. Dirty Corruptive Boxing Politics personified !

[bobcatbox]

at lightweight loma may not be an atg....would he have beaten duran? i doubt it
but at his own weight he certainly was. most of his pro career was spent fighting much bigger guys, giving away huge advantages.

X2

Loma was a highly skilled guy and two time good medalist. Not to be called overrated. He was overhyped by ESPN who did everything in their power to desperately erase from memory his loss to Salido.

But certainly a word class talent. I don’t know if he’s a hall of fame or an ATG. That’s a stretch for me. But for his era he was the best featherweight and probably super feather on the scene. First and only man to beat Gary Russell and Nick Walters. First man to beat Rigo. Then beat a prime Linares at 135.

[margaret thatcher]

hall of fame yes i can see, i think he's got a very good case for that. unified champ, 3 division champ, and legit elite p4p fightet and top 1-3 in 3 divisions. and he's still fighting. what if he beats commey and then takes kambos 0 and his belts back? that would be a serious result which adds to his accomplishment. sure he got them 2 Ls , but he's spent nearly all career at title level and thats what happens unless youre floyd

i think atg has a higher bar than hof though..........for me, the atgs types are the ones who are the best of the best in the hall, not the average inductee. let's say the floyd mayweather to the don curry. the outf@ckingstanding to the very very good or mayve even great. i dont see loma ever getting to what i consider atg level.

compared to really great fighters, he just seems a bit uncomfortable and hesistant when an opponent really presses him hard and is full of confidence. its like, you cant ever completely break him out of expecting that 'box.....stop! box....stop!' of the ams.....whereas someone even better will settle in and adapt to it when need be.

another thing most of the atgs have - is the sense of awareness to know when they need to push, knowing when they can step back, etc. whereas with so many loma fights, ive been like 'come on man, step on it!', whether to get a totally outclassed guy out of there or to claw back a deficit.

[ironbeard]

lol ryan got put on his ass and sent into mental health counselling by campbell


and no, teo was never close to stopping loma, nor did he ever put him down, but he did beat him clear

what point here was loma almost stopped

Ok, I admit that he was not as close to stopping Lomassiah as I remembered.

(See how that works people? The world does not come to an end when you admit you were wrong.)

Teo did beat the fornicate out of Lomassiah in the last round though. If Teo’s loss to King George suggests anything it is how tough, conditioned, skilled, quick, and determined the Australian truly is.

[gregregegg]

3 weight world champ is so common these days, but it has to be noted loma moved out of his weight class.other guys that move up weight bully early then grow through divs.

Who has really moved past there division recently and been significantly lighter than opponents: floyd, manny, loma, canelo will if he fights cruiser, rigo tried and showed how tough it is. Tank did against a midrange guy, I’m sure there are a couple of others, but it’s no fuking joke fighting Cleary out of your weight class,

[AngryGoon38]

3 weight world champ is so common these days, but it has to be noted loma moved out of his weight class.other guys that move up weight bully early then grow through divs.

Who has really moved past there division recently and been significantly lighter than opponents: floyd, manny, loma, canelo will if he fights cruiser, rigo tried and showed how tough it is. Tank did against a midrange guy, I’m sure there are a couple of others, but it’s no fuking joke fighting Cleary out of your weight class,

Loma has no leverage advantages. Tiny 65" reach. Listed as 5'7,but no way. He's like, 5'6-1/4 while wearing elevator flip-flops. He has to rely extra on that specialty ballet dancer footwork. And be extra brave and gutsy fighting these LW monsters weighing 150 lbs at the time of they're beasty in the ring-weight. He's really just a blown up smallish Featherweight lugging around extra useless muscle-weight in his quads,fighting these Much BIGGER MEN. Just for the sake of earning that extra Cash.

[ironbeard]

The “poor undersized Lomassiah” crap is dusty old. He is far from the first boxer to climb the weight classes for fame and fortune. And he is far from the most successful at it.

It wasn’t that long ago that his worshippers were saying that he might be unstoppable all the way up to welter.

Need I mention the greats who started at his initial pro weight class and significantly lower and ended up actually going to welter and fighting the weight drainers there?

The Teo v King George fight did nothing to prove that Lomassiah is overrated. His worshippers have demonstrated it from the start.

[margaret thatcher]

an east euro hype job?