Tyson Fury vs. Dillian Whyte | BT PPV - 23 April 2022

[polecateddy]

Hope we get some good fights out of all this boxing politics

Hopefully AJ will come in heavier looking for an early KO and hopefully Fury/Whyte is more Wilder trilogy than Klitschko style.

He doesn’t look heavy on recent photographs. If the fight is by Easter it would be impossible for him to gain significant muscle without really stacking on the PEDs. The usual micro-dosing probably won’t cut it. I think he’s pretty screwed and won’t take the fight.

[maverick23]

From what I can tell it appears it was Tyson’s insistence on a soft one in March that scuppered this. Both Eddie and Krassyk are saying Tyson didn’t want to fight Usyk next so no deal.

Who knows with Tyson - he may change his mind in the morning or he may bin off the WBC belt rather than do the purse bids and continue to push the lineal nonsense.

[mickey1975]

Tyson has forced AJ to rematch Usyk, a fight they clearly don't want.

[maverick23]

Tyson has forced AJ to rematch Usyk, a fight they clearly don't want.

AJ doesn’t have to fight Usyk - it’s his choice to if it happens. Won’t be a great look if he doesn’t but given he’s changing trainer I’d personally get it. Will just make it difficult for him to get back involved for the belts.

Several of the usual boxing journos are stating that Fury wanted a tune up in March before Usyk which the other parties didn’t agree to. Does that mean AJ has forced Fury to fight Whyte?

[joshj909]

Tyson has forced AJ to rematch Usyk, a fight they clearly don't want.

AJ doesn’t have to fight Usyk - it’s his choice to if it happens. Won’t be a great look if he doesn’t but given he’s changing trainer I’d personally get it. Will just make it difficult for him to get back involved for the belts.

Several of the usual boxing journos are stating that Fury wanted a tune up in March before Usyk which the other parties didn’t agree to. Does that mean AJ has forced Fury to fight Whyte?

This is the most relevant Helenius or Charr have ever been in the heavyweight division (assuming they would be the warm up fights).

[595179]

Tyson has forced AJ to rematch Usyk, a fight they clearly don't want.

"Are you his doctor?"

[gregregegg]

Fury ducking Usyk now or when its fury its just smart business. ... to be fair this path makes more sense for fury, but if he wanted undisputed vs the best it was kinda there.

[jimmystone]

Tyson has forced AJ to rematch Usyk, a fight they clearly don't want.

I don't agree. AJ doesn't have to fight Usyk next at all. He should say his new training team suggest a couple of rebuilding fights so they can gel. That would be the right move for him. Take it easy this year and let everything sort itself out.

It does now appear that Tyson has to fight Whyte next or vacate. As much as I didn't think it was in his character it's definitely a show of weakness (to try and get both Whyte and AJ to step aside so he could fight a tune up). He was right to avoid Price way back when but now he's supposed to be the finished article. I don't think he wants Whyte but he knows he's badly weakened if he drops the belt. WHyte should be the tune up for Usyk.

It would seem he isn't confident he would beat Usyk without at least one warm up. That's smart. Wilder is one trick pony, Tyson hasn't learned anything fighting him other than proving to himself beyond doubt he's brave and has superb recovery when hurt. He'll need more than that against Usyk and will have to practice accordingly. Unless he drops a bollock against Whyte of course.

[jimmystone]

p.s. AJ should only about turn on the rematch after Fury v Whyte is signed. I think that's what he'll do.

[595179]

Tyson has forced AJ to rematch Usyk, a fight they clearly don't want.

Joshua forced Fury to fight Whyte.

[gregregegg]

Tyson has forced AJ to rematch Usyk, a fight they clearly don't want.

I don't agree. AJ doesn't have to fight Usyk next at all. He should say his new training team suggest a couple of rebuilding fights so they can gel. That would be the right move for him. Take it easy this year and let everything sort itself out.

It does now appear that Tyson has to fight Whyte next or vacate. As much as I didn't think it was in his character it's definitely a show of weakness (to try and get both Whyte and AJ to step aside so he could fight a tune up). He was right to avoid Price way back when but now he's supposed to be the finished article. I don't think he wants Whyte but he knows he's badly weakened if he drops the belt. WHyte should be the tune up for Usyk.

It would seem he isn't confident he would beat Usyk without at least one warm up. That's smart. Wilder is one trick pony, Tyson hasn't learned anything fighting him other than proving to himself beyond doubt he's brave and has superb recovery when hurt. He'll need more than that against Usyk and will have to practice accordingly. Unless he drops a bollock against Whyte of course.

While he isnt forced to techniacaly, he kind of has to now.... he turned down millions to not fight usyk.... be weird to then not fight usyk free.

[Twinkle Toes]

Fury swerved Usyk for the undisputed and now has to fight a mandatory. Genius!

[maverick23]

Tyson has forced AJ to rematch Usyk, a fight they clearly don't want.

I don't agree. AJ doesn't have to fight Usyk next at all. He should say his new training team suggest a couple of rebuilding fights so they can gel. That would be the right move for him. Take it easy this year and let everything sort itself out.

It does now appear that Tyson has to fight Whyte next or vacate. As much as I didn't think it was in his character it's definitely a show of weakness (to try and get both Whyte and AJ to step aside so he could fight a tune up). He was right to avoid Price way back when but now he's supposed to be the finished article. I don't think he wants Whyte but he knows he's badly weakened if he drops the belt. WHyte should be the tune up for Usyk.

