BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Ortiz vs. Martin / Sanchez vs. Hammer

[Ruthless-RKO]

egg yoke has a fight scheduled, tbf despite getting some hate hes moving about things decently

Who?

[margaret thatcher]

dont play dumb my man, the one and only egg yoke dont need no clarification

[gregregegg]

egg yoke has a fight scheduled, tbf despite getting some hate hes moving about things decently

Isn’t that the fight vs bakole that is canceled?

[margaret thatcher]

it got cancelled?

ah sheeet

[Ruthless-RKO]

it got cancelled?

ah sheeet

Been postponed till whenever France get more crowds in arenas.

Where you been Mags? You’re usually on every thread?

[CMCanavessi]

egg yoke has a fight scheduled, tbf despite getting some hate hes moving about things decently

Isn’t that the fight vs bakole that is canceled?

Aren't they fighting in 10 days, January 15?

[gregregegg]

egg yoke has a fight scheduled, tbf despite getting some hate hes moving about things decently

Isn’t that the fight vs bakole that is canceled?

Aren't they fighting in 10 days, January 15?

from what i had heard its gone. still got the astrix, but suposidly its gone.

[Frede6]

Isn’t that the fight vs bakole that is canceled?

Aren't they fighting in 10 days, January 15?

from what i had heard its gone. still got the astrix, but suposidly its gone.

In principle, this fight is just postponed due to Covid. French authorities are due to update their rules at end of January. But who knows with Covid? Who knows with Boxing ?
Yoka might end in Croatia for IBF mando

[Enlightened-One]

Nah but really its so grim right now, Not a single top 25 heavy has a fight booked. Either this is going to be another shit year for boxing or march/april is going to be epic.

We've always known that Tyson Fury, Oleksandr Usyk and Anthony Joshua would only be competing around April. There is no boxing in the UK during January.

Dillian Whyte is engaged in legal arbitration against the WBC, which will prevent him from competing until the process is complete in March.

Deontay Wilder is currently serving a medical suspension.

Andy Ruiz Jr. only recently recovered from surgery as his name has recently been mentioned as Tyson Fury's next opponent.

Robert Helenius is in the same boat as Ruiz Jr., since he's also being considered to face 'The Gypsy King'. 'The Nordic Nightmare' only recently defeated Adam Kownacki.

Joseph Parker will likely be invited to engage in an IBF final eliminator against Filip Hrgovic.

Tony Yoka, Kubrat Pulev and Otto Wallin already have fights scheduled. And it's believed that Hughie Fury will be facing Chris Arreola next.

Filip Hrgovic, Jared Anderson, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Michael Hunter and Frank Sanchez have all fought within the last few weeks.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Nah but really its so grim right now, Not a single top 25 heavy has a fight booked. Either this is going to be another shit year for boxing or march/april is going to be epic.

Tony Yoka, Kubrat Pulev and Otto Wallin already have fights scheduled. And it's believed that Hughie Fury will be facing Chris Arreola next.

Who's Wallin fighting.

[Enlightened-One]

Nah but really its so grim right now, Not a single top 25 heavy has a fight booked. Either this is going to be another shit year for boxing or march/april is going to be epic.

Tony Yoka, Kubrat Pulev and Otto Wallin already have fights scheduled. And it's believed that Hughie Fury will be facing Chris Arreola next.

Who's Wallin fighting.

I watched a YouTube video of him saying that he'd started training camp for an unannounced bout (no officially named opponent yet). He is also hoping that the WBC will order Dillian Whyte to face him, which seems like a lost cause to me.

[DrDuke]

Wallin ain't no fighting anybody soon.

[Enlightened-One]

Wallin ain't no fighting anybody soon.

He told Boxing Social he’s in training camp in New York, but didn’t have a fight “locked in”.

He’ll fight soon (he says end of January/February), but I wouldn’t expect much in terms of opposition.

Do you need to see the video?

[Ruthless-RKO]

The vote is over.

Ortiz moves to #9 ahead of Pulev. Sanchez stays at #14.

