mickey1975 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2022, 12:07
And Matchroom pay less and Joyce is an Olympic silver medallist.
Fair enough.
Let’s say Enguema was fighting David Adeleye in a BT show. 6 rounder. Would he make the same, more or less?
Fisher and Adeleye both prospects. Decent domestic prospects but without much amateur background. But different promoters one of which, you say pays less.
Not more than 5, maybe 3.5k
Getting folk in from the continent who earn 500 quid at home is cheap enough, a few grand is big bucks.
mickey1975 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2022, 12:07
And Matchroom pay less and Joyce is an Olympic silver medallist.
Fair enough.
Let’s say Enguema was fighting David Adeleye in a BT show. 6 rounder. Would he make the same, more or less?
Fisher and Adeleye both prospects. Decent domestic prospects but without much amateur background. But different promoters one of which, you say pays less.
Not more than 5, maybe 3.5k
Getting folk in from the continent who earn 500 quid at home is cheap enough, a few grand is big bucks.
Fair one. Bit of an eye opener for me I have to say.
rob h wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 16:40
Sorry just don't see the hype.
He sells tickets
Can he sell them out of his hometown?
Obv he will sell more in the south east, but I'm sure he would take at least 500 with him to the Midlands, The North, Wales or Scotland.
Give him a penta continental fight and they will all go!
He is only just building momentum, if he can get a running going the numbers will increase.
if he can deliver in the ring his popularity will spread.........but as much as i find him a fun fighter, im not so confident he'll prove to be much. the big plus is that he's got lots of time on his side + is getting every advantage in the way of a good training team, top level promoter and favourable matching, etc. that can make a huge difference, although sometimes someone just doesnt have it anyway
its part of why he'll be fun to follow, i do get a sense that he's got that touch of vulnerability (not necessarily in durability)
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Feb 2022, 20:02
if he can deliver in the ring his popularity will spread.........but as much as i find him a fun fighter, im not so confident he'll prove to be much. the big plus is that he's got lots of time on his side + is getting every advantage in the way of a good training team, top level promoter and favourable matching, etc. that can make a huge difference, although sometimes someone just doesnt have it anyway
Obv he does have time on his side but from what I see so far I can't see him getting past Southern Area level.
Obv promoters can protect you but you have to improve. Benn has been well looked after but has consistently improved and is now well past British title level.
Eubank is now at fringe world title level whereas they are scouring the globe to find someone Hatton can beat!
The Spanish fella on Saturday wouldn't win a British title but is no mug, beating him will show improvement.
He isn’t selling boxing he is selling a night out. Boxing is just the side show.
It’s like a music festival, sure you can go see your favourite band at a sit down arena performance and hear there music better, but you have more fun eating drugs and staying up 3 days strait in the mud to mabey remember seeing your favourite band… allegedly…
Fair play hope he can milk the shit out of it and dosent get rushed just because he is making good money.
gregregegg wrote: ↑11 Feb 2022, 20:28
He isn’t selling boxing he is selling a night out. Boxing is just the side show.
It’s like a music festival, sure you can go see your favourite band at a sit down arena performance and hear there music better, but you have more fun eating drugs and staying up 3 days strait in the mud to mabey remember seeing your favourite band… allegedly…
Fair play hope he can milk the shit out of it and dosent get rushed just because he is making good money.
Yep.
To be honest if I lived local I’d 100% be up for a pub crawl ending with a night at the boxing. He’s got some minor celebs pushing him too (Olly Murs, Tom Skinner who was on the Apprentice) and if he wins well I’d imagine the bulk of the people who go will go again and more will follow.
His dad doing the pub crawls/selling the tickets and his mum doing the t-shirts just drives more loyalty with the fans. It’s really smart and I genuinely can’t remember a fighter at his level selling so many tickets. Not even AJ would have sold so many after 4 fights.
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 04:38
AJ has probably never sold one from his hand.
You’re probably right but how many people bought tickets at the box office to pretty much solely see him fight in his fourth or fifth fight? Will probably be a few hundred I’d have thought.
gregregegg wrote: ↑11 Feb 2022, 20:28
He isn’t selling boxing he is selling a night out. Boxing is just the side show.
