Errol Spence Jr vs Terence Crawford - Anytime anyplace anywhere

[margaret thatcher]

well if that's all true it sure doesnt sound like spence is making over 2x what crawford does

where is this 70-30 stuff coming from then? i havent been following

[Ruthless-RKO]

well if that's all true it sure doesnt sound like spence is making 2x what crawford does

where is this 70-30 stuff coming from then?

Some will say TC was overpaid at ESPN. Which you can argue.

Spence’s PPV figures, although better than Crawford’s, have still seen a decline per fight. 240k is now considered a good number. Shame.

This was less than what he did against DSG, and that was during the pandemic. There’s only so much fans will pay for.

I think Spence needs TC to get that figure over 500k buys. You need the right dance partner in there and fans also want the fight.

A lot of other forums I have read many predictions that they’d be surprised if Spence-Crawford PPV does more than 600k.

[margaret thatcher]

will be interesting to see what craw makes next if it isnt a spence fight. if he again makes around what spence is making it seems weird to expect him to agree to taking less than what half spence would get for a ppv

usually these cases of 70-30 splits one guy is making way more money than the other guy, not roughly the same

i just read craw made about 6m vs porter. for him to make say 10m vs spence with a 70-30 split you'd need around 35m to split. is that realistic for the fight? 25m for spence and 10m for crawford? much less than that and craw is hardly getting a raise to take on by far his biggest fight

[Ruthless-RKO]

will be interesting to see what craw makes next if it isnt a spence fight. if he again makes around what spence is making it seems weird to expect him to agree to taking less than what half spence would get for a ppv

usually these cases of 70-30 splits one guy is making way more money than the other guy, not roughly the same

i just read craw made about 6m vs porter. for him to make even just a couple million more than that with a 70-30 split you'd need around 30m to split. presumably each guy wants more than a 2m raise to take this fight too. realistically you're probably looking at needing 40m to split at 70-30

Yeh, that’s a big pot. You cannot expect TC to take 30, no one is gonna take less than their previous fights, especially for a big undisputed fight like this.

If Crawfords next fight is with PBC and it’s NOT a PPV, it would be interesting to see what his base purse would be. But I’m guessing PBC will put him on PPV regardless.

There’s no such thing as PPV stars anymore. There a small handful of PPV boxers, but promoters are putting anything and everything on PPV just to rinse fans and for that to help pay the purses.

[margaret thatcher]

ya, 70-30 seems wacky if craw is making 6.5m and they are making around the same. you'd need a massive pot for craw to get much of a raise for the fight.

55-45 seems more realistic. or do what fury-whyte did and have some of the split set aside for the winner

[margaret thatcher]

I hope Bud comes off his high horse demands of 50-50 that has been the main reason this fight hasn't happened.

As we all know, draw power dictates purse splits for the biggest fights. This is no different. Bud needs to accept 60-40 or 70-30, and can negotiate for the opposite if he wins. If he isn't confident of winning he won't negotiate, or get the fight, and it will be 100% on him.

Hell, Floyd took only 50% in his fight vs DLH, I'm sure Canelo did similar with Floyd.

craw made about 6.5m last fight and gets paid about the same as spence, not less than half what spence gets

how do you expect this to work if craw only gets 30 percent? you'd need a massive massive pot for craw to get much of a raise on his usual rates. as good as these guys are, im doubtful the fight is THAT lucrative. they are basically 5m dollar fighters or about that so far, not massive canelo/aj cash cows.

55-45 is more realistic. or make it 50-40, with the winner getting the other 10

[Ruthless-RKO]

I understand boxers want to be paid, and it’s a dangerous sport, but they need to get back to reality if you ask me.

They’ll get paid what they’re worth..

Smaller guarantees, and higher percentages.

When I say smaller guarantees, I don’t mean really small though.

[NateJR]

Spence only made 500k more than Ugas and split PPV sales 50/50. You'd think Spence is a much bigger draw than Ugas, strange Spence was willing to take that deal. But then again maybe Spence is very serious on Unifying ATM and is willing to change his stance a bit to make that happen. I'd expect Spence to agree to a similar type of deal to face Crawford.

