Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Jermall Charlo - Who wins?

[adislav123]

allowed.

100%.

free speech, mate.

i'll let it slide.

this time:TU:

[Ruthless-RKO]

Jermall Charlo Cleared Of Robbery Charges, Case Dismissed

Jermall Charlo has been cleared of all charges stemming from an alleged robbery incident.

Boxing Scene has confirmed that the three-count case against the unbeaten two-division and reigning WBC middleweight titlist was dismissed on Monday, citing insufficient evidence in dropping all charges. Houston’s Charlo was previously arrested on August 7 and charged with three counts of second-degree felony robbery in response to a complaint filed July 16 at Privat Martini Bar & Social Club in San Antonio.

Charlo was released on $5,000 surety bond, maintaining his innocence and eager to prove as such in a court of law. It never came to that, as investigators determined that video surveillance confirmed Charlo’s insistence that the incident in question was merely a misunderstanding over his payment card originally being declined due to a fraud alert—a common occurrence experienced by Chase cardholders.

The evidence supported Charlo’s version of events, closing out the case entirely according to Bexar County court records.

According to the initial incident report, Charlo allegedly stole cash from a guest check portfolio and accused a waiter of trying to steal his debit card, while retrieving his driver’s license from another portfolio. The report suggests that a member of Charlo’s party injured a waitress upon exiting the establishment, although there already appears to be conflicts regarding both the sequence of events and the extent of the incident in question.

“I want to make clear that Jermall stole no money from anyone at the club and made no threats toward anyone,” Kent A. Schaffer, Charlo’s attorney stated at the time. “When (the club) ran his card, it was declined and he then received a fraud alert from Chase Bank asking if he had made the charge. He responded yes and they told him to have the charge submitted again.

“The waitress went to run it again and came back saying she could not find the card. Jermall was upset that his card was missing since it was a debit card tied to an account with a substantial amount of money.”

The filed incident report was where the two sides disagreed over what happened next. Charlo—who was in town in support of his twin brother Jermell Charlo in his undisputed junior middleweight championship clash with Brian Castano—was understandably distraught over the establishment not being able to locate his debit card. By that point, he saw his license sticking out from a check presenter at which he took it back as “he didn’t want her to lose that, too” according to his attorney.

Police responded to a call from the establishment at roughly 2:00 a.m., according to the report. It was believed by officials detailed to the case that there existed enough evidence to proceed with the case, with arrest warrants executed August 7, according to Bexar County court records. The sense from Charlo’s legal team that it would be resolved, which ultimately proved to be the case.

Charlo (32-0, 22KOs) has been out of the ring since a twelve-round, unanimous decision win over Mexico’s Juan Macias Montiel last Juneteenth at Toyota Center in his Houston hometown. The win marked the fourth successful title defense for Charlo since his reign was upgraded from “interim” to “World” champion in June 2019.

The next fight for Charlo has yet to be revealed by Premier Boxing Champions (PBC). However, his name has remained in headlines primarily as the leading candidate to next face pound-for-pound king and undisputed super middleweight champion Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez (57-1-2, 39KOs).

The rumored fight is targeted for a May 7 Pay-Per-View in Las Vegas, in celebration of Cinco De Mayo and with Charlo moving up in weight in attempting to become a three-division titlist. Such talks come as his twin brother Jermell awaits a firm fight date for his undisputed junior middleweight championship rematch with Castano.

[Enlightened-One]

Jermall Charlo Cleared Of Robbery Charges, Case Dismissed

Jermall Charlo has been cleared of all charges stemming from an alleged robbery incident.

Boxing Scene has confirmed that the three-count case against the unbeaten two-division and reigning WBC middleweight titlist was dismissed on Monday, citing insufficient evidence in dropping all charges. Houston’s Charlo was previously arrested on August 7 and charged with three counts of second-degree felony robbery in response to a complaint filed July 16 at Privat Martini Bar & Social Club in San Antonio.

Charlo was released on $5,000 surety bond, maintaining his innocence and eager to prove as such in a court of law. It never came to that, as investigators determined that video surveillance confirmed Charlo’s insistence that the incident in question was merely a misunderstanding over his payment card originally being declined due to a fraud alert—a common occurrence experienced by Chase cardholders.

The evidence supported Charlo’s version of events, closing out the case entirely according to Bexar County court records.

According to the initial incident report, Charlo allegedly stole cash from a guest check portfolio and accused a waiter of trying to steal his debit card, while retrieving his driver’s license from another portfolio. The report suggests that a member of Charlo’s party injured a waitress upon exiting the establishment, although there already appears to be conflicts regarding both the sequence of events and the extent of the incident in question.

