John Duddy

[Druid]

I'm not saying you don't have the right to an opinion, it's just obvious that it's not going to be changed just because you want it to and he has the right to keep it the way he wants.

That was a suggestion to if you want it changed.

This record needs to be changed to be accurate. Why is it that everyone who wants this record to stay the same assumes anyone wanting the record to be accurate dislikes the site or is doing it for personal reasons. Isn't it obvious that the reason we want ALL records to reflect true information is that we like this site in general and want it to have credibility. It is very strange that the people who run this site refuse in the face of overwhelming facts to correct this record. One has to wonder what the motivation is!

[Max Molyneux]

I'm not saying you don't have the right to an opinion, it's just obvious that it's not going to be changed just because you want it to and he has the right to keep it the way he wants.

That was a suggestion to if you want it changed.

This record needs to be changed to be accurate. Why is it that everyone who wants this record to stay the same assumes anyone wanting the record to be accurate dislikes the site or is doing it for personal reasons. Isn't it obvious that the reason we want ALL records to reflect true information is that we like this site in general and want it to have credibility. It is very strange that the people who run this site refuse in the face of overwhelming facts to correct this record. One has to wonder what the motivation is!

Erm I didn't say you dislike the place or doing it for personal reasons.

His birthplace is what boxrec record as his nationality.

[Max Molyneux]

Please do not call me a moron for my opinions. I do not say the same to you.

I am not a bigot.

I do not see a persons nationality through a piece of paper, it's the way I've always been and I don't feel that they'd be from somewhere if there not born there either.

They had Kostya Tszyu down as Russian until someone complained they already said that.

Barry Mc Guigan is down as Irish yet had a British Passport, mistakes can be made you know.

[BigEars]

Please do not call me a moron for my opinions. I do not say the same to you.

I am not a bigot.

I do not see a persons nationality through a piece of paper, it's the way I've always been and I don't feel that they'd be from somewhere if there not born there either.

They had Kostya Tszyu down as Russian until someone complained they already said that.

Barry Mc Guigan is down as Irish yet had a British Passport, mistakes can be made you know.

Max you view all Puerto Ricans as American , so simply put your not the best person to be involved in this conversation .

[slapbangwhallop]

Barry Mc Guigan is down as Irish yet had a British Passport.

thats the first I heard of it!

Nice to see you ignore each of the four points that I listed - as usual you ignore reason.

[Max Molyneux]

Barry Mc Guigan is down as Irish yet had a British Passport.

thats the first I heard of it!

Nice to see you ignore each of the four points that I listed - as usual you ignore reason.

Errm don't make assumptions, I said mistakes can be made for the four. John;s not the only one who sorts out the records as there are Editors you know so some of it could be something to do with another editor.

As usual your arragont against someones elses opinion.

Max you view all Puerto Ricans as American , so simply put your not the best person to be involved in this conversation .

Doesn't mean I can;t get involved. On Paper he's Irish, on Birthplace he's Northern Irish and British like I'm English and British.

[Max Molyneux]

It's part of the Uk which we mostly just call Britain.

Anyone from Northern Ireland shares the same Union Jack flag.

Boxrecs criteria mostly seems to go off where there born in most cases except for the 4 he's Sligho's mentioned and for people like Mc Cullough.

Theres loads of editors though so that might be any of their work.

[BigEars]

It's part of the Uk which we mostly just call Britain.

Anyone from Northern Ireland shares the same Union Jack flag.

Boxrecs criteria mostly seems to go off where there born in most cases except for the 4 he's Sligho's mentioned and for people like Mc Cullough.

Theres loads of editors though so that might be any of their work.

Which yee mostly incorrectly call Britain , most people thought the earth was flat but it sure as hell wasn't .

The Union Jack Flag is the flag of the UK(which NI is in) so of course it has it .
There is a great Britain flag which is slightly different though(missing the white trim around the red stripes) indicating that there is a difference between the UK and GB which there obviously is .

In most cases people have citizenship of where they are born but there are many more than the 4 cases mentioned you will find a lot more with out having to look too hard .

And finally Max , we already had most of this conversation on East Side Boxing , we explained everything to you but you've come back with the same argument despite many of your idea's being proved wrong or just downright silly .

[Max Molyneux]

I only think that he's Irish on paper.

