Amir Khan vs. Kell Brook | Sky Sports PPV - 19 February 2022

[Ruthless-RKO]

Not the best but his resumes up there with the best UK's had to offer, a genuine star in America, also probably the quickest we've ever had and have we ever had a teenager medal at Olympics before??

Also won his first world title at 21 years old.

Has any other Brit boxer won it earlier?

[polecateddy]

Not the best but his resumes up there with the best UK's had to offer, a genuine star in America, also probably the quickest we've ever had and have we ever had a teenager medal at Olympics before??

Also won his first world title at 21 years old.

Has any other Brit boxer won it earlier?

Naz was 21 I think. And far more talented.

[jimmystone]

Not the best but his resumes up there with the best UK's had to offer, a genuine star in America, also probably the quickest we've ever had and have we ever had a teenager medal at Olympics before??

Also won his first world title at 21 years old.

Has any other Brit boxer won it earlier?

Teddy Baldock won the world bantamweight title when he was 19.

[margaret thatcher]

would danny garcia make the all time british top 10 if he were a brit? what about shawn porter?

to me khan is around those guys level, not quite what id call 'great' but very good

[margaret thatcher]

khan was 22 and a half when he beat kotelnik

[Ruthless-RKO]

Not the best but his resumes up there with the best UK's had to offer, a genuine star in America, also probably the quickest we've ever had and have we ever had a teenager medal at Olympics before??

Also won his first world title at 21 years old.

Has any other Brit boxer won it earlier?

Naz was 21 I think. And far more talented.

He was something else wasn’t he.

Had similar longevity, retired at 28.. but he had achieved much more. Unified and all that.

[polecateddy]

would danny garcia make the all time british top 10 if he were a brit

He would just be another good light-welter on our books. Would he have trained as hard in the UK though? Poverty is a motivator.

[Dioufy]

would danny garcia make the all time british top 10 if he were a brit

You pick 10 boxers and I’ll find bad performances/defeats that can be used as mitigation on why they shouldn’t be in the top 10.
It’s all about opinions and in my opinion Khan’s 18 years in boxing gets him in there.
17 year old Olympic silver.
21 year old beat solid current world champion.
Unified champion.
Big wins, big losses.
Beaten 10 former world champions.
Incredible longevity.

But lacks power and was put down by Willie Limond so scrap all that.

[margaret thatcher]

khan, danny garcia, shawn porter, maybe peterson...........think it's fair to say that's about the level of very good but not great. is that an insult or something?

i mean, billy dib counts as a former world champ so a lot of those numbers only mean so much. the amateurs im not really considering

[Dioufy]

khan, danny garcia, shawn porter, maybe peterson...........think it's fair to say that's about the level of very good but not great. is that an insult or something?

i mean, billy dib counts as a former world champ so a lot of those numbers only mean so much. the amateurs im not really considering

I never used the word great at all. I don’t think we have all too many greats but he deserves top 10 in my opinion.
I’m definitely curious to see your top 10 though.

[margaret thatcher]

never said you did, i'm saying i rate khan as very good but not great and for some reason it seems to bother you a bit

i'll have to do a top 10 sometime, some spots i couldnt decide one guy over the other off the top. khan for me would probably rate in the same grouping as,, say, aj at the moment. khan has a lot of good wins, but a bit of a patchy record and i dont think he was ever #1 in a division. i never rated him as a p4p top 10 boxer in the world but he was always clearly much better than the average contender or abc title holder

[handsofstone]

...and have we ever had a teenager medal at Olympics before??

Yes. Terry Spinks.

I did think he might be actually

[tony1234]

Interesting the hype around the fight today, noticed the Sun had an 8 page supplement with the football and racing pull out in the middle. Sky Sport News have been on about it all morning too, can see this doing well on PPV as people staying in due to the weather and fork out for the fight.
I wasn't going to buy it but now I will which is what promoting is all about, making the undecided fork out

[Dioufy]

never said you did, i'm saying i rate khan as very good but not great and for some reason it seems to bother you a bit

i'll have to do a top 10 sometime, some spots i couldnt decide one guy over the other off the top. khan for me would probably rate in the same grouping as aj.

I’m not bothered by it or insulted. It’s just a debate about something we disagree on. I’m not that sensitive over it.
I just feel Khan and his career have been underrated and small things picked at, like “lack of power” or the Garcia KO (he was a very good fighter… no shame in the defeat or manner of it).
I can see people not having him in their top 10 but I think they’re swayed by the fact he’s an incredibly dislikeable person.
His ny-on 20 years in the sport have been tremendous and they way he’s come back from big adversity should be admired. We have many very good fighters who couldn’t come back from a humbling defeat.
I hope I’ve not come across as woke again. I’m northern so would kill my imagine.

[polecateddy]

I think Khan’s peak was that block of 6 fights from Kotelnik in 2009 to Judah in 2011. After that it was either loses or good match making keeping him going. Since Canelo nearly 6 years ago he’s been effectively in a state of semi-retirement. I can’t see tonight going very well for him, which is probably now reflected by the bookmakers.

