Jermall Charlo vs. Maciej Sulecki | Showtime - Who wins?

Who wins?

Poll ended at 28 Jul 2023, 13:23

Charlo - Decision
6
33%
Charlo - T/KO
10
56%
DRAW
0
No votes
Sulecki - T/KO
2
11%
Sulecki - Decision
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 18

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Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:51 wow

i just checked Charlo's record

so, he's 31 years of age

and his best win is, uh, Derevyanchenko?

wow, his 'network' have really been doing some ducking
It’s frustrating. Charlo is a terrific fighter but is Derevyanchenko even a big win?! I’d argue not. His best performances have been losses and he doesn’t really have a good win to his name.

He’s 31, fighting once a year at present, and is fighting a guy that Andrade won every second against in a mandatory title fight, as a voluntary.
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maverick23 wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:57
Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:51 wow

i just checked Charlo's record

so, he's 31 years of age

and his best win is, uh, Derevyanchenko?

wow, his 'network' have really been doing some ducking
It’s frustrating. Charlo is a terrific fighter but is Derevyanchenko even a big win?! I’d argue not. His best performances have been losses and he doesn’t really have a good win to his name.

He’s 31, fighting once a year at present, and is fighting a guy that Andrade won every second against in a mandatory title fight, as a voluntary.
well, it would be very interesting to see someone try to defend this kind of... what's the word I am looking for? record-padding?
:lol:
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Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:00
maverick23 wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:57
Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:51 wow

i just checked Charlo's record

so, he's 31 years of age

and his best win is, uh, Derevyanchenko?

wow, his 'network' have really been doing some ducking
It’s frustrating. Charlo is a terrific fighter but is Derevyanchenko even a big win?! I’d argue not. His best performances have been losses and he doesn’t really have a good win to his name.

He’s 31, fighting once a year at present, and is fighting a guy that Andrade won every second against in a mandatory title fight, as a voluntary.
well, it would be very interesting to see someone try to defend this kind of... what's the word I am looking for? record-padding?
:lol:
I don’t think anyone can or would defend this opponent. It’s symptomatic of what’s wrong in US boxing at the moment. Too many meaningless fights.
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maverick23 wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:57
Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:51 wow

i just checked Charlo's record

so, he's 31 years of age

and his best win is, uh, Derevyanchenko?

wow, his 'network' have really been doing some ducking
It’s frustrating. Charlo is a terrific fighter but is Derevyanchenko even a big win?! I’d argue not. His best performances have been losses and he doesn’t really have a good win to his name.

He’s 31, fighting once a year at present, and is fighting a guy that Andrade won every second against in a mandatory title fight, as a voluntary.
Within the last three years, Jermall Charlo would have fought:

• Juan Macias Montiel
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko
• Dennis Hogan
• Brandon Adams

Within the last three years, Demetrius Andrade would have fought:

• Jason Quigley
• Liam Williams
• Luke Keeler
• Maciej Sulecki

Within the last three years, Gennadiy Golovkin would have fought:

• Kamil Szeremeta
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko
• Steve Rolls

Within the last three years, Ryota Murata would have fought:

• Steven Butler
• Rob Brant

All the big-name middleweights have been facing substandard opposition during the last few years.

In my mind, it seems unfair to single-out one particular fighter, because they all deserve to be criticised.

The middleweight division has been a complete shambles for quite some time now.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:26
maverick23 wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:57
Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:51 wow

i just checked Charlo's record

so, he's 31 years of age

and his best win is, uh, Derevyanchenko?

wow, his 'network' have really been doing some ducking
It’s frustrating. Charlo is a terrific fighter but is Derevyanchenko even a big win?! I’d argue not. His best performances have been losses and he doesn’t really have a good win to his name.

He’s 31, fighting once a year at present, and is fighting a guy that Andrade won every second against in a mandatory title fight, as a voluntary.
Within the last three years, Jermall Charlo would have fought:
• Juan Macias Montiel
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko
• Dennis Hogan
• Brandon Adams

Within the last three years, Demetrius Andrade would have fought:
• Jason Quigley
• Liam Williams
• Luke Keeler
• Maciej Sulecki

Within the last three years, Gennadiy Golovkin would have fought:
• Kamil Szeremeta
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko
• Steve Rolls

Within the last three years, Ryota Murata would have fought:
• Steven Butler
• Rob Brant

All the big-name middleweights have been facing substandard opposition during the last few years.
Does that make it ok then for Charlo? Everyone else is fighting poor opposition so it’s fine for him to do the same?