It would seem he isn't confident he would beat Usyk without at least one warm up. That's smart. Wilder is one trick pony, Tyson hasn't learned anything fighting him other than proving to himself beyond doubt he's brave and has superb recovery when hurt. He'll need more than that against Usyk and will have to practice accordingly. Unless he drops a bollock against Whyte of course.

While he isnt forced to techniacaly, he kind of has to now.... he turned down millions to not fight usyk.... be weird to then not fight usyk free.

How do you know he turned down millions? Kassyuk said it was Fury who turned down Usyk as his next fight which ended the discussions as Fury wanted a soft one first.

[jimmystone]

While he isnt forced to techniacaly, he kind of has to now.... he turned down millions to not fight usyk.... be weird to then not fight usyk free.

Irrespective of what he may say and his promoter may say, don't be so sure it was AJ who turned down the step-aside money. I think Whyte is more likely to be the one who told them to ram it when the warm-up was brought into the equation. Don't forget Eddie won't go full disclosure with Whyte and AJ about what the other one has really said.

Whyte would have got circa five million and then had to sit about for yet another 18 months. At which point he would then probably have fought for the vacant WBC belt when Usyk ditched it.

[mickey1975]

Whyte is doing well out of this. He's not very good

[Ruthless-RKO]

[daz74]

Without a robust guaranteed pathway to a future shot at the Undisputed there was never likely to be step asides. Fury’s behaviour is more erratic than usual, it’s a little sad to see him unravelling. His ego won’t allow him to fight on a Matchroom card and so the pressure is on for Top Rank to bid real big tomorrow.

[joshj909]

Without a robust guaranteed pathway to a future shot at the Undisputed there was never likely to be step asides. Fury’s behaviour is more erratic than usual, it’s a little sad to see him unravelling. His ego won’t allow him to fight on a Matchroom card and so the pressure is on for Top Rank to bid real big tomorrow.

Would Fury vacate before fighting on a Matchroom card? It's definitely plausible. I hope it does go ahead. The press conferences between Frank/Eddie and Fury/Whyte will be glorious.

[Frostieballs]

What a mess.

- 58 parties involved and jostling for position
- 2 fighters considering step aside
- 1 fighter wanting a soft touch warm up
- A pariah state chucking hundreds of millions into the pot

Do we have any confidence that if the purse bid actually takes place it will be stuck to?

‘Sport’ is now the least relevant aspect of the heavyweight championship of the world.

Only Usyk gets any credit here.

[tonyevs]

Tyson has forced AJ to rematch Usyk, a fight they clearly don't want.

I don't agree. AJ doesn't have to fight Usyk next at all. He should say his new training team suggest a couple of rebuilding fights so they can gel. That would be the right move for him. Take it easy this year and let everything sort itself out.

It does now appear that Tyson has to fight Whyte next or vacate. As much as I didn't think it was in his character it's definitely a show of weakness (to try and get both Whyte and AJ to step aside so he could fight a tune up). He was right to avoid Price way back when but now he's supposed to be the finished article. I don't think he wants Whyte but he knows he's badly weakened if he drops the belt. WHyte should be the tune up for Usyk.

It would seem he isn't confident he would beat Usyk without at least one warm up. That's smart. Wilder is one trick pony, Tyson hasn't learned anything fighting him other than proving to himself beyond doubt he's brave and has superb recovery when hurt. He'll need more than that against Usyk and will have to practice accordingly. Unless he drops a bollock against Whyte of course.

Agreed

With someone as unreliable as Fury, any step-aside deal would very likely be seen as the end of their title ambitions for the next 18-24mnths .. thus being the end of Whyte and probably Joshua's boxing careers.

I am not sure all this has been sorted out - I expect Fury will still have a few toys left in the pram to throw out.

Hopefully Whyte gets his opportunity now. That Fury wanted a warm up in March is definitely a chink in his armour that Whyte will take confidence from.

[maverick23]

Without a robust guaranteed pathway to a future shot at the Undisputed there was never likely to be step asides. Fury’s behaviour is more erratic than usual, it’s a little sad to see him unravelling. His ego won’t allow him to fight on a Matchroom card and so the pressure is on for Top Rank to bid real big tomorrow.

Would Fury vacate before fighting on a Matchroom card? It's definitely plausible. I hope it does go ahead. The press conferences between Frank/Eddie and Fury/Whyte will be glorious.

Why would Tyson vacate rather than fight on a Matchroom show? I find that attitude really strange. The fight with Whyte will either be in the U.K. (where he’ll have more fans than Whyte) or Saudi (where he had his match with WWE) so it’s not like he’ll have to fight somewhere completely unknown. It’s also not like it’s Triller promoting the fight and there will be chances of delays etc. Matchroom have a good reputation and I don’t really remember any away fighters (bar Teofimo Senior) having an issue with how they were dealt with.

[mickey1975]

Didn't BJS have an issue?
I KNOW they're not very good payers at a low level, might be different at the top.

[mickey1975]

Didn't BJS have an issue?
I KNOW they're not very good payers at a low level, might be different at the top.

[mickey1975]

Didn't BJS have an issue?
I KNOW they're not very good payers at a low level, might be different at the top.

[gregregegg]

Didn't BJS have an issue?
I KNOW they're not very good payers at a low level, might be different at the top.

oh shit you KNOW...