BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"

[Nightmare Roy]

he's only a bit dubious, just a little tiny bit.

Say what you want, I've heard he helps old ladies carry their shopping home.

[maverick23]

Will be interesting to see what happens, if anything, to Probellum.

I don’t know what country they legally operate from but the links to DK may well be tougher to prove than with MTK.

I also wonder if any boxers will be questioned about this stuff. I didn’t see anyone questioned about it yesterday in the few YouTube interviews I watched. I don’t think it’s been discussed on TalkSPORT (likely because of White’s links to Probellum) and I reckon Frank will ban any questions about it at the various press conferences.

[high tower 1]

Maybe he was some
Shit blagger before and DK thought he could secretly launder some money through him. He was a 20 something car salesman from derby who came out of nowhere and got Joyce. I know boxers can be pretty dumb but that was a strange choice.

[maverick23]

Maybe he was some
Shit blagger before and DK thought he could secretly launder some money through him. He was a 20 something car salesman from derby who came out of nowhere and got Joyce. I know boxers can be pretty dumb but that was a strange choice.

They started off working with Haye on his comeback fights I think. I certainly remember Moralee being on the top table with him at the press conferences. Haye had links to Joyce which is probably where that deal came from.

In fairness to S-Jam, as a management company they seemingly did well for their fighters.

Unless I’m missing something then the only link to Kinahan Sam has is when he joined Probellum.

[JamesPhilips]

Always amuses me how these gangland figures never have any shortage of people saying what a lovely bloke they are.

Kray Twins loved their mum and i'm sure Barbara Windsor will tell you what a decent pair of fellas they were.

Great friends with politicians too. Allegedly served them up young lads.

[a force]

I don’t blame fighters for signing with MTK, it’s a tough sport to earn a living in especially for them at area / British level.

I do blame every single one of them for posting photos with him or tweets saying how great he is. It’s sick. They all know what he is. Especially the high profile ones. They can’t play dumb as whenever they posted about him they had loads of replies condemning him.

The US have put him in the same category as some of the most infamous cartel’s in the world.

He had a bloke shot dead in Majorca in front of his wife & kids because they thought he was a Hutch relative.

They had a homeless man shot dead in Dublin because they thought he was a Hutch relative.

While all the Hutches involved in crime were in hiding they were having innocent relatives & friends shot dead. He’s evil. And anyone praising him should be out of the sport. Take their licenses off them.

Edwards, Davison, Jones, Fury, Taylor, Catterall, Saunders, Paul & Liam Smith. Whoever it is. Ban them for a spell.

[TheLeprechaun]

You can't blame boxers for maximizing their earnings during a very short and risky career. Look at the size of Eddie Hearns house. That came off the back of fighters like Eubank going through wars.

[jimmystone]

I don’t blame fighters for signing with MTK, it’s a tough sport to earn a living in especially for them at area / British level.

I do blame every single one of them for posting photos with him or tweets saying how great he is. It’s sick. They all know what he is. Especially the high profile ones. They can’t play dumb as whenever they posted about him they had loads of replies condemning him.

The US have put him in the same category as some of the most infamous cartel’s in the world.

He had a bloke shot dead in Majorca in front of his wife & kids because they thought he was a Hutch relative.

They had a homeless man shot dead in Dublin because they thought he was a Hutch relative.

While all the Hutches involved in crime were in hiding they were having innocent relatives & friends shot dead. He’s evil. And anyone praising him should be out of the sport. Take their licenses off them.

Edwards, Davison, Jones, Fury, Taylor, Catterall, Saunders, Paul & Liam Smith. Whoever it is. Ban them for a spell.

From what I've read innocent people were not the targets but they were killed by mistaken identity and things like that. It's a big difference there between going after innocent people and having it happen by mistake. It's still terrible and that is where public opinion shifts and authorities start getting involved but the fact is that innocent people dying is bad for business and the worst case scenario for people involved. I think a lot of these guys dealing drugs are probably very nice respectful guys if you got to know them. It's just a business and it makes good money. Obviously some of them will be big ego types who are bullies. But some of them think of it like businessmen. They are not psychopaths like the lads who go out murdering innocent people for a thrill. I'm just speaking generally here and if you look at the history of the mobs in the US and things like that, you can find guys who just thought of it like a business.

How romantic.