At least Golovkin is fighting Murata next and potentially Canelo again afterwards.
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maverick23 wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:30Does that make it ok then for Charlo? Everyone else is fighting poor opposition so it’s fine for him to do the same?
Alternatively, are you saying that you’re only willing criticise Jermall Charlo, whilst remaining silent and granting free passes to the other world-rated middleweights that are equally guilty of committing precisely the same proverbial “crime”?
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Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:34
maverick23 wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:30Does that make it ok then for Charlo? Everyone else is fighting poor opposition so it’s fine for him to do the same?
Alternatively, are you saying that you’re only willing criticise Jermall Charlo, whilst remaining silent and granting free passes to the other world-rated middleweights that are equally guilty of committing precisely the same proverbial “crime”?
This thread is about Charlo fighting Sulecki in a voluntary fight.

If I see Golovkin having another poor fight I’ll criticise. Same with Andrade.
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maverick23 wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:42
Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:34
maverick23 wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:30Does that make it ok then for Charlo? Everyone else is fighting poor opposition so it’s fine for him to do the same?
Alternatively, are you saying that you’re only willing criticise Jermall Charlo, whilst remaining silent and granting free passes to the other world-rated middleweights that are equally guilty of committing precisely the same proverbial “crime”?
This thread is about Charlo fighting Sulecki in a voluntary fight.

If I see Golovkin having another poor fight I’ll criticise. Same with Andrade.
For the record, I’ve repeatedly criticised the Charlo-Sulecki bout but people are talking as if Jermall is the only big-name middleweight competing against lacklustre opposition, whereas the history books from the last few years clearly proves that this definitely isn’t the case.

I also think it’s fair to compare the calibre of recent opposition that all four world champions at 160lbs have been competing against, since it provides context for evaluation purposes.

Is Maciej Sulecki much worse than the sort of fighters Demetrius Andrade, Gennadiy Golovkin and Ryota Murata have fought within the last few years?

The answer seems obvious to me.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:51
maverick23 wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:42
Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 13:34
Alternatively, are you saying that you’re only willing criticise Jermall Charlo, whilst remaining silent and granting free passes to the other world-rated middleweights that are equally guilty of committing precisely the same proverbial “crime”?
This thread is about Charlo fighting Sulecki in a voluntary fight.

If I see Golovkin having another poor fight I’ll criticise. Same with Andrade.
For the record, I’ve repeatedly criticised the Charlo-Sulecki bout but people are talking as if Jermall is the only big-name middleweight competing against lacklustre opposition, whereas the history books from the last few years clearly proves that this definitely isn’t the case.

I also think it’s fair to compare the calibre of recent opposition that all four world champions at 160lbs have been competing against, since it provides context for evaluation purposes.

Is Maciej Sulecki much worse than the sort of fighters Demetrius Andrade, Gennadiy Golovkin and Ryota Murata have fought within the last few years?

The answer seems obvious to me.
If Andrade/Golovkin/Murata signed to fight a guy one of the other champs beat for every minute of every round they would rightly be criticised.

I haven’t seen anyone on this thread give the above guys a pass for their recent opposition. I’m not sure why anyone would given this thread isn’t about them as there’s plenty of threads already about Andrade etc.

Golovkin is fighting Murata next which is a really good fight and then potentially Canelo after that. They can be criticised for who they fought but they’re fighting each other so props to both.

Andrade’s moving up a fighting a good, albeit unproven Brit in Zach Parker for an interim belt in the hope it leads to bigger fights. I’ve criticised him for recent opponents (particularly Quigley as it was a voluntary). It’s not a good fight but it’s acceptable to me.

The Charlo/Sulecki fight is as bad as it gets for what’s lined up.
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Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:12
Bandog wrote: 15 Mar 2022, 20:44 It's funny to watch EO scramble to spin things when. Charlo is involved. :lol:
remind me- he's the one that defends Charlo and attacks Andrade, and you're the one that defends Andrade, is that right?
Eunuch-One seems to be a slimy online weasel that craves for attention by manipulating and creating his own narratives. I guess in his real life is a real tosser. :OhYes:

Charlito is coddled like crazy and he is just waiting to cash in. Now I believe even more that Hearn was very serious when he made Charlito a big number offer to fight Andrade.
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Modern day boxers are risk averse cowards and the system rewards them, which makes it A retarded system, and boxing fans either condemn or excuse according to their tastes, which makes them just the usual collection of human emotional foibles.
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Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 12:12
Bandog wrote: 15 Mar 2022, 20:44 It's funny to watch EO scramble to spin things when. Charlo is involved. :lol:
remind me- he's the one that defends Charlo and attacks Andrade, and you're the one that defends Andrade, is that right?
Correct. I defend boxers that are willing to fight the best, now. Andrade had snafus with his career early, but I care about now, not 8-10 yrs ago. I don't care if Andrade loses, just want to see good fights.
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Sulecki's resume is better than Mall's at 160 in terms of competition, so hoping for an upset. :OhYes:
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This made me laugh. https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/03/je ... elo-fight/

Mall is a freaking doofus.
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Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 15:19 Modern day boxers are risk averse cowards and the system rewards them, which makes it A retarded system, and boxing fans either condemn or excuse according to their tastes, which makes them just the usual collection of human emotional foibles.
Boxing fans won't like it, but they'll still watch it.
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apollo creed wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 14:59Now I believe even more that Hearn was very serious when he made Charlito a big number offer to fight Andrade.

