Sergey Kovalev vs. Meng Fanlong | Triller - OFF

[oogiebe]

OK, so can you please explain the reason why you seriously believe BoxRec’s rating points to be a reliable and a factually accurate barometer to determine a fighter’s pugilistic ability?

But before you answer, please review their current pound-for-pound ratings.

BoxRecs P4P is crap, but their rating system isn't too bad. His points were well thought out and researched. Stop being a twat.

Do you seriously believe that Fanlong Meng possesses a good resume and deserves to be considered a top-ten world-rated fighter?

Do you believe his resume isn’t padded, in the context of Meng being a 34 year old that’s been competing in the pro ranks for more than seven years?

If the answer is no to both questions, then to use your own words, you’re the so-called “twat” for interrupting a discussion you haven’t even been following.

Yup, you're a twat.

[Enlightened-One]

BoxRecs P4P is crap, but their rating system isn't too bad. His points were well thought out and researched. Stop being a twat.

Do you seriously believe that Fanlong Meng possesses a good resume and deserves to be considered a top-ten world-rated fighter?

Do you believe his resume isn’t padded, in the context of Meng being a 34 year old that’s been competing in the pro ranks for more than seven years?

If the answer is no to both questions, then to use your own words, you’re the so-called “twat” for interrupting a discussion you haven’t even been following.

Yup, you're a twat.

At least you’re on my side, because you’re not stupid enough to defend the indefensible (i.e. since you’re refusing to claim that Meng’s resume isn’t padded).

So on this occasion, I prefer the insult.

[Evander]

Can't say I feel as confident as I once did about Kovalev's chin, he looked borderline shot against Canelo.

[oogiebe]

Do you seriously believe that Fanlong Meng possesses a good resume and deserves to be considered a top-ten world-rated fighter?

Do you believe his resume isn’t padded, in the context of Meng being a 34 year old that’s been competing in the pro ranks for more than seven years?

If the answer is no to both questions, then to use your own words, you’re the so-called “twat” for interrupting a discussion you haven’t even been following.

Yup, you're a twat.

At least you’re on my side, because you’re not stupid enough to defend the indefensible (i.e. since you’re refusing to claim that Meng’s resume isn’t padded).

So on this occasion, I prefer the insult.

I'm not commenting on that aspect of your 'debate.' That doesn't interest me. Lackeos' use of BoxRec division ranking system was fine. You didn't like it because you don't like anything that remotely disproves your own arguments. For that, you are a twat. So enjoy it.

[lazboy]

Death, taxes and EO being a dumb twat.

[oogiebe]

Death, taxes and EO being a dumb twat.

[Lackeos]

OK, so can you please explain the reason why you seriously believe BoxRec’s rating points to be a reliable and a factually accurate barometer to determine a fighter’s pugilistic ability?

They might not be perfectly accurate, but they're objective. And I'd much sooner go by objective ratings than your ratings. Especially since I seriously doubt that you have the capacity to accurately distinguish the exact level of fighters like Gasan Gasanov. Is Gasan truly #30 or is he #50? How many of his fights have you watched? Or to trust your ability to gauge the exact difference in ability between Adnan Buharalija and Ivica Perkovic. Even if I trusted it, in order to school you on record-padding like I did, I'd first have to ask you to cite your personal rating of like 400 fighters, hope that you're accurate, and trust that you won't fudge the numbers so that they don't defeat your own position. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the computerized rankings on this one. Or would you prefer that I use my own personal ratings to quantify every single opponent on the resumes of the 20 different fighters that I mentioned? Maybe we can use our own subjective ratings when we're talking about well-watched fighters like Muhammad Ali and Manny Pacquiao, that we might have some common understanding of. But it would be ridiculous to try to apply our own subjective ratings to measure EXACTLY how good Ilhan Dzafic and Bekim Pergega are. Turn off the computerized ratings and no two people are going to be able to agree on that.

Do you seriously believe that Fanlong Meng possesses a good resume and deserves to be considered a top-ten world-rated fighter?

This goes back to moving the goalposts. The subject is whether his record is padded. I don't even give a sh*t about this whole Kovalev vs Meng thread. I'm only interested in accurately defining terminology like record-padding.

[The Gratest]

Can't say I feel as confident as I once did about Kovalev's chin, he looked borderline shot against Canelo.

