BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"

[GreenLightning]

This guys got Kinahan on the brain. There’s tons of them at it in Ireland. They get away with literally murder on a regular basis. Must be a nitemare living there.

As if someone at kinahans level has kids out on the street. You’d have to be retarded to even think that. They are implicated in shipping multi ton loads. The lads on the street are doing all sorts over in Ireland, none of them will answer to someone with Kinahan as their last name. That’s not defending him it’s just common sense.

You actually gonna lecture me on Irish gangland?? I said the Kinahan operation had largely fallen apart on the ground, because they are being replaced, thats because they've gotten to big for their boots, are you actually gonna say the Kinahans havnt had a hand in 90 percent of the drugs trade here since Christy had Eamonn Dunne killed. What did Eamonn Dunne do?? He pissed off the wrong people, like your heroes are doing now. Go on tell me a few names about who's in charge in Limerick, Cork, Dublin, Belfast etc.

What did Dunne do? Is this why your arseholes twitching like a rabbits nose about the Kinahans?

The implication was that Dunne was a notorious psychopath who thought he was untouchable, like the Kinahans do now, and he wasn't not that he was an innocent man ffs

Would I have said Christy Kinahan gained control of most of the drugs trade when he killed Eamonn Dunne, if the point wasn't that Dunne was the main drug dealer beforehand?? "Dangerous criminal" stronger words than you've used for the Kinahans and Dunnes been dead for like over a decade and a half, funny that

Funny though when we are talking about the last critical blow to what was the largest drugs gang in western Europe and not just Ireland, flooding the streets with poison, your point is "they aren't the only drug dealers you know"

So should we be talking about the Dundons?? Who are nowhere near as powerful as the Kinahans. The lads from Limerick who are all dead or in jail?? Who should we be talking about, name names like I did

[GreenLightning]

How's this for irony

Michael Conlon gets more stick for a walkout song that mentions the IRA than he does for directly working with the Kinahans (even though the forner is long gone)

But the Kinahans and the drugs scene in Ireland only lifted off after the IRA ceasefire, as the IRA were shooting all the drug dealers (PJ "Psycho" Judge for example)

So really his entrance song and closeness with the Kinahans are in direct contrast, but I wouldn't expect consistent morals from somebody who backs the Kinahans, just a funny irony I thought

[Wee Tommy]

You actually gonna lecture me on Irish gangland?? I said the Kinahan operation had largely fallen apart on the ground, because they are being replaced, thats because they've gotten to big for their boots, are you actually gonna say the Kinahans havnt had a hand in 90 percent of the drugs trade here since Christy had Eamonn Dunne killed. What did Eamonn Dunne do?? He pissed off the wrong people, like your heroes are doing now. Go on tell me a few names about who's in charge in Limerick, Cork, Dublin, Belfast etc.

What did Dunne do? Is this why your arseholes twitching like a rabbits nose about the Kinahans?

The implication was that Dunne was a notorious psychopath who thought he was untouchable, like the Kinahans do now, and he wasn't not that he was an innocent man ffs

Would I have said Christy Kinahan gained control of most of the drugs trade when he killed Eamonn Dunne, if the point wasn't that Dunne was the main drug dealer beforehand?? "Dangerous criminal" stronger words than you've used for the Kinahans and Dunnes been dead for like over a decade and a half, funny that

Funny though when we are talking about the last critical blow to what was the largest drugs gang in western Europe and not just Ireland, flooding the streets with poison, your point is "they aren't the only drug dealers you know"

So should we be talking about the Dundons?? Who are nowhere near as powerful as the Kinahans. The lads from Limerick who are all dead or in jail?? Who should we be talking about, name names like I did

Al Capone.

[JamesPhilips]

What are the implications for MTK and companies they sponsor such as IFL TV?

Does MTK / Kinahan actually own shares in IFL?

[maverick23]

What are the implications for MTK and companies they sponsor such as IFL TV?

Does MTK / Kinahan actually own shares in IFL?

It’s a tricky one as Kinahan isn’t legally named as being part of MTK or Probellum. Robert Smith can’t criticise a bad set of scorecards so I can’t see him banning anyone for links to Kinahan.

They may reduce some of their outgoings potentially if the money isn’t flowing as freely as it once was (I’d be amazed if either MTK or Probellum are self sufficient) but we’ll have to see.

IFL is seemingly fully owned by Kugan now from what I can see on companies house.

[JamesPhilips]

What are the implications for MTK and companies they sponsor such as IFL TV?

Does MTK / Kinahan actually own shares in IFL?