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Bandog wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 17:09 Sulecki's resume is better than Mall's at 160 in terms of competition, so hoping for an upset. :OhYes:
Thats true. I don't think it would be an upset but I hope Sulecki will give Mall all he can handle.
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apollo creed wrote: 03 May 2022, 11:29
Bandog wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 17:09 Sulecki's resume is better than Mall's at 160 in terms of competition, so hoping for an upset. :OhYes:
Thats true. I don't think it would be an upset but I hope Sulecki will give Mall all he can handle.
Good ol EO. About time for a diversion - another Andrade hate/ducking thread? :lol:
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Bandog wrote: 03 May 2022, 11:46
apollo creed wrote: 03 May 2022, 11:29
Bandog wrote: 16 Mar 2022, 17:09 Sulecki's resume is better than Mall's at 160 in terms of competition, so hoping for an upset. :OhYes:
Thats true. I don't think it would be an upset but I hope Sulecki will give Mall all he can handle.
Good ol EO. About time for a diversion - another Andrade hate/ducking thread? :lol:
:lol:

EO loves get sandwiched in these discussions. :OhYes:

Charlo and Andrade are getting both old and they may lose their 0's to some no names.
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So, Charlito with the hope of getting a Canelo payday, declined fights with Munguia and his stablemate Benavidez-the mexican mongster ? :doh:

Only kittens! :OhYes:
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Really need a Super Six or WBSS type unification tournament at 160.

Traditionally one of boxing's glamour divisions it's currently a bit of a joke with people protecting their 0's and holding belts hostage all while claiming everyone is avoiding them.

Marvin will be turning in his grave at what 160 has become right now. :brick:
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Monzon83 wrote: 04 May 2022, 07:37 Really need a Super Six or WBSS type unification tournament at 160.

Traditionally one of boxing's glamour divisions it's currently a bit of a joke with people protecting their 0's and holding belts hostage all while claiming everyone is avoiding them.

Marvin will be turning in his grave at what 160 has become right now. :brick:
This is pretty much what Andrade wanted. Love him or hate him, he wanted to fight GGG, Mall Charlo, Canelo. Not meaningless mandatories that brought no money. GGG, Charlo or Canelo turned him down. He might have lost, who knows? But he was willing to risk it and they didn't have the courage.
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Ya, andrade was even willing to step up and fight beasts like jason quigley and luke keeler
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Press Release | Tripleheader Set

Undefeated WBC Middleweight World Champion Jermall Charlo will hold a Juneteenth celebration in his hometown for the second-straight year when he steps into the ring to face tough former title challenger Maciej Sulecki on Saturday, June 18 live on SHOWTIME from Toyota Center in Houston in an event presented by Premier Boxing Champions.

The SHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING telecast begins at 9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT and will see undefeated top super bantamweight contender Ra’eese Aleem taking on Mike Plania in the 10-round co-main event, plus the Derrick James-trained unbeaten lightweight contender Frank Martin battles Panama’s power-punching Ricardo Núñez in the 10-round telecast opener.

Tickets for the live event, which is promoted by Lions Only Promotions and TGB Promotions, are on sale now and can be purchased at toyotacenter.com.

Charlo (32-0, 22 KOs) returns to fight in his hometown of Houston for the fifth time in his career, having most recently earned an entertaining unanimous decision win there over Juan Montiel last June on SHOWTIME. The 31-year-old scored an impressive unanimous decision triumph over top middleweight contender Sergiy Derevyanchenko in their September 2020 showdown and owns a 7-0 record since moving up to middleweight in 2017. A two-division world champion, Charlo also strung together an impressive run at 154-pounds, capturing the IBF title in 2015 and piling up victories over champions Austin Trout, Cornelius Bundrage and Julian Williams, whom he floored three times on his way to a memorable fifth-round knockout.