I see peoples nationality of where they were born in always have andwouldn't feel right to see them as what there passport says.

Soby your logic Tszyu's Australian when he's clearly Russian.

[slapbangwhallop]

It's part of the Uk which we mostly just call Britain.

Anyone from Northern Ireland shares the same Union Jack flag.

Boxrecs criteria mostly seems to go off where there born in most cases except for the 4 he's Sligho's mentioned and for people like Mc Cullough.

Theres loads of editors though so that might be any of their work.

Which yee mostly incorrectly call Britain , most people thought the earth was flat but it sure as hell wasn't .

The Union Jack Flag is the flag of the UK(which NI is in) so of course it has it .
There is a great Britain flag which is slightly different though(missing the white trim around the red stripes) indicating that there is a difference between the UK and GB which there obviously is .

In most cases people have citizenship of where they are born but there are many more than the 4 cases mentioned you will find a lot more with out having to look too hard .

And finally Max , we already had most of this conversation on East Side Boxing , we explained everything to you but you've come back with the same argument despite many of your idea's being proved wrong or just downright silly .

Max,

We went through this with you on Eastside - are you totally stupid or didn't you understand it there either? Do you want me to post a link to that discussion to show everyone how stupid and illogical the workings of your little mind actually is!

You know the reason that you can be a citizen or Ireland or the UK if you are from northern Ireland - its called the Good Friday Agreement - either read and understand the points already made or don't post.

In addition to that, the nationality of the four boxers isn't by a mistake there are reasons. Boxrec is well aware of these boxers and a decision was made on each of there nationalities.

1. Michael Armstrong aka Michael Gomez is listed as British as he grow up in Manchester as his family moved over to Manchester when he was young - so Boxrec are not classifying nationality on where you are born.

2. Kostya Tsyzu is down as Aussie as he has renounced his Russian citizenship and taken up Australian citizenship as he stayed in Oz after the Sydney Olympics even though he grew up and fought in the Soviet Union and won his first title as a Russian - so Boxrec are not classifying nationality on where you are grew up, where you first boxed or where you claimed nationality when you born.

3. Perkovic is down as a Croat as the legal status of that country has now changed since he first boxed. He grew up fighting in Yugoslavia but now legal status of that country has changed and he can be called Croatian. Therefore Boxrec is recognising that the legal status of countries change and they are altering nationality in line with this. For example you will now see boxers from Montenegro listed as Montenegran, where before that they would have previously be recorded as Serbian Montenegran and before that Yugoslavian. The legal status of Northern Ireland has now changed due to the Good Friday Agreement.

4. Klitschko is listed as a Ukrainian, however he fought going up within the Soviet Union but the legal status of the Soviet Union has changed so he should be listed as being from Krgyzstan and that is where he was born and grew up and boxed. However, his father was a member of the Soviet army and the family are ethnic Ukrainians. so again Boxrec are not classifying nationality on where you are born and in this case are acknowledging ethnicity.

The details of these boxers (and there are many more I could list) highlight how crazy the situation is. Why don't Boxrec outline the criteria for stating a boxers nationality, if they did and it was consistent then we would be able to end this argument. However, in this case it seems that Irish fight fans are being totally disrespected by Boxrec.

[Max Molyneux]

Listen, I stand by how I see nationalities and I still could never see anyone as what there passport tells them unless they were born in the area..

Those 4 I explained.

Mc Guigan's down as Irish yet he had a British passport, it's probably the work of other editors or depending on the editors standards not boxrecs standards of recording records.

I see Tyszu as Russian.

Gomez as Irish.

The Klitschko's as Krgyzstan.

Mistakes are made, like I said why isn't Mc Guigan down as a Brit when he has a Brit passport? It's probably the work of other editors.

They had Tszyu down as Russian until Australians complain, John posted that.

[Freiheit]

The Klitschko's as Krgyzstan.

Only Vitali is born in Krgyzstan, Wladimir is born in Kazakhstan.

[slapbangwhallop]

Listen, I stand by how I see nationalities and I still could never see anyone as what there passport tells them unless they were born in the area.

Those 4 I explained.

Mc Guigan's down as Irish yet he had a British passport, it's probably the work of other editors or depending on the editors standards not boxrecs standards of recording records.

