Sergey Kovalev vs. Meng Fanlong | Triller - OFF

Who wins?

Poll ended at 15 May 2022, 03:51

Kovalev - Decision
9
32%
Kovalev - T/KO
11
39%
DRAW
2
7%
Fanlong - T/KO
5
18%
Fanlong - Decision
1
4%
 
Total votes: 28

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Re: Sergey Kovalev vs. Meng Fanlong | Triller - May 14, 2022

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Enlightened-One wrote: 10 Mar 2022, 19:34
Lackeos wrote: 10 Mar 2022, 19:07
Enlightened-One wrote: 09 Mar 2022, 11:54
Why did you cherry-pick one particular sentence and exclude all the other pertinent points I discussed in my original post you've only partially-quoted?

Did I explain some inconvenient facts that you cannot address? Are you unwilling to engage in honest debate?

As a reminder, here's what I asked you:

The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, which notable names has he defeated?

And you have just admitted that Meng Fanlong hasn’t faced any notable names during the entirety of his seven years and two months professional career!

For the record, Meng Fanlong isn’t the only unbeaten fighter that’s been competing in the paid ranks for more than four years that haven’t faced any credible opponents, meaning they too have padded resumes.

Therefore, it’s pointless you mentioning their names as a weak attempt to support your stance, because I apply my standards consistently.

Put it this way, if two people have diarrhoea, then they both have diarrhoea, regardless the varying degrees of severity!!!


End of discussion. :salut:
First of all, this entire post is idiotic. Second, how about you define what a padded resume is, why it's called padded, and relate it to the broader definition of the word padded. Because I've already done that like five times. Whereas, you haven't yet; you just continue using a word in a way that doesn't fit its meaning.
Stop whining.

All you keep doing is randomly barking the phrases “you’re wrong… and you’re an idiot”, but that’s not a valid counter-argument for all the facts I’ve cited that you’ve flatly-refused to directly address.
I'm the one who has defined repeatedly what padded means, and you're the one who keeps refusing to. Speaks volumes.
how about you define what a padded resume is, why it's called padded, and relate it to the broader definition of the word padded. Because I've already done that like five times. Whereas, you haven't yet; you just continue using a word in a way that doesn't fit its meaning.
If I'm not making arguments, and you are, then how come I've defined padded and you haven't? Oh, that's right, it's because you can't remember all the times I've schooled you about what padding means, because you're incapable of allowing absorbing information.

And by the way, you've never made any points, nor am I leaving out points that you've made. All you've done is say, essentially that if a person isn't muscular, then they must be fat, ignoring the fact that they might also be skinny; that is the flaw in your argument. A padded resume is a fattened resume. You keep saying if Fanlong has been around a while without accomplishing much, then his record is padded. That's not a point, that's just stating a lie and thinking it's a point. I've already explained that the fewer easy wins a fighter has accrued in 7 years, the less padded his resume is, but, again, you're incapable of processing that fact. If he had MORE easy wins within a period of time, then his resume would be padded. All you do is put up an information wall and disallow anything from getting in.

Honestly, I know that you're the most autistic person on this forum, but you're acting like you're a troll and that your trolling technique is to pretend that you can't learn information even after it's been told to you 10, 20, or 100 times. We're like 20 posts deep into this argument, and a) no matter how many times I knock down your claims, you claim that I haven't addressed them and b) you still haven't responded logically to literally anything I've said since the beginning. With every reply, you're like "Okay, I'm going to ignore all of that and circle right back to square one. With each subsequent post, I'm not going to do anything to build an argument. I'm not going to define anything. I'm just going to keep making false statements, sprinkled occasionally with true statements that don't support my point."

It's like you want to insult Meng's resume, so you're just using any derogatory term you've heard before, whether it applies or not. And you'll defend to the death your right to keep grossly misusing terms. The fact is, "padded resume" means EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of how you're using it. And if you used ACCURATE criticisms of Meng's resume, this could've been over four pages ago.

And, in case you completely lack self awareness like severely autistic people do, everyone on here knows that you will argue for literally an unlimited number of pages to avoid admitting when you're obviously wrong. You're the only one who doesn't see what a weirdo you are for it.
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I voted 'Draw'.
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Re: Sergey Kovalev vs. Meng Fanlong | Triller - May 14, 2022

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Lackeos wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 01:40I'm the one who has defined repeatedly what padded means, and you're the one who keeps refusing to.
I have answered your questions so many times, but I’ll do so again, just to prevent you from persistently lying.

Padded Resume = Someone who has been spoon-fed easy opponents that pose little or no threat to the fighter, thus allowing them to build up a superficially impressive record that fails to stand up to scrutiny.

The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months and hasn’t faced any credible opponents.

Meng Fanlong has only competed twice within the last 33 months and doesn’t have a fight lined up.

Here’s a summary of the records of both opponents he’s faced during that timeframe:

• Gilberto Rubio has only won three from eleven fights within the last 6½ years and had suffered a stoppage loss immediately prior to facing Meng Fanlong.

• Israel Duffus has only won one fight within the last 46 months, whilst also suffering four losses during that timeframe.

Let’s illustrate the extreme polar opposite ends of the spectrum by comparing Meng Fanlong’s resume to Anthony Joshua’s (based on the first seven years and two months of their careers):

After competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, the 31-year-old Anthony Joshua had just defeated Kubrat Pulev in his tenth world title fight, spanning two world title reigns.