Current ranking:

1. Tyson Fury - 31(22) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Oleksandr Usyk - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Andy Ruiz Jr - 34(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Joe Joyce - 13(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Kubrat Pulev - 28(14) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Tony Yoka - 11(9) 0 0 - next fight: TBC vs. Martin Bakole - 17(13) 1(1) 0 - (unranked)

12. Otto Wallin - 22(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Frank Sanchez - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dereck Chisora - 32(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

[Finkel]

I don’t expect anyone to consider my ratings, but since you’ve politely asked for them, here are my thoughts:

1) Tyson Fury
2) Oleksandr Usyk
3) Anthony Joshua
4) Dillian Whyte
5) Deontay Wilder
6) Andy Ruiz Jr.
7) Joseph Parker
8) Joe Joyce
9) Otto Wallin
10) Michael Hunter
11) Tony Yoka
12) Frank Sanchez
13) Kubrat Pulev
14) Hughie Fury
15) Dereck Chisora

Important note 1: I feel the likes of Oscar Rivas, Robert Helenius, Filip Hrgovic and Jared Anderson are capable of being very competitive (and perhaps even beating) Kubrat Pulev, Dereck Chisora and Hughie Fury, but I need to see something more from them to convince me of their rating - basically, they need to earn it! So I’m not too bothered about people disagreeing with my ratings from 13th place onwards.

Important note 2: Luis Ortiz still has decent boxing fundamentals, he has a very good jab and is clearly capable of scoring one-punch KO’s, but he lacks stamina and no longer appears to be durable. So I can’t consider him a top-15 heavyweight, based on the proverbial eyeball test, coupled with his inactivity and poor resume over the last six years. He might just about make my top-twenty though.

Important note 3: I really don’t like watching Frank Sanchez compete, because his pugilistic fighting style is incompatible with my tastes, but he’s deceptively awkward and extremely effective at what he does (despite being feather-fisted). He might currently be good enough to be rated amongst the top-eight. However, he hasn’t earned that rating yet, so I’ve rated him below fighters I believe he’s capable of beating.

Important note 4: I don’t know whether Kubrat Pulev has retired from competitive boxing, but I’ve rated him anyway. I suspect he deserves to be removed from the rankings, because he’s only achieved one meaningful victory within the last 5½ years, which was the IBF eliminator (3½ years ago) against Hughie Fury. I think I’ve rated the Bulgarian too highly, based solely on his victories over Fury & Chisora, but I believe both Brits would beat Pulev today.

The only one I can't get behind is Hunter top 10. He has really dropped off since the Povetkin draw. But I can understand people wanting to rank him based on the draw and the wins he had against other contenders, and to be fair those below him haven't gotten a signature win that would move them above

I'm not sure I would drop Ortiz completely yet, though he is ripe for the picking in his next fight. But I don't like the argument IF Martin had won which IronBeard is making, because Martin didn't win. Ortiz is early-40s (generous) and he looked shot against a top 30 fighter. Most of the ranked fighters and prospective contenders will be licking their lips at the thought of getting Ortiz in the ring and on their resume

I think if we were to be asked to consider a new top 15, then we'd have different lists, like EO has above.

But what Dag created here, was a rankings, similar to other orgs, like TBRB, Ring, ESPN, where it's on like a rolling fight-by-fight basis. depending on when HW contenders have fought.

Then based on the majority, we make the changes to the rankings until the next HW fight.
I believe as a whole, 90% of posters that use this thread are probably happy with the rankings,

Just to be clear, I am very happy with the system. Whilst I might seemingly have strong opinions on things, I am fully behind the idea that I probably have no clue what I am talking about and so am more than happy to defer to the majority. It's actually why I enjoy these rankings, because whereas I may not agree, I am happy to accept the outcome

[Ruthless-RKO]

The only one I can't get behind is Hunter top 10. He has really dropped off since the Povetkin draw. But I can understand people wanting to rank him based on the draw and the wins he had against other contenders, and to be fair those below him haven't gotten a signature win that would move them above

I'm not sure I would drop Ortiz completely yet, though he is ripe for the picking in his next fight. But I don't like the argument IF Martin had won which IronBeard is making, because Martin didn't win. Ortiz is early-40s (generous) and he looked shot against a top 30 fighter. Most of the ranked fighters and prospective contenders will be licking their lips at the thought of getting Ortiz in the ring and on their resume

I think if we were to be asked to consider a new top 15, then we'd have different lists, like EO has above.

But what Dag created here, was a rankings, similar to other orgs, like TBRB, Ring, ESPN, where it's on like a rolling fight-by-fight basis. depending on when HW contenders have fought.

Then based on the majority, we make the changes to the rankings until the next HW fight.
I believe as a whole, 90% of posters that use this thread are probably happy with the rankings,

Just to be clear, I am very happy with the system. Whilst I might seemingly have strong opinions on things, I am fully behind the idea that I probably have no clue what I am talking about and so am more than happy to defer to the majority. It's actually why I enjoy these rankings, because whereas I may not agree, I am happy to accept the outcome

Yeh, I wasn't aiming all that at you.