He was killing himself to get those final few pounds off down to 175lbs mate. That would leave him weakened and wobbly.
The additional weight might help him look and feel more solid, but at his age and out of the ring lifestyle, it might not matter.

Klimas said that Kovalev, who has had his fair share of out-of-the-ring troubles in recent years, has struggled to reach the light heavyweight limit in his last several fights.

“At 175 he was struggling all the time,” Klimas said, adding that Kovalev walks around at 200 pounds. “Most of the weakness for him was to do 175. Sometimes even in the morning, before the weigh-in, he goes to the sauna, he leaves everything out of him to lose that weight.

“He’s good for seven, eight rounds, then he’s done. Even against Canelo. Look what he did with Canelo in the beginning. Then he just drained. He has no power. In the 11th round he was already like [wobbly].”

[Evander]

Can't say I feel as confident as I once did about Kovalev's chin, he looked borderline shot against Canelo.

He was killing himself to get those final few pounds off down to 175lbs mate. That would leave him weakened and wobbly.
The additional weight might help him look and feel more solid, but at his age and out of the ring lifestyle, it might not matter.

Klimas said that Kovalev, who has had his fair share of out-of-the-ring troubles in recent years, has struggled to reach the light heavyweight limit in his last several fights.

“At 175 he was struggling all the time,” Klimas said, adding that Kovalev walks around at 200 pounds. “Most of the weakness for him was to do 175. Sometimes even in the morning, before the weigh-in, he goes to the sauna, he leaves everything out of him to lose that weight.

“He’s good for seven, eight rounds, then he’s done. Even against Canelo. Look what he did with Canelo in the beginning. Then he just drained. He has no power. In the 11th round he was already like [wobbly].”

Getting the final pounds off to make 175 suggests either one of two things.
He's done at Light Heavy and is just holding off on the move up to Cruiserweight, but it's a considerable jump up in weight and can he perform up there.
Or secondly, he's too undisciplined to make 175 anyways.
They touched on that during Kovalev Ward 1 and 2.
Didn't Andre politely mention something like he has some bad habits.
Sergey was red hot up to Ward 1 and deserved to win that fight, then he started to slip.
Let's see what happens.

[The Gratest]

Can't say I feel as confident as I once did about Kovalev's chin, he looked borderline shot against Canelo.

He was killing himself to get those final few pounds off down to 175lbs mate. That would leave him weakened and wobbly.
The additional weight might help him look and feel more solid, but at his age and out of the ring lifestyle, it might not matter.

Klimas said that Kovalev, who has had his fair share of out-of-the-ring troubles in recent years, has struggled to reach the light heavyweight limit in his last several fights.

“At 175 he was struggling all the time,” Klimas said, adding that Kovalev walks around at 200 pounds. “Most of the weakness for him was to do 175. Sometimes even in the morning, before the weigh-in, he goes to the sauna, he leaves everything out of him to lose that weight.

“He’s good for seven, eight rounds, then he’s done. Even against Canelo. Look what he did with Canelo in the beginning. Then he just drained. He has no power. In the 11th round he was already like [wobbly].”

Getting the final pounds off to make 175 suggests either one of two things.
He's done at Light Heavy and is just holding off on the move up to Cruiserweight, but it's a considerable jump up in weight and can he perform up there.
Or secondly, he's too undisciplined to make 175 anyways.
They touched on that during Kovalev Ward 1 and 2.
Didn't Andre politely mention something like he has some bad habits.
Sergey was red hot up to Ward 1 and deserved to win that fight, then he started to slip.
Let's see what happens.

Yeah, he kept on forcibly rubbing his balls off Andre's gloves, the filthy bugger.

[Evander]

He was killing himself to get those final few pounds off down to 175lbs mate. That would leave him weakened and wobbly.
The additional weight might help him look and feel more solid, but at his age and out of the ring lifestyle, it might not matter.

Getting the final pounds off to make 175 suggests either one of two things.
He's done at Light Heavy and is just holding off on the move up to Cruiserweight, but it's a considerable jump up in weight and can he perform up there.
Or secondly, he's too undisciplined to make 175 anyways.
They touched on that during Kovalev Ward 1 and 2.
Didn't Andre politely mention something like he has some bad habits.
Sergey was red hot up to Ward 1 and deserved to win that fight, then he started to slip.
Let's see what happens.

Yeah, he kept on forcibly rubbing his balls off Andre's gloves, the filthy bugger.