“I want to make clear that Jermall stole no money from anyone at the club and made no threats toward anyone,” Kent A. Schaffer, Charlo’s attorney stated at the time. “When (the club) ran his card, it was declined and he then received a fraud alert from Chase Bank asking if he had made the charge. He responded yes and they told him to have the charge submitted again.

“The waitress went to run it again and came back saying she could not find the card. Jermall was upset that his card was missing since it was a debit card tied to an account with a substantial amount of money.”

The filed incident report was where the two sides disagreed over what happened next. Charlo—who was in town in support of his twin brother Jermell Charlo in his undisputed junior middleweight championship clash with Brian Castano—was understandably distraught over the establishment not being able to locate his debit card. By that point, he saw his license sticking out from a check presenter at which he took it back as “he didn’t want her to lose that, too” according to his attorney.

Police responded to a call from the establishment at roughly 2:00 a.m., according to the report. It was believed by officials detailed to the case that there existed enough evidence to proceed with the case, with arrest warrants executed August 7, according to Bexar County court records. The sense from Charlo’s legal team that it would be resolved, which ultimately proved to be the case.

Charlo (32-0, 22KOs) has been out of the ring since a twelve-round, unanimous decision win over Mexico’s Juan Macias Montiel last Juneteenth at Toyota Center in his Houston hometown. The win marked the fourth successful title defense for Charlo since his reign was upgraded from “interim” to “World” champion in June 2019.

The next fight for Charlo has yet to be revealed by Premier Boxing Champions (PBC). However, his name has remained in headlines primarily as the leading candidate to next face pound-for-pound king and undisputed super middleweight champion Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez (57-1-2, 39KOs).

The rumored fight is targeted for a May 7 Pay-Per-View in Las Vegas, in celebration of Cinco De Mayo and with Charlo moving up in weight in attempting to become a three-division titlist. Such talks come as his twin brother Jermell awaits a firm fight date for his undisputed junior middleweight championship rematch with Castano.

There were several people from this forum prematurely jumping to conclusions, condemning Jermall Charlo, by wrongly assuming guilt based on a complete absence of reliable evidence.

[Enlightened-One]

It matters not WHERE Canelo fights because he’ll be guaranteed a crapload of money and PPV IS where he’s going to make his riches, not selling 75k tickets.

Canelo tends to fight in geographic locations where the Hispanics and Latinos comprise a significant portion of the demographic population.

Is that merely a coincidence or did the promoters intentionally stage the events in those venues to optimise revenue generation for themselves and their business partners?

I don’t know for certain the answer to this question, but generally-speaking, I usually don’t believe in coincidences when it comes to business decisions.

one question i'd really like you to elaborate on if u would be so kind:

in what 'geographic locations' could the mexican megastar fight where 'the hispanics and latinos DON'T comprise a significant portion of the demographic population'???

This is only a guess on my part, but based on my interpretation of the US consensus results for 2010-20, the following geographic areas allegedly have an Hispanic and Latino Population of 10% or less:

• American Samoa
• Guam
• Northern Mariana Islands
• United States
• West Virginia
• Maine
• Vermont
• Mississippi
• Montana
• New Hampshire
• North Dakota
• Ohio Ohio
• South Dakota
• Kentucky
• Missouri
• Alabama
• Michigan
• Minnesota
• Louisiana
• Alaska
• Iowa
• South Carolina
• Tennessee
• Wisconsin
• Pennsylvania
• Indiana
• Arkansas
• Hawaii
• Wyoming
• Delaware
• Georgia
• Virginia
• North Carolina

Canelo usually competes in venues located in Texas, Nevada and New York.

[adislav123]

you're the man, eo!


BUT why would you restrict the global megastar canelo only to the us of a?

which locations all over the world should canelo's promoters think about twice to send their golden boy do his thing, cause the generation of revenue would supposedly not be 100 percent optimised if the hispanic and latino community don't comprise a significant portion of the demographic population?

[adislav123]

Canelo usually competes in venues located in Texas, Nevada and New York

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quit playin' man!?? for real!??? was my initial reaction to what seemed to make zero sense. i mean why ffs sake would the mexican boxing messiah fight at those obscure locations. why???? just why???

farfetched, unsubstantiated, based on hear say, it just didn't sound right!

why would he? how could he? he wouldn't! would he? no, no, no, he didn't! did he? did he really? could it be true? no! it couldn't! could it? why? why? why? why would he do that? no! he definetly wouldn't have done that!! fight usually in new york, texas, vegas???? noooooo way!!! that's what i thought!

i couldn't have been more in the wrong!

after thorough investigation into the subject and and extensive consultation of the internets (boxrec etcetera etcetera) plus meticulous double-, re- and cross checking-, it turned out that you're just on spot here!

i'm just not proud enuff to not admit it!
a god damn genius!!! is what you are mister!

sheer brilliance!