It’s a tricky one as Kinahan isn’t legally named as being part of MTK or Probellum. Robert Smith can’t criticise a bad set of scorecards so I can’t see him banning anyone for links to Kinahan.

They may reduce some of their outgoings potentially if the money isn’t flowing as freely as it once was (I’d be amazed if either MTK or Probellum are self sufficient) but we’ll have to see.

IFL is seemingly fully owned by Kugan now from what I can see on companies house.

Thanks

[handsofstone]

I'm sure Uncle Frank will be flapping that he might not be getting £41 million wired through next week

[TheLeprechaun]

It was pretty surprising how they came out like that with a press conference and 5 million dollar bounties. I read that they said this was "Phase 1" so I'm wondering what else they have planned. Usually the authorities keep things up their sleeves. They've got the full apparatus of several countries working together so it's a lot of resources. It's also interesting that they do this a week before Fury Whyte.

[margaret thatcher]

could get very interesting

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Wee Tommy]

It was pretty surprising how they came out like that with a press conference and 5 million dollar bounties. I read that they said this was "Phase 1" so I'm wondering what else they have planned. Usually the authorities keep things up their sleeves. They've got the full apparatus of several countries working together so it's a lot of resources. It's also interesting that they do this a week before Fury Whyte.

This is the same reward they offered for Otoniel and Eo Chapo. Heavy duty time.

[TheLeprechaun]

It was pretty surprising how they came out like that with a press conference and 5 million dollar bounties. I read that they said this was "Phase 1" so I'm wondering what else they have planned. Usually the authorities keep things up their sleeves. They've got the full apparatus of several countries working together so it's a lot of resources. It's also interesting that they do this a week before Fury Whyte.

This is the same reward they offered for Otoniel and Eo Chapo. Heavy duty time.

I don't understand how they can ruin the guys reputations and then offer money for people to give them evidence leading to the arrests. Surely you should have that evidence yourself before you are ruining their reputation worldwide. It looks like they are looking for a snitch. Maybe that's how they want it to look. Who knows. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[margaret thatcher]

im sure they have evidence of their criminal conduct, finding them and hauling them in is another matter

[Blueprint]

[dookus]

im sure they have evidence of their criminal conduct, finding them and hauling them in is another matter

Well the US Treasury statement posted his addresses, passport numbers (quite a few ) and ID numbers in the UAE, so the finding them bit is apparently over.

Probably the aim is to put pressure on a) the UAE, to deport him and/or b) him, by making it difficult to transact in dollars: banks (even non-US ones) will not generally deal with sanctioned persons, directly or indirectly. If he were to be trafficking as alleged, then I would guess drugs are bought in bulk with dollars, like any other bulk commodity. If that's right, then would be a real pain in the arse to carry on the trade without being able to use dollars at scale.

(It is also alleged, however, that he is involved in large-scale money laundering, which if true may limit the effectiveness of sanctions - i.e. in that case he would know how to avoid them)

Suspect there has also been diplomatic lobbying by the Irish government, to judge by past form (e.g. after Fury v AJ was allegedly brokered by Kinahan).

[Wee Tommy]

It was pretty surprising how they came out like that with a press conference and 5 million dollar bounties. I read that they said this was "Phase 1" so I'm wondering what else they have planned. Usually the authorities keep things up their sleeves. They've got the full apparatus of several countries working together so it's a lot of resources. It's also interesting that they do this a week before Fury Whyte.

This is the same reward they offered for Otoniel and Eo Chapo. Heavy duty time.

I don't understand how they can ruin the guys reputations and then offer money for people to give them evidence leading to the arrests. Surely you should have that evidence yourself before you are ruining their reputation worldwide. It looks like they are looking for a snitch. Maybe that's how they want it to look. Who knows. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Have you seen what’s happened to the rest of the so called super cartel?

[Wee Tommy]

im sure they have evidence of their criminal conduct, finding them and hauling them in is another matter

Finding him? I’ve seen him a few times ffs he’s not hiding or hasn’t been. Papers print a load of shite.

[TheLeprechaun]

This is the same reward they offered for Otoniel and Eo Chapo. Heavy duty time.

I don't understand how they can ruin the guys reputations and then offer money for people to give them evidence leading to the arrests. Surely you should have that evidence yourself before you are ruining their reputation worldwide. It looks like they are looking for a snitch. Maybe that's how they want it to look. Who knows. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Have you seen what’s happened to the rest of the so called super cartel?