The rematch, Yeah I'm picking up what you're putting down
Didn't look good did it.
However, Kovalev didn't look the same from the get go.

[Enlightened-One]

Can't say I feel as confident as I once did about Kovalev's chin, he looked borderline shot against Canelo.

He was killing himself to get those final few pounds off down to 175lbs mate. That would leave him weakened and wobbly.
The additional weight might help him look and feel more solid, but at his age and out of the ring lifestyle, it might not matter.

Klimas said that Kovalev, who has had his fair share of out-of-the-ring troubles in recent years, has struggled to reach the light heavyweight limit in his last several fights.

“At 175 he was struggling all the time,” Klimas said, adding that Kovalev walks around at 200 pounds. “Most of the weakness for him was to do 175. Sometimes even in the morning, before the weigh-in, he goes to the sauna, he leaves everything out of him to lose that weight.

“He’s good for seven, eight rounds, then he’s done. Even against Canelo. Look what he did with Canelo in the beginning. Then he just drained. He has no power. In the 11th round he was already like [wobbly].”

You’re unaware of Sergey Kovalev’s rehydrated ring weight history and also the video interviews he’s given to the media.

You’re making excuses based on fictional events that only occurred in your mind.

[The Gratest]

Can't say I feel as confident as I once did about Kovalev's chin, he looked borderline shot against Canelo.

He was killing himself to get those final few pounds off down to 175lbs mate. That would leave him weakened and wobbly.
The additional weight might help him look and feel more solid, but at his age and out of the ring lifestyle, it might not matter.

Klimas said that Kovalev, who has had his fair share of out-of-the-ring troubles in recent years, has struggled to reach the light heavyweight limit in his last several fights.

“At 175 he was struggling all the time,” Klimas said, adding that Kovalev walks around at 200 pounds. “Most of the weakness for him was to do 175. Sometimes even in the morning, before the weigh-in, he goes to the sauna, he leaves everything out of him to lose that weight.

“He’s good for seven, eight rounds, then he’s done. Even against Canelo. Look what he did with Canelo in the beginning. Then he just drained. He has no power. In the 11th round he was already like [wobbly].”

You’re unaware of Sergey Kovalev’s rehydrated ring weight history and also the video interviews he’s given to the media.

You’re making excuses based on fictional events that only occurred in your mind.

I saw the video you posted up, the one where you are unable to quote any meaningful statements from (no surprise there Precious!).
If you paid any attention to the video you'd realise that it was filmed just prior to his fight with Canelo. Now, you really must be even more niave and stupid than first thought if you think that, just prior to taking on one of the most astute boxing technicians of this generation, Kovalev is going to announce to everyone that he really struggles to make the 175lbs weight limit? You really think he's going to let a masterful puncher like Canelo know to go out and target his weak body?

Haha....hahahaha.....hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

OK, so you are new to boxing kid, thanks for confirming that. You now need to move back down a few levels from us subnormal intellectuals and pad your record before even attempting to challenge at this level again.

[Enlightened-One]

He was killing himself to get those final few pounds off down to 175lbs mate. That would leave him weakened and wobbly.
The additional weight might help him look and feel more solid, but at his age and out of the ring lifestyle, it might not matter.

You’re unaware of Sergey Kovalev’s rehydrated ring weight history and also the video interviews he’s given to the media.

You’re making excuses based on fictional events that only occurred in your mind.

I saw the video you posted up, the one where you are unable to quote any meaningful statements from (no surprise there Precious!).
If you paid any attention to the video you'd realise that it was filmed just prior to his fight with Canelo. Now, you really must be even more niave and stupid than first thought if you think that, just prior to taking on one of the most astute boxing technicians of this generation, Kovalev is going to announce to everyone that he really struggles to make the 175lbs weight limit? You really think he's going to let a masterful puncher like Canelo know to go out and target his weak body?

Haha....hahahaha.....hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

OK, so you are new to boxing kid, thanks for confirming that. You now need to move back down a few levels from us subnormal intellectuals and pad your record before even attempting to challenge at this level again.

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs (his words).

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Here’s a list of Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights against the following opponents:

• Eleider Alvarez (first fight) = 185lbs
• Nadjib Mohammedi = 183.5lbs
• Jean Pascal = 189lbs
• Bernard Hopkins = 188lbs
• Blake Caparello = 185lbs
• Cedric Agnew = 183lbs
• Ismayl Sillakh = 181lbs

I've also posted a video of Sergey Kovalev claiming he didn't have issues making weight, which you clearly haven't watched.