[Enlightened-One]

you're the man, eo!


BUT why would you restrict the global megastar canelo only to the us of a?

which locations all over the world should canelo's promoters think about twice to send their golden boy do his thing, cause the generation of revenue would supposedly not be 100 percent optimised if the hispanic and latino community don't comprise a significant portion of the demographic population?

WTF!

[caldo2025]

Simply put: a fight between boxing’s most famous Mexican, which is obviously Canelo, and a world champion from Texas competing in his own backyard, staged during Cinco De Mayo weekend, is going to be a massive commercial success.

It matters not WHERE Canelo fights because he’ll be guaranteed a crapload of money and PPV IS where he’s going to make his riches, not selling 75k tickets.

Canelo tends to fight in geographic locations where the Hispanics and Latinos comprise a significant portion of the demographic population.

Is that merely a coincidence or did the promoters intentionally stage the events in those venues to optimise revenue generation for themselves and their business partners?

I don’t know for certain the answer to this question, but generally-speaking, I usually don’t believe in coincidences when it comes to business decisions.

I feel that you’re correct in that it’s probably attractive for not only Canelo to be guaranteed a loyal fan base as the majority within the crowd but ticket sales would also sell most quickly for the brass putting on the show. Which means faster dough in the pockets for sure but I think that’s just where any monetary advantages end in terms of fight geography.

The bottom line is Canelo is an absolute world wide sports star now and he’s selling any venue out while also posting PPV numbers guaranteeing profits all around. He’s at Pebble Beach this week with a ton of fans following him from golf hole to hole. He’s a can’t miss in a sport that I feel is most difficult to be one. But sure, to your point, geography has some significance in terms of Canelo’s wants and comfort but I don’t feel that it has any great advantage monetarily. I could be wrong. I am a lot.

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[margaret thatcher]

ooh a fight vs bivol, not bad, bivol's style can be hard for canelo

[apollo creed]

Charlito must wait now.

Charlo vs Eubank Jr would be a good match.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Canelo ducked a massive payday there with the guys we want to see him in the ring with.. wow

[Ruthless-RKO]

Showtime's Espinoza: I Know Everyone Wanted Canelo-Charlo; I Still Want That, Too

“The reality is, you know, when a super fight like a Canelo versus Charlo fight falls apart, you just have to regroup, move to the next best thing – whether it’s, you know, it’s gonna be Munguia or, in this case, Sulecki,” Espinoza stated during a virtual press conference Tuesday to promote Showtime’s spring and early-summer schedule. “Sulecki is a proven contender, a veteran, only two losses to two of the best guys in the division, you know, in Danny Jacobs and [Demetrius Andrade]. So, you know, this is – I know everyone wanted Canelo-Charlo and, you know, I still want that, too. I know Jermall, more than anybody, wants that fight. But this is a really good alternative here, you know, and a quality test there in Houston.”

[maverick23]

Showtime's Espinoza: I Know Everyone Wanted Canelo-Charlo; I Still Want That, Too

“The reality is, you know, when a super fight like a Canelo versus Charlo fight falls apart, you just have to regroup, move to the next best thing – whether it’s, you know, it’s gonna be Munguia or, in this case, Sulecki,” Espinoza stated during a virtual press conference Tuesday to promote Showtime’s spring and early-summer schedule. “Sulecki is a proven contender, a veteran, only two losses to two of the best guys in the division, you know, in Danny Jacobs and [Demetrius Andrade]. So, you know, this is – I know everyone wanted Canelo-Charlo and, you know, I still want that, too. I know Jermall, more than anybody, wants that fight. But this is a really good alternative here, you know, and a quality test there in Houston.”

Espinoza loses all credibility for this statement when he says that Sulecki is a really good alternative to Canelo/Munguia.

[digzee]

canelo hasn't 'bigger fish to fry'. period.

he won't go near beterbiev or bivol nor smith.

i'd like to see exactly those fights too, but canelo's team isn't retarded. if theu proofed anything it's that they pick their fights wisely.

This didn't age well.

I love Canelo for taking the Bivol fight as it's high risk/low reward. If he wins he won't get the credit he deserves as Bivol isn't a big name and if he loses he'll get called a hypejob who lost to a nobody. The truth is Bivol is a fantastic boxer who is in his prime, if anybody from 168 to 175 beat Bivol it'd be their career best win.