Here's a list of the notable top-ten world-rated fighters that AJ had fought at that point in time:

• Dillian Whyte
• Charles Martin (former world champ)
• Dominic Breazeale
• Wladimir Klitschko (former world champ)
• Carlos Takam
• Joseph Parker (former world champ)
• Alexander Povetkin (former world champ)
• Andy Ruiz Jr. (former world champ)
• Kubrat Pulev
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Re: Sergey Kovalev vs. Meng Fanlong | Triller - May 14, 2022

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Enlightened-One wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 04:51 Padded Resume = Someone who has been spoon-fed easy opponents that pose little or no threat to the fighter, thus allowing them to build up a superficially impressive record that fails to stand up to scrutiny.
Is 17-0 impressive for someone who's been pro for 7 years? Nope. Almost every contender whose been pro for 7 years has easily more than 17 wins. Compared to his peers, he's in like the bottom 10 percentile in terms of quantity of wins. There you go, not padded.

Let's see how Meng stacks-up with Joshua's title fights...
Name | Total Wins In First 7 Years | Total Opponents With Boxrec Rating < 1 in First 7 Years
Fanlong Meng | 17 | 12
Dillian Whyte (since you brought him up) | 23 | 16
Charles Martin | 27 | 21
Dominick Breazeale | 19 | 11
Eric Molina | 20 | 19
Wladimir Klitschko | 41 | 23
Carlos Takam | 27 | 24
Joseph Parker | 26 | 12
Alexander Povetkin | 24 | 12
Andy Ruiz | 30 | 26
Kubrat Pulev | 23 | 9
Oleksandr Usyk | 18 | 4
Anthony Joshua himself | 21 | 11

What I'm seeing here is that Meng has the fewest number of wins in this whole list, and fifth from the bottom in terms of number of easy wins. So he's actually been fed fewer easy opponents than an average contender in his first 7 years, and has a less impression number of total wins than every contender. So it's the absolute least padded in terms of impressive number of wins (i.e. superficially impressive record), and below average padding in terms of easy spoon-fed wins.
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Re: Sergey Kovalev vs. Meng Fanlong | Triller - May 14, 2022

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Lackeos wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 05:02
Enlightened-One wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 04:51 Padded Resume = Someone who has been spoon-fed easy opponents that pose little or no threat to the fighter, thus allowing them to build up a superficially impressive record that fails to stand up to scrutiny.
Is 17-0 impressive for someone who's been pro for 7 years? Nope. Almost every contender whose been pro for 7 years has easily more than 17 wins. Compared to his peers, he's in like the bottom 10 percentile in terms of quantity of wins. There you go, not padded.
The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months and hasn’t faced any credible opponents.

Meng Fanlong has only competed twice within the last 33 months and doesn’t have a fight lined up.

Here’s a summary of the records of both opponents he’s faced during that timeframe:

• Gilberto Rubio has only won three from eleven fights within the last 6½ years and had suffered a stoppage loss immediately prior to facing Meng Fanlong.

• Israel Duffus has only won one fight within the last 46 months, whilst also suffering four losses during that timeframe.
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Re: Sergey Kovalev vs. Meng Fanlong | Triller - May 14, 2022

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Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Mar 2022, 08:26 The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, which notable names has he defeated?
Enlightened-One wrote: 09 Mar 2022, 11:54The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months, which notable names has he defeated?
Enlightened-One wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 04:51
The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months and hasn’t faced any credible opponents.
Enlightened-One wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 05:07 The 34-year-old Meng Fanlong has been competing in the paid ranks for seven years and two months and hasn’t faced any credible opponents.
Is it Groundhog's Day, or are you just repeatedly spamming the same shit?

And, in case you haven't figured this out yet, this statement isn't supporting your point. A fighter could be 2-1 after 7 years as a pro, not face any credible opponent, and NOT have a padded resume. A resume being padded isn't about who you haven't fought, it's about who you have fought, and how many of them you've fought. Should I take you back to the skinny / fat / muscular analogy once again? Proving someone isn't muscular doesn't prove that they're fat, because they could be skinny. A resume is only padded when you're stacking up a lot of easy wins, not a small number of easy wins.

It's weird how I've already defeated this "point" you're making like 10 times and you still keep spamming it. Each time you say it, you score no points, and each time I knock it down, I score another point.
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Lackeos wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 05:35
Is it Groundhog's Day, or are you just repeatedly spamming the same shit?
you need to ask? :lol: :lol:
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The Gratest wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 04:40 I voted 'Draw'.
Fight ain’t happening.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 05:38
The Gratest wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 04:40 I voted 'Draw'.
Fight ain’t happening.
I know. I was just adding a short break to the proceedings.
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The Gratest wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 06:08
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 05:38
The Gratest wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 04:40 I voted 'Draw'.
Fight ain’t happening.
I know. I was just adding a short break to the proceedings.
Oohhhhh.. :bow:
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The Gratest wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 06:08
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 05:38
The Gratest wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 04:40 I voted 'Draw'.
Fight ain’t happening.
I know. I was just adding a short break to the proceedings.
:lol:
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Counter-puncher wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 08:33
The Gratest wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 06:08
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 11 Mar 2022, 05:38

Fight ain’t happening.
I know. I was just adding a short break to the proceedings.
:lol:
x2 :lol: :lol:
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