It’s like a music festival, sure you can go see your favourite band at a sit down arena performance and hear there music better, but you have more fun eating drugs and staying up 3 days strait in the mud to mabey remember seeing your favourite band… allegedly…
Fair play hope he can milk the shit out of it and dosent get rushed just because he is making good money.
yep. some old school vibes everywhere on this Fisher story
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 04:38
AJ has probably never sold one from his hand.
You’re probably right but how many people bought tickets at the box office to pretty much solely see him fight in his fourth or fifth fight? Will probably be a few hundred I’d have thought.
More than that. He was a celebrated gold medalist in a home Olympics, mainstream TV appearances, radio talk shows, the works. And shortly after he got his OBE and more publicity.
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 04:38
AJ has probably never sold one from his hand.
You’re probably right but how many people bought tickets at the box office to pretty much solely see him fight in his fourth or fifth fight? Will probably be a few hundred I’d have thought.
More than that. He was a celebrated gold medalist in a home Olympics, mainstream TV appearances, radio talk shows, the works. And shortly after he got his OBE and more publicity.
I can see him being a Dave Allen level. But I don't mean to be harsh on him. I just wasn't that impressed. Power to him if he can grt any money out of the game.
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 04:38
AJ has probably never sold one from his hand.
You’re probably right but how many people bought tickets at the box office to pretty much solely see him fight in his fourth or fifth fight? Will probably be a few hundred I’d have thought.
More than that. He was a celebrated gold medalist in a home Olympics, mainstream TV appearances, radio talk shows, the works. And shortly after he got his OBE and more publicity.
He only started to sell tickets at the box office when he stepped up his competition a little bit - it was probably around the Johnson/Cornish fights.
I saw live 3/4 of his first 10 fights live and the fans there were into it as AJ had always looked great back then but I would imagine few of them bought their tickets just to see him like they do with Fisher.
I'm guessing he should win an English Title, maybe a British - with some BIG MASSIVE IFS in improvement. Like Mags says it makes a huge difference having your career plotted by a crack management team with every advantage in sparring, coaching and whatnot.
But even around that level he can be in some great fights and make money if he has a fanbase. You don't watch the Champions League final every Saturday do you.
There's a ton of sub Area - up to English fights I'd like to see him in.
Babic, Robinson, whatsisname who bites people, "let off some steam" Bennett etc. etc.
In fact Mags and Mickey should be able to plot his next 8 learning fights in order as well as anyone - challenge !
I'd put on a next gen show in Brentwood with him topping against a very beatable foreigner. Totally sold out, one round job, the fans don't have to travel, it will be like Boxing Towie, but with BOSH T Shirts on.
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 11:53
I'd put on a next gen show in Brentwood with him topping against a very beatable foreigner. Totally sold out, one round job, the fans don't have to travel, it will be like Boxing Towie, but with BOSH T Shirts on.
Gotta make hay when the sun shines!
And also the novices need 3 years in the gym as an apprenticeship, fights shouldn't be risky, they are learning about coping with the pressure and putting what you have learned into practice.
Often these first few years are an investment for the promoter.
In this case in the next couple of years, both Eddie and Fisher can cash in big.
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Feb 2022, 11:53
I'd put on a next gen show in Brentwood with him topping against a very beatable foreigner. Totally sold out, one round job, the fans don't have to travel, it will be like Boxing Towie, but with BOSH T Shirts on.
Gotta make hay when the sun shines!
And also the novices need 3 years in the gym as an apprenticeship, fights shouldn't be risky, they are learning about coping with the pressure and putting what you have learned into practice.
Often these first few years are an investment for the promoter.
In this case in the next couple of years, both Eddie and Fisher can cash in big.
You just know when they've got a real good one. Naz, Hatton, Fury... they would have thrown them in with anyone after a few bouts. My guy Hopey has a soft touch tonight but he's meant to be getting a good one next month.
problem they have is he's 22, almost no amateur experience, 5 fights under his belt and a pretty big fanbase (bringing in $$$) that want to be entertained. they need to be taking it slow if there's to be a chance of any serious career. maybe his fans will be happy seeing him skittling tomato cans for a year or two anyway, most seemed too smashed to really care.