[The Gratest]

You’re unaware of Sergey Kovalev’s rehydrated ring weight history and also the video interviews he’s given to the media.

You’re making excuses based on fictional events that only occurred in your mind.

I saw the video you posted up, the one where you are unable to quote any meaningful statements from (no surprise there Precious!).
If you paid any attention to the video you'd realise that it was filmed just prior to his fight with Canelo. Now, you really must be even more niave and stupid than first thought if you think that, just prior to taking on one of the most astute boxing technicians of this generation, Kovalev is going to announce to everyone that he really struggles to make the 175lbs weight limit? You really think he's going to let a masterful puncher like Canelo know to go out and target his weak body?

Haha....hahahaha.....hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

OK, so you are new to boxing kid, thanks for confirming that. You now need to move back down a few levels from us subnormal intellectuals and pad your record before even attempting to challenge at this level again.

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Here’s a list of Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights against the following opponents:

• Eleider Alvarez (first fight) = 185lbs
• Nadjib Mohammedi = 183.5lbs
• Jean Pascal = 189lbs
• Bernard Hopkins = 188lbs
• Blake Caparello = 185lbs
• Cedric Agnew = 183lbs
• Ismayl Sillakh = 181lbs

I've also posted a video of Sergey Kovalev claiming he didn't have issues making weight.

Well done on yet another lengthy, worthless, repetitive post that doesn't address any of the direct points in my post.

I'm also very amused that this has been playing so much on your mind for the last few days that you just had to reply.

[Enlightened-One]

I saw the video you posted up, the one where you are unable to quote any meaningful statements from (no surprise there Precious!).
If you paid any attention to the video you'd realise that it was filmed just prior to his fight with Canelo. Now, you really must be even more niave and stupid than first thought if you think that, just prior to taking on one of the most astute boxing technicians of this generation, Kovalev is going to announce to everyone that he really struggles to make the 175lbs weight limit? You really think he's going to let a masterful puncher like Canelo know to go out and target his weak body?

Haha....hahahaha.....hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

OK, so you are new to boxing kid, thanks for confirming that. You now need to move back down a few levels from us subnormal intellectuals and pad your record before even attempting to challenge at this level again.

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Here’s a list of Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights against the following opponents:

• Eleider Alvarez (first fight) = 185lbs
• Nadjib Mohammedi = 183.5lbs
• Jean Pascal = 189lbs
• Bernard Hopkins = 188lbs
• Blake Caparello = 185lbs
• Cedric Agnew = 183lbs
• Ismayl Sillakh = 181lbs

I've also posted a video of Sergey Kovalev claiming he didn't have issues making weight.

Well done on yet another lengthy, worthless, repetitive post that doesn't address any of the direct points in my post.

I'm also very amused that this has been playing so much on your mind for the last few days that you just had to reply.

Your words:

He was killing himself to get those final few pounds off down to 175lbs mate. That would leave him weakened and wobbly.

The facts:

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Here’s a list of Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights against the following opponents:

• Eleider Alvarez (first fight) = 185lbs
• Nadjib Mohammedi = 183.5lbs
• Jean Pascal = 189lbs
• Bernard Hopkins = 188lbs
• Blake Caparello = 185lbs
• Cedric Agnew = 183lbs
• Ismayl Sillakh = 181lbs

I've also posted a video of Sergey Kovalev claiming he didn't have issues making weight.

[The Gratest]

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Here’s a list of Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights against the following opponents:

• Eleider Alvarez (first fight) = 185lbs
• Nadjib Mohammedi = 183.5lbs
• Jean Pascal = 189lbs
• Bernard Hopkins = 188lbs
• Blake Caparello = 185lbs
• Cedric Agnew = 183lbs
• Ismayl Sillakh = 181lbs

I've also posted a video of Sergey Kovalev claiming he didn't have issues making weight.

Well done on yet another lengthy, worthless, repetitive post that doesn't address any of the direct points in my post.

I'm also very amused that this has been playing so much on your mind for the last few days that you just had to reply.

Your words:

He was killing himself to get those final few pounds off down to 175lbs mate. That would leave him weakened and wobbly.