[margaret thatcher]

I think Khan’s peak was that block of 6 fights from Kotelnik in 2009 to Judah in 2011. After that it was either loses or good match making keeping him going. Since Canelo nearly 6 years ago he’s been effectively in a state of semi-retirement. I can’t see tonight going very well for him, which is probably now reflected by the bookmakers.

ya, there's 3 years out, but people also forget he had a 'comeback' prior to that when he came back after 2 years off as well. i just think he's been semi retired at best for a while, that as a speed based fighter that's espepcially bad. i wont be surprised if he looks awful and i am pretty confident he's getting beat

[margaret thatcher]

never said you did, i'm saying i rate khan as very good but not great and for some reason it seems to bother you a bit

i'll have to do a top 10 sometime, some spots i couldnt decide one guy over the other off the top. khan for me would probably rate in the same grouping as aj.

I’m not bothered by it or insulted. It’s just a debate about something we disagree on. I’m not that sensitive over it.
I just feel Khan and his career have been underrated and small things picked at, like “lack of power” or the Garcia KO (he was a very good fighter… no shame in the defeat or manner of it).
I can see people not having him in their top 10 but I think they’re swayed by the fact he’s an incredibly dislikeable person.
His ny-on 20 years in the sport have been tremendous and they way he’s come back from big adversity should be admired. We have many very good fighters who couldn’t come back from a humbling defeat.
I hope I’ve not come across as woke again. I’m northern so would kill my imagine.

fair enough , he's defo had a very good career

[Boxerbeetle]

I think Khan’s truly appalling chin keeps him way out of a P4P British top 10. Not his fault obviously, it’s not really something he could have ever done anything about, other than going completely defensive which probably just would have resulted in a worse career and fewer opportunities.

[Dioufy]

I think Khan’s truly appalling chin keeps him way out of a P4P British top 10. Not his fault obviously, it’s not really something he could have ever done anything about, other than going completely defensive which probably just would have resulted in a worse career and fewer opportunities.

I’ve seen far worse chins. From light welter his chin wasn’t the worst. Look at the 10th round against Maidana. And all of his knockouts were savage apart from when he quit against Crawford.
At 135lbs his chin was shocking. I think it got a lot better when he moved up.
I remember people fearing for Amir’s life when he first went to light welter.
It was by no means the sturdiest but I don’t think it’s been appalling.

[margaret thatcher]

well chins are a funny thing. he did stay up in that torrid round vs maidana, yet got dropped by several lesser hitting guys. in fact i dont think garcia, crawford, or prescott hit harder than maidana either. wonder how amir stood up so well in that round 10?

i think his chin was pretty bad in terms of how easy it was to hurt him if you landed. but he did have good recovery and super fast movement also helped him get out of the way when hurt.

[Boxerbeetle]

I think Khan’s truly appalling chin keeps him way out of a P4P British top 10. Not his fault obviously, it’s not really something he could have ever done anything about, other than going completely defensive which probably just would have resulted in a worse career and fewer opportunities.

I’ve seen far worse chins. From light welter his chin wasn’t the worst. Look at the 10th round against Maidana. And all of his knockouts were savage apart from when he quit against Crawford.
At 135lbs his chin was shocking. I think it got a lot better when he moved up.
I remember people fearing for Amir’s life when he first went to light welter.
It was by no means the sturdiest but I don’t think it’s been appalling.

I can’t really think of many boxers with worse chins. Price maybe? Otherwise I’m really struggling.

[Dioufy]

I feel if Khan’s chin was “appalling” considering who he has fought his record would be 20(12)-20(20).

[Boxerbeetle]

Yeah but Khan has a lot of other skills which negate it, particularly hand speed and movement. To his credit, he rarely takes shots flush, but nearly every time he does he looks incredibly fragile.

Similar to RJJ I suppose, just on a lower level - no-one really knew how bad his chin was until he slowed down in later years and became victim of multiple highlight reel ko’s.

[Ruthless-RKO]

well chins are a funny thing. he did stay up in that torrid round vs maidana, yet got dropped by several lesser hitting guys. in fact i dont think garcia, crawford, or prescott hit harder than maidana either. wonder how amir stood up so well in that round 10?

i think his chin was pretty bad in terms of how easy it was to hurt him if you landed. but he did have good recovery and super fast movement also helped him get out of the way when hurt.

People forget the Garcia KD. That wasn’t a chin shot if I remember correctly.

That was an ear shot, which as we know can fornicate anyone up. I’ve not watched it back for a while so I’m going off memory.

Crawford dropped him one in rd1, seemed like he didn’t know where he was for a few seconds. Crawford was slick on his movement there.

He’s taken some solid shots in his career. You can’t stay up from them all unfortunately.

The Canelo KO would have dropped a dinosaur, never mind Khan.

Tonight we have the most unpredictable in British Boxing. So many ways it can go.

[margaret thatcher]

he's been dropped i think a dozen times and hurt plenty more, including by non punchers, even sam vargas. among his stoppage losses are a 55 second smashing and another being laid totally flat out. off the top of my head i dont remember danny garcia koing any other high level fighter like he did to khan

it's a weak chin for sure imo, but it's not at the absolute lowest level where he can't take anything, and his recovery + movement when hurt is good and helps keep him protected

i do think khan gets beaten up tonight, but there's that 'will brook's face fall apart' question mark. i think probably not.