They got deported I think? I didn't follow all this too closely but none of them got this type of press conference and 5 million bounties. I don't even think it would be legal for American TV to broadcast the Fury fight now since Kinahan is his advisor. Is that correct? It's difficult to understand all the ins and outs of it. I guess thats why Arum is coming out hard with saying he is having no ties to Kinahan because Top Rank are promoting the fight. They made a point of putting TV companies under pressure today. The fight is surely in doubt now

[margaret thatcher]

im sure they have evidence of their criminal conduct, finding them and hauling them in is another matter

Finding him? I’ve seen him a few times ffs he’s not hiding or hasn’t been. Papers print a load of shite.

let it so be revised that:

im sure they have evidence of their criminal conduct, hauling them in is another matter

[Wee Tommy]

I don't understand how they can ruin the guys reputations and then offer money for people to give them evidence leading to the arrests. Surely you should have that evidence yourself before you are ruining their reputation worldwide. It looks like they are looking for a snitch. Maybe that's how they want it to look. Who knows. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Have you seen what’s happened to the rest of the so called super cartel?

They got deported I think? I didn't follow all this too closely but none of them got this type of press conference and 5 million bounties. I don't even think it would be legal for American TV to broadcast the Fury fight now since Kinahan is his advisor. Is that correct? It's difficult to understand all the ins and outs of it. I guess thats why Arum is coming out hard with saying he is having no ties to Kinahan because Top Rank are promoting the fight. They made a point of putting TV companies under pressure today. The fight is surely in doubt now

Those other guys got depeorted because their countries have extradition treaties with UAE. Ireland has none. They absolutely must have evidence to have sanctioned so many people and the businesses. This is a pressure tactic so they are no longer shielded. Can’t imagine they are still here in Dubai now. Iran’s only 30 mins away by boat.

[Wee Tommy]

im sure they have evidence of their criminal conduct, finding them and hauling them in is another matter

Finding him? I’ve seen him a few times ffs he’s not hiding or hasn’t been. Papers print a load of shite.

let it so be revised that:

im sure they have evidence of their criminal conduct, hauling them in is another matter

Are you Ben Doughty?

[margaret thatcher]

bruh, if i were the great doyen doughty i wouldnt have time to post on boxrec when i am busy penning great works of boxing literature

[dookus]

Have you seen what’s happened to the rest of the so called super cartel?

They got deported I think? I didn't follow all this too closely but none of them got this type of press conference and 5 million bounties. I don't even think it would be legal for American TV to broadcast the Fury fight now since Kinahan is his advisor. Is that correct? It's difficult to understand all the ins and outs of it. I guess thats why Arum is coming out hard with saying he is having no ties to Kinahan because Top Rank are promoting the fight. They made a point of putting TV companies under pressure today. The fight is surely in doubt now

Those other guys got depeorted because their countries have extradition treaties with UAE. Ireland has none. They absolutely must have evidence to have sanctioned so many people and the businesses. This is a pressure tactic so they are no longer shielded. Can’t imagine they are still here in Dubai now. Iran’s only 30 mins away by boat.

MTK Tehran, bingo anytime now

Also, US doesn't have an extradition treaty with the UAE either - so I agree, this is all about pressure as the US can't directly go after him (unless he goes there) were the sanctions to be breached.

[Wee Tommy]

They got deported I think? I didn't follow all this too closely but none of them got this type of press conference and 5 million bounties. I don't even think it would be legal for American TV to broadcast the Fury fight now since Kinahan is his advisor. Is that correct? It's difficult to understand all the ins and outs of it. I guess thats why Arum is coming out hard with saying he is having no ties to Kinahan because Top Rank are promoting the fight. They made a point of putting TV companies under pressure today. The fight is surely in doubt now

Those other guys got depeorted because their countries have extradition treaties with UAE. Ireland has none. They absolutely must have evidence to have sanctioned so many people and the businesses. This is a pressure tactic so they are no longer shielded. Can’t imagine they are still here in Dubai now. Iran’s only 30 mins away by boat.

MTK Tehran, bingo anytime now

Also, US doesn't have an extradition treaty with the UAE either - so I agree, this is all about pressure as the US can't directly go after him (unless he goes there) were the sanctions to be breached.

I was with an Iranian girl at the weekend. She showed me all sorts of pictures and videos that showed me a side of Iran I wouldn’t have imagined existed. Big jungle rave parties, niteclubs and amazing mountain vistas. She said drugs were rife there and the food is amazing. The bad thing is they are so heavily sanctioned that they can only trade with a few countries so money is very tight. I fancy visiting tbh.

[Coco]

The folk I know who went to Iran really liked it