The facts:

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Here’s a list of Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights against the following opponents:

• Eleider Alvarez (first fight) = 185lbs
• Nadjib Mohammedi = 183.5lbs
• Jean Pascal = 189lbs
• Bernard Hopkins = 188lbs
• Blake Caparello = 185lbs
• Cedric Agnew = 183lbs
• Ismayl Sillakh = 181lbs

I've also posted a video of Sergey Kovalev claiming he didn't have issues making weight.

Well done on yet another lengthy, worthless, repetitive post that doesn't address any of the direct points in my post. 

I'm also very amused that this has been playing so much on your mind for the last few days that you just had to reply. 
Even more amused now.

[Enlightened-One]

Thank you for re-quoting your own false claims about Krusher struggling to make weight, coupled with you also citing the facts twice which clearly undermine the same claim!

Even I'm amused!

[The Gratest]

No as amused as me that you're now copying my style!
How flattering!

[The Gratest]

Well that was very easy. Lol

[Enlightened-One]

No as amused as me that you're now copying my style!
How flattering!

Just using your own words against you.

[Enlightened-One]

He was killing himself to get those final few pounds off down to 175lbs mate. That would leave him weakened and wobbly.

The facts:

Kovalev’s rehydration weights for the three bouts immediately preceding the Canelo fight were less than 185lbs.

Kovalev engaged in seventeen world title bouts, with nine of them for the IBF strap (i.e. second-day 10lbs weigh-in rules).

Here’s a list of Sergey Kovalev’s unofficial network commentator announced rehydration ring weights against the following opponents:

• Eleider Alvarez (first fight) = 185lbs
• Nadjib Mohammedi = 183.5lbs
• Jean Pascal = 189lbs
• Bernard Hopkins = 188lbs
• Blake Caparello = 185lbs
• Cedric Agnew = 183lbs
• Ismayl Sillakh = 181lbs

I've also posted a video of Sergey Kovalev claiming he didn't have issues making weight.

[The Gratest]

Wow! 2 hours you were out for. I never realised I hit that hard!
You must have concussion Precious, you're repeating yourself.

2 posts in a row, always a sign of intense anguish.

[Ruthless-RKO]

No news on this, but I don't see it NOT happening..

No orgs involved in this non-title bout.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Sergey Kovalev-Meng Fanlong Headed to Banc of California Stadium in LA on May 14, Triller Fight Club Main Event

After a false start, a bout between Sergey Kovalev and Meng Fanlong is finally coming to fruition.

The former light heavyweight champion Kovalev will meet the undefeated Fanlong in a 185-pound catchweight bout as a Triller Fight Club main event on May 14 at the Banc of California Stadium in Los Angeles, sources informed of the deal told BS.com on Thursday.

The original intent for the bout between the Russian and Chinese boxers was for it to be staged on March 12, but it never materialized.

Kovalev (34-4-1, 29 KOs) will be making his cruiserweight debut in the contest and end a near 2 ½ layoff in the process. The former light heavyweight kingpin and pound-for-pound stalwart Kovalev has not fought since he suffered an 11th round knockout against Canelo Alvarez.

Kovalev reportedly earned a whopping $12 million for the match. “Krusher” Kovalev’s career has curtailed since losing the fight, and his WBO light heavyweight title.

The 38-year-old tested positive for synthetic testosterone, a banned substance, last January in an announced fight between then-unbeaten Uzbek upstart Bektemir Melikuziev. The Golden Boy promoted fight and DAZN main event bout was canceled as a result. Golden Boy owed Kovalev at least one more fight as part of an original deal that was struck to stage the Alvarez-Kovalev contest.

As Boxing Scene reported in January, the cancellation of Kovalev-Melikuziev caused a contract dispute with the Russian and the Oscar De La Hoya-led company. A ruling from an arbitrator on the issue is imminent.

Kovalev wants to continue his career moving forward as a cruiserweight, where his weight limit could reach up to 200 pounds.

Kovalev manager Egis Klimas recently said his fighter is aiming for a cruiserweight title shot after a three or four fight run, and then retirement.

The 34-year-old Fanlong (17-0, 10 KOs) is a former IBF mandatory challenger to current IBF and WBC light heavyweight champion Artur Beterbiev.

The 2012 Olympian never was able to move forward with the bout with Beterbiev due to COVID-19 restrictions that forced the March 2020 fight at Videotron Centre in Quebec City, Canada to be postponed.

Adam Deines eventually got Fanlong’s IBF honors against Beterviev and lost via TKO.

Fanlong last fought and scored a unanimous decision against Israel Duffus in October in a ten-round bout.