I'm glad Charlo didn't get the fight as it'd be a mismatch, Charlo wouldn't last 6 rounds.

[Ruthless-RKO]

canelo hasn't 'bigger fish to fry'. period.

he won't go near beterbiev or bivol nor smith.

i'd like to see exactly those fights too, but canelo's team isn't retarded. if theu proofed anything it's that they pick their fights wisely.

This didn't age well.

I love Canelo for taking the Bivol fight as it's high risk/low reward. If he wins he won't get the credit he deserves as Bivol isn't a big name and if he loses he'll get called a hypejob who lost to a nobody. The truth is Bivol is a fantastic boxer who is in his prime, if anybody from 168 to 175 beat Bivol it'd be their career best win.

I'm glad Charlo didn't get the fight as it'd be a mismatch, Charlo wouldn't last 6 rounds.

He’ll still get rewarded.. plenty.

[digzee]

canelo hasn't 'bigger fish to fry'. period.

he won't go near beterbiev or bivol nor smith.

i'd like to see exactly those fights too, but canelo's team isn't retarded. if theu proofed anything it's that they pick their fights wisely.

This didn't age well.

I love Canelo for taking the Bivol fight as it's high risk/low reward. If he wins he won't get the credit he deserves as Bivol isn't a big name and if he loses he'll get called a hypejob who lost to a nobody. The truth is Bivol is a fantastic boxer who is in his prime, if anybody from 168 to 175 beat Bivol it'd be their career best win.

I'm glad Charlo didn't get the fight as it'd be a mismatch, Charlo wouldn't last 6 rounds.

He’ll still get rewarded.. plenty.

Yeh he'll get paid well but he'd get paid very well whoever he fights. He's chosen a tougher fight because he likes to test himself, I wish more fighters would do the same.

[Bandog]

canelo hasn't 'bigger fish to fry'. period.

he won't go near beterbiev or bivol nor smith.

i'd like to see exactly those fights too, but canelo's team isn't retarded. if theu proofed anything it's that they pick their fights wisely.

This didn't age well.

I love Canelo for taking the Bivol fight as it's high risk/low reward. If he wins he won't get the credit he deserves as Bivol isn't a big name and if he loses he'll get called a hypejob who lost to a nobody. The truth is Bivol is a fantastic boxer who is in his prime, if anybody from 168 to 175 beat Bivol it'd be their career best win.

I'm glad Charlo didn't get the fight as it'd be a mismatch, Charlo wouldn't last 6 rounds.

I agree, after Mall struggled with Montiel.

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Tom Brown: We Offered Canelo $45M For Charlo; $55M For Spence At 164 Or Benavidez At 168

“Props to Eddy Reynoso, the ‘Manager of the Year,’ for getting Canelo these huge paydays with the least risk,” Brown said. “He had him take the least risk for the most reward. Because he had a chance to fight a reigning world champion at 160 pounds in Charlo and he also had a chance to fight an undefeated, two-time former 168-pound champion in Benavidez. Or he could’ve fought the reigning welterweight champion. It was a $100 million deal.”

“Fortunately now for Matchroom and DAZN,” Brown said, “they’ll be able to ride our coattails from our last show with Canelo, which was not on an app. That show had the promotional muscle of both PBC and Showtime behind it. Because remember, prior to our show Canelo was kind of off of the public’s radar for six fights in a row on the app.

“We brought an American world champion [Plant] to him and put our promotional muscle behind it. And look, we did 800,000 buys in today’s world. We also had 16,500 people at MGM Grand, and we did an $18 million gate. Remember, he had 70,000-plus in Arlington and he did a $9 million gate.”

“Errol Spence is that next guy in boxing,” Brown said. “He’s already a pay-per-view star. He’s doing legitimate gates. And look, he has shown his mettle. He was willing to move up more than two weight divisions to fight Canelo, to bolster his legacy. It does show how special he really is and what a true champion he is.”

[Cent0089]

Still wanna see Canelo vs Charlo

[apollo creed]

Tom Brown: We Offered Canelo $45M For Charlo; $55M For Spence At 164 Or Benavidez At 168

“Props to Eddy Reynoso, the ‘Manager of the Year,’ for getting Canelo these huge paydays with the least risk,” Brown said. “He had him take the least risk for the most reward. Because he had a chance to fight a reigning world champion at 160 pounds in Charlo and he also had a chance to fight an undefeated, two-time former 168-pound champion in Benavidez. Or he could’ve fought the reigning welterweight champion. It was a $100 million deal.”