I see Tyszu as Russian.

Gomez as Irish.

The Klitschko's as Krgyzstan.

Mistakes are made, like I said why isn't Mc Guigan down as a Brit when he has a Brit passport? It's probably the work of other editors.

They had Tszyu down as Russian until Australians complain, John posted that.

You stand by how you see it, thats fine, we are not arguing about how you see it even though you are wrong! What we are discussing here is how Boxrec formulates a boxers nationality - what system do THEY use. What you think in your own little mind is imaterial to this discussion - we are trying to deal in facts not points of view.

P.S. McGuigan took a British passport as a matter of convenience as he was informed that he wouldn't get a world title shot without the British belt, I am not sure he still holds a British passport. AFAIK Boxrec ignores moves of this nature also.

[slapbangwhallop]

The Klitschko's as Krgyzstan.

Only Vitali is born in Krgyzstan, Wladimir is born in Kazakhstan.

Sorry for the confusion - If you read my first post regarding the Klitschko's you will see I was refering to Vitali.

[Max Molyneux]

I am not wrong, he was born in Northern Ireland. Londonderry is part of here and part of the commonwealth.

P.S. McGuigan took a British passport as a matter of convenience as he was informed that he wouldn't get a world title shot without the British belt, I am not sure he still holds a British passport. AFAIK Boxrec ignores moves of this nature also.

Thats crap, why did he fight in the commonwealth games then as an amatuer?

[slapbangwhallop]

I am not wrong, he was born in Northern Ireland. Londonderry is part of here and part of the commonwealth.

P.S. McGuigan took a British passport as a matter of convenience as he was informed that he wouldn't get a world title shot without the British belt, I am not sure he still holds a British passport. AFAIK Boxrec ignores moves of this nature also.

Thats crap, why did he fight in the commonwealth games then as an amatuer?

Jesus christ - please ban this guy due to his excessively high levels of idiocy!!

[slapbangwhallop]

I am not wrong, he was born in Northern Ireland. Londonderry is part of here and part of the commonwealth.

P.S. McGuigan took a British passport as a matter of convenience as he was informed that he wouldn't get a world title shot without the British belt, I am not sure he still holds a British passport. AFAIK Boxrec ignores moves of this nature also.

Thats crap, why did he fight in the commonwealth games then as an amatuer?

This thread is not about McGuigan - but as far AFAIK McGuigan took British citizenship to further his career and this was after he had already been Irish amatuer champion.

[S.M.H]

I know Max Mol and he just loves an arguement with the Irish on this subject, im sure he realises the truth of the matter...


I been Irish feel hurt by the ignorance of Boxrecs stafff on this matter..

[Max Molyneux]

I am not wrong, he was born in Northern Ireland. Londonderry is part of here and part of the commonwealth.

P.S. McGuigan took a British passport as a matter of convenience as he was informed that he wouldn't get a world title shot without the British belt, I am not sure he still holds a British passport. AFAIK Boxrec ignores moves of this nature also.

Thats crap, why did he fight in the commonwealth games then as an amatuer?

Jesus christ - please ban this guy due to his excessively high levels of idiocy!!

See why I steriotyped you on ESB.

[slapbangwhallop]

I am not wrong, he was born in Northern Ireland. Londonderry is part of here and part of the commonwealth.
Thats crap, why did he fight in the commonwealth games then as an amatuer?

Jesus christ - please ban this guy due to his excessively high levels of idiocy!!

See why I steriotyped you on ESB.

Yes, because I put forward a reasoned logical point of view back up with facts and I’m not a poorly educated clown who can’t understand even the most basic of principles

[Max Molyneux]

Erm no,because you demeaned me for my opinions.

Hypocritical of you to call anyone poorly educated.

[Max Molyneux]

They had Tszyu down as Russian and then changed it, I remember that. John also explained how they gave in to Australian posters because Tszyu bases himself there.

[Max Molyneux]

You've shown me the same link a few times and I'd just give you the same answer to why I don't and can;t inside see them as what they legally want to be.

Guess out of respect I wouldn't tell them that as people are easily offended when it comes to nationality as shown.

[nadurtha_1]

Is boxrec the only boxing website that post the boxer's information?

[Druid]

Is boxrec the only boxing website that post the boxer's information?

Why, looking for an alternative?