I think the majority will agree with you as well.

[gregregegg]

Nah but really its so grim right now, Not a single top 25 heavy has a fight booked. Either this is going to be another shit year for boxing or march/april is going to be epic.

We've always known that Tyson Fury, Oleksandr Usyk and Anthony Joshua would only be competing around April. There is no boxing in the UK during January.

Dillian Whyte is engaged in legal arbitration against the WBC, which will prevent him from competing until the process is complete in March.

Deontay Wilder is currently serving a medical suspension.

Andy Ruiz Jr. only recently recovered from surgery as his name has recently been mentioned as Tyson Fury's next opponent.

Robert Helenius is in the same boat as Ruiz Jr., since he's also being considered to face 'The Gypsy King'. 'The Nordic Nightmare' only recently defeated Adam Kownacki.

Joseph Parker will likely be invited to engage in an IBF final eliminator against Filip Hrgovic.

Tony Yoka, Kubrat Pulev and Otto Wallin already have fights scheduled. And it's believed that Hughie Fury will be facing Chris Arreola next.

Filip Hrgovic, Jared Anderson, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Michael Hunter and Frank Sanchez have all fought within the last few weeks.

Yea obviously there are explanations for most of them. One note, i dont consider a fight scheduled till it has a date. so best i know yoka dosent, kubrats isnt boxing, and ottos i have yet to hear a date (or opponent)...

point is, top 25 heavies normaly get there fights announced 10+ weeks out.... does that mean we wont 90% of the top 25 till mid march? then what? we gounna have an absolute heavyweight bonanza late march and through april?

I was really hoping a lot of the guys that were inactive last year would try put them selves in a spot to comfortably fight 3 times this year. any later than april and that starts to become tricky... DDD for example has fought 6 fuking minutes since his defeat to joyce in 2020, that has to change this year.

[CMCanavessi]

The vote is over.

Ortiz moves to #9 ahead of Pulev. Sanchez stays at #14.

Current ranking:

1. Tyson Fury - 31(22) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Oleksandr Usyk - 19(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Joseph Parker - 30(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Andy Ruiz Jr - 34(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Joe Joyce - 13(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Kubrat Pulev - 28(14) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Tony Yoka - 11(9) 0 0 - next fight: TBC vs. Martin Bakole - 17(13) 1(1) 0 - (unranked)

12. Otto Wallin - 22(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Robert Helenius - 31(20) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Frank Sanchez - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dereck Chisora - 32(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

Can you make a new poll to check if people want Pulev out of the list or not yet? And if he's gone, then we'll need to find a replacement

[Enlightened-One]

Wallin ain't no fighting anybody soon.

Otto Wallin is facing Kamil Sokolowski this weekend.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Wallin ain't no fighting anybody soon.

Otto Wallin is facing Kamil Sokolowski this weekend.

I don't think we'll even consider having a vote after that bout.

[Enlightened-One]

Wallin ain't no fighting anybody soon.

Otto Wallin is facing Kamil Sokolowski this weekend.

I don't think we'll even consider having a vote after that bout.

Yeah, I assumed as much.

It's just that (a few weeks ago) when I watched the video of Wallin saying he was fighting imminently, people said it wouldn't happen.

Kamil Sokolowski might be a journeyman and will probably lose on points to Wallin, but I think he's slightly better than his resume reads.

Anyway, it'll give the inactive Otto Wallin some valuable rounds to rid himself of ring rust.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Otto Wallin is facing Kamil Sokolowski this weekend.

I don't think we'll even consider having a vote after that bout.

Yeah, I assumed as much.

It's just that (a few weeks ago) when I watched the video of Wallin saying he was fighting imminently, a lot of people said it wouldn't happen.

Kamil Sokolowski might be a journeyman and will probably lose on points to Wallin, but I think he's slightly better than his resume reads.

Anyway, it'll give the inactive Otto Wallin some valuable rounds to rid himself of ring rust.

Yeh, a sparring session which will go on his record as a win.

[ironbeard]

At least somebody is staying busy.

[CMCanavessi]

Wallin couldn't even ko that guy, went the distance lol.

[margaret thatcher]

not really a big deal, soko is very durable and it was just a meaningless stay busy fight, fighters rarely bring their best for those. wallin's not a puncher anyway, though he did hurt fury!

david price gave counts to povetkin, thompson, and hammer (boring as hell but durable) but couldnt budge soko either