“I’m excited to get back in the ring in front of my people in Houston and put on a great show fighting on Juneteenth weekend once again,” said Charlo. “I’m ready to handle my business and give everyone what they’re coming out to see. Sulecki is a tough fighter who’s going to come in hungry. But I’m fighting for something bigger and I won’t be stopped from delivering a special performance on June 18.”

A native of Warsaw, Poland, Sulecki (30-2, 11 KOs) trains in Chicago, Ill. with his new co-trainer and longtime Polish contender Andrzej Fonfara. He will look to earn his third straight victory on June 18. The 32-year-old has never been stopped and has won four of his last five fights, including a unanimous decision over Gabriel Rosado that earned him the title shot against Demetrius Andrade that he would eventually lose by decision. Sulecki has fought professionally since 2010 and has also scored notable victories in defeating former titleholder Jack Culcay in 2017 and knocking out then undefeated Hugo Centeno Jr. in 2016.

“I’ve been training for a long time for this fight and I feel strong and ready to get in the ring,” said Sulecki. “Charlo is a great champion and I respect what he can do, but I don’t think he’s any better than the best fighters I’ve faced before. I think I am the stronger fighter mentally and physically. I don’t think he’s a killer. He hasn’t even been able to stop his last two opponents. I’ve fought as the underdog in my opponent’s hometown, so I’m not worried about fighting in Houston at all. We have a huge community of Polish fans in the U.S. and I know they’ll be there supporting me on June 18.”

Owning a top-10 ranking at 122-pounds from multiple sanctioning bodies, Aleem (19-0, 12 KOs) put on the most impressive performance of his career in January 2021 to capture the interim WBA title on SHOWTIME. Aleem dominated in a battle of unbeatens, dropping Victor Pasillas four times before eventually stopping him in round 11. Raised in Michigan and training out of Las Vegas, Nev., Aleem, 31, had stopped his past seven opponents inside the distance before most recently earning a decision victory over Eduardo Baez in November 2021.

“The time is now to take that next step in my career toward a world title shot and I know that a win against a tough opponent like Mike Plania will put me in that position,” said Aleem. “I’ve been waiting patiently for my opportunity to show everyone why I’m the best super bantamweight in the world. I’m grateful to my team for believing in me and my ability to bring excitement on the big stage. I’m never in a boring fight and you will see the best of me come June 18. I’m going to let my hands fly and do the talking.”

The 25-year-old Plania (26-1, 13 KOs) dropped Joshua Greer twice in their June 2020 clash on his way to a career-best decision victory, which he followed up in April 2021 by defeating Emmanuel Mogawa before stopping Ricardo Nunez in November. A native of General Santos City in the Philippines, Plania has put together a 11-fight winning streak since a 2018 decision loss against former champion Juan Carlos Payano. Plania has fought professionally since 2014, with five of his last six outings taking place stateside.

“Ever since I beat Joshua Greer to put myself in the world rankings, I have been looking for an opportunity to fight the best at 122 pounds to secure a world title shot,” said Plania. “June 18 is that time and by beating Ra’eese Aleem, I will show everyone I deserve to fight for the title. I want to thank my whole team for putting me in this position and I can’t wait to get in there and show what I’m capable of.”

The 27-year-old Martin (15-0, 11 KOs) rose up the lightweight rankings in 2021 with a pair of impressive victories before most recently delivering a New Year’s Day KO over Romero Duno. In 2021, Martin knocked out the previously unbeaten Jerry Perez in a dominating performance in April, before earning a unanimous decision over Ryan Kielczweski in August. Originally from Indianapolis, Martin now trains in the Dallas-area under the guidance of top trainer James alongside unified welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr.

“I’ve been training hard in Dallas and I’m just excited and ready to go,” said Martin. “Núñez is a boxer-puncher, so I expect him to mix it up with some fast combinations and to try and throw my movement off, but I’ll be ready for all of that. Fight fans are going to enjoy an action fight with this one. We’ve got the speed, power and athleticism to put on an exciting show on June 18.”

Representing La Chorrera, Panama, Núñez (23-3, 21 KOs) enters this fight with knockout victories in his last two fights, including most recently stopping Richard Solano in the first round in October 2021. The 28-year-old moved back up to lightweight for those two victories after challenging three-division champion Gervonta Davis in July 2019 for a 130-pound title. Núñez has fought professionally since 2010 and has a brother also named Ricardo who is a veteran pro fighter in the featherweight division.

“I’m very happy to be back in a big fight on June 18,” said Núñez. “You’re going to see a whole new fighter against Martin. I’m coming to fight and impose my style on my opponent. Martin is a good boxer who’s made it to a high level, but he still has to show what he’s made of. I’m going to give one hundred percent to stop his rise and be the first person to beat him.”
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A nothing card really by PBC and Showtime.
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