[maverick23]

You can't blame boxers for maximizing their earnings during a very short and risky career. Look at the size of Eddie Hearns house. That came off the back of fighters like Eubank going through wars.

No it didn’t. It came off the back off Barry making loads from Snooker’s boom period in the 70s and 80s.

[polecateddy]

You can't blame boxers for maximizing their earnings during a very short and risky career. Look at the size of Eddie Hearns house. That came off the back of fighters like Eubank going through wars.

No it didn’t. It came off the back off Barry making loads from Snooker’s boom period in the 70s and 80s.

Barry bought the property back in 1982 off his snooker earnings presumably, but the extensive renovations were probably boxing money.

[maverick23]

You can't blame boxers for maximizing their earnings during a very short and risky career. Look at the size of Eddie Hearns house. That came off the back of fighters like Eubank going through wars.

No it didn’t. It came off the back off Barry making loads from Snooker’s boom period in the 70s and 80s.

Barry bought the property back in 1982 off his snooker earnings presumably, but the extensive renovations were probably boxing money.

Barry’s said in the past that he didn’t make much money from boxing - just had some fun with it. He made his money from snooker and more recently (last 20 years) darts.

[mickey1975]

Matchroom shows weren't always on this scale. To be fair to Eddie, he's taken them to a new level.

[high tower 1]

Promoters get a pelting but it must be a rough tough job. Boxers have to train and turn up on shape. A promoter has to take all
The flack al the time. I’d hate to be a boxing promoter.

[Blueprint]

Looks like media were banned from asking questions on this

[Stevieaber]

I must admit that I’ve been wondering if enough of the financial investigation has already been carried out behind the scenes to allow an attempt to try and seize some of the money from this promotion?

It would be a hell of a way to make a point.

[Monzon83]

Looks like media were banned from asking questions on this

Doesn't surprise me the boxing media in the UK have been pretty gutless in questioning Kinahan's links to fighters and MTK. Now that the Irish Escobar is in the US government's sights maybe they'll all suddenly find their balls and actually confront the issue.

I doubt it though.

[GreenLightning]

Gerry Hutch and his ilk are hoods but Gerry refused to get involved in drugs, unfortunately for him that mean Kinahans had all the money to hire the Wilson's and INLA etc. to carry out hits

Kinahans had enough drug money to hire thugs directly in jails

[mickey1975]

Gerry Hutch and his ilk are hoods but Gerry refused to get involved in drugs, unfortunately for him that mean Kinahans had all the money to hire the Wilson's and INLA etc. to carry out hits

Kinahans had enough drug money to hire thugs directly in jails

And do you believe that? Every old school villain pretends to hate drugs. They all do it.

[GreenLightning]

Gerry Hutch and his ilk are hoods but Gerry refused to get involved in drugs, unfortunately for him that mean Kinahans had all the money to hire the Wilson's and INLA etc. to carry out hits

Kinahans had enough drug money to hire thugs directly in jails

And do you believe that? Every old school villain pretends to hate drugs. They all do it.

I believe Gerry was ODC in terms of his money making because the money he had matches up to it, if he was into dealing he'd be a far richer man andmore of his relatives would be alive

Think about it, why was Gary Hutch, the one shot dead to initiate things. was running drugs for Kinahan and not Gerry?

Gerry and his bunch are hoods like I said but they weren't drug dealing

[GreenLightning]

The evidence is in who all the hired guns were working for

Kinahan, Gerry had one good go with the Regency and that's all h could afford

[GreenLightning]

You ever see Love/Hate?? The sow about Irish drug dealers made before this fued kicked off

"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"

Its like that

[JamesPhilips]

You ever see Love/Hate?? The sow about Irish drug dealers made before this fued kicked off

"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"

Its like that

Good saying

[johnty1888]

You ever see Love/Hate?? The sow about Irish drug dealers made before this fued kicked off

"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"

Its like that

Love/Hate, one of the best TV dramas ever

[GreenLightning]

You ever see Love/Hate?? The sow about Irish drug dealers made before this fued kicked off

"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"

Its like that

Love/Hate, one of the best TV dramas ever

I think Huey shooting himself in the head by accident was based on the Keane_Callopy feud, one of those boys did that

[ThereByTheGrace]

You ever see Love/Hate?? The sow about Irish drug dealers made before this fued kicked off

"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"

Its like that

Love/Hate, one of the best TV dramas ever

Agreed. I bought the box set!!