“Fortunately now for Matchroom and DAZN,” Brown said, “they’ll be able to ride our coattails from our last show with Canelo, which was not on an app. That show had the promotional muscle of both PBC and Showtime behind it. Because remember, prior to our show Canelo was kind of off of the public’s radar for six fights in a row on the app.

“We brought an American world champion [Plant] to him and put our promotional muscle behind it. And look, we did 800,000 buys in today’s world. We also had 16,500 people at MGM Grand, and we did an $18 million gate. Remember, he had 70,000-plus in Arlington and he did a $9 million gate.”

“Errol Spence is that next guy in boxing,” Brown said. “He’s already a pay-per-view star. He’s doing legitimate gates. And look, he has shown his mettle. He was willing to move up more than two weight divisions to fight Canelo, to bolster his legacy. It does show how special he really is and what a true champion he is.”

These guys would not do nothing for Canelo's legacy in the grand scheme of boxing history. Bivol would beat them at 168.

Who Benavidez beat at 168 ?

Who Charlito beat at 160-168?

Who Spence beat at 160 or 154 ?

Make Charlito vs Benavidez @ 168 or Spence vs Charlos at 154-160 and then you have some quality opponents for Canelo.

Btw, it doesn't mention if Canelo wwould've been contractually bound of these fights with PBC and take them all 3 ?

Canelo stated clearly that he wants to be a free agent and be in charge to take his own decisions.

[margaret thatcher]

with all that money they supposedly have , how about getting charlo and benavidez some half decent opponents at least lol

[Enlightened-One]

Tom Brown: We Offered Canelo $45M For Charlo; $55M For Spence At 164 Or Benavidez At 168

“Props to Eddy Reynoso, the ‘Manager of the Year,’ for getting Canelo these huge paydays with the least risk,” Brown said. “He had him take the least risk for the most reward. Because he had a chance to fight a reigning world champion at 160 pounds in Charlo and he also had a chance to fight an undefeated, two-time former 168-pound champion in Benavidez. Or he could’ve fought the reigning welterweight champion. It was a $100 million deal.”

“Fortunately now for Matchroom and DAZN,” Brown said, “they’ll be able to ride our coattails from our last show with Canelo, which was not on an app. That show had the promotional muscle of both PBC and Showtime behind it. Because remember, prior to our show Canelo was kind of off of the public’s radar for six fights in a row on the app.

“We brought an American world champion [Plant] to him and put our promotional muscle behind it. And look, we did 800,000 buys in today’s world. We also had 16,500 people at MGM Grand, and we did an $18 million gate. Remember, he had 70,000-plus in Arlington and he did a $9 million gate.”

“Errol Spence is that next guy in boxing,” Brown said. “He’s already a pay-per-view star. He’s doing legitimate gates. And look, he has shown his mettle. He was willing to move up more than two weight divisions to fight Canelo, to bolster his legacy. It does show how special he really is and what a true champion he is.”

Jermall Charlo, Errol Spence Jr. and David Benavidez would have only been undisputed super middleweight title defences for Canelo, with two of those guys not even considered natural 168lb-ers.

Whilst $100m for two title defences is clearly an impressive amount to pocket, it’s better for Canelo’s legacy to beat the likes of Bivol, Golovkin and Makabu.

All three of those guys would be competing in their natural habitat (yes, Golovkin as well), coupled with the fact Canelo would be given the opportunity to close a legacy-defining trilogy, capture a legitimate world title in a fifth weight class, and also commence the process for unifying the 175lbs weight division.

I suspect Canelo will probably agree to working with Top Rank next May, for a one-off one-bout deal, to face the winner of Beterbiev-Smith Jr., before inevitably signing the same $100m two-fight PBC deal he’s only just rejected.

Who knows how things will progress by then?

Errol Spence Jr. may have beaten Terence Crawford, and Jermall Charlo or David Benavidez might have either fought each other or Demetrius Andrade, to earn the right to challenge for Canelo’s undisputed world 168lbs crown?

In hindsight, Canelo did the right thing by taking the DAZN deal, because the PBC deal will still be there for him to sign next year… and the bouts against Jermall Charlo, Errol Spence Jr. and David Benavidez might be more meaningful by then.

[Ruthless-RKO]

with all that money they supposedly have , how about getting charlo and benavidez some half decent opponents at least lol

Who says they have that money?

They’d be projections and they’d rely on PPV’s would they?

[margaret thatcher]

theyd need some way to pay him those amounts regardless of how the ppvs did

maybe should get some of dat big al money to find these guys half decent fights more regularly