[NateJR]

There is no better time to make the fight. The fight has already marinated plenty and you don't have a better selling point when all the straps are on the line. Some people are pessimistic, I think they find a way to make it happen sooner rather than later.

[Enlightened-One]

Spence only made 500k more than Ugas and split PPV sales 50/50. You'd think Spence is a much bigger draw than Ugas, strange Spence was willing to take that deal.

In terms of guarantees, that’s still a 60-40 split though.

And let's not forget that mandatory challengers generally receive 30%.

But Ugas was a fellow world titleholder that brought something to the negotiating table and he was inevitably going to receive a bigger split than a mandatory challenger would.

Crawford said he wanted the lion’s share of a 60-40 split to face Errol Spence Jr., which was captured on a YouTube video published either by Fight-Hype or FightNews.

[Bandog]

This is what I found: Something similar seems fair to offer Crawford. I wasn't aware of the PPV purse split. Who will guarantee Crawford's purse if he isn't signed with anyone? Maybe it's Spence that needs to come off his high horse? He said he talked to Crawford before the Ugas fight, and guarantees it happens this year.

Errol Spence Jr
Guaranteed Purse: $1.5 Million
PPV Share: 50%
Total Payout: $5 Million (Including PPV Sales Money)

Yordenis Ugas
Guaranteed Purse: $1 Million
PPV Share: 50%
Total Payout: $2.5Million (Including PPV Sales Money)

[Ruthless-RKO]

This is what I found: Something similar seems fair to offer Crawford. I wasn't aware of the PPV purse split. Who will guarantee Crawford's purse if he isn't signed with anyone? Maybe it's Spence that needs to come off his high horse? He said he talked to Crawford before the Ugas fight, and guarantees it happens this year.

Errol Spence Jr
Guaranteed Purse: $1.5 Million
PPV Share: 50%
Total Payout: $5 Million (Including PPV Sales Money)

Yordenis Ugas
Guaranteed Purse: $1 Million
PPV Share: 50%
Total Payout: $2.5Million (Including PPV Sales Money)

As this was totalsportek or something like that?

They guess the purses based on previous purses.

[Enlightened-One]

This is what I found: Something similar seems fair to offer Crawford. I wasn't aware of the PPV purse split. Who will guarantee Crawford's purse if he isn't signed with anyone? Maybe it's Spence that needs to come off his high horse? He said he talked to Crawford before the Ugas fight, and guarantees it happens this year.

Errol Spence Jr
Guaranteed Purse: $1.5 Million
PPV Share: 50%
Total Payout: $5 Million (Including PPV Sales Money)

Yordenis Ugas
Guaranteed Purse: $1 Million
PPV Share: 50%
Total Payout: $2.5Million (Including PPV Sales Money)

As this was totalsportek or something like that?

They guess the purses based on previous purses.

Mathematically-speaking those numbers don’t really make any sense, do they?

If the PPV revenue was supposedly split on a 50-50 basis, why are they claiming Spence Jr. received $3.5m in PPV commission, whereas Ugas only received $1.5m?

Basically, I've assumed the difference between the total payouts and the guaranteed purses, to be the PPV commissions.

[Bandog]

This is what I found: Something similar seems fair to offer Crawford. I wasn't aware of the PPV purse split. Who will guarantee Crawford's purse if he isn't signed with anyone? Maybe it's Spence that needs to come off his high horse? He said he talked to Crawford before the Ugas fight, and guarantees it happens this year.

Errol Spence Jr
Guaranteed Purse: $1.5 Million
PPV Share: 50%
Total Payout: $5 Million (Including PPV Sales Money)

Yordenis Ugas
Guaranteed Purse: $1 Million
PPV Share: 50%
Total Payout: $2.5Million (Including PPV Sales Money)

As this was totalsportek or something like that?

They guess the purses based on previous purses.

https://www.totalsportal.com/boxing/err ... e-payouts/

[Enlightened-One]

This is what I found: Something similar seems fair to offer Crawford. I wasn't aware of the PPV purse split. Who will guarantee Crawford's purse if he isn't signed with anyone? Maybe it's Spence that needs to come off his high horse? He said he talked to Crawford before the Ugas fight, and guarantees it happens this year.

Errol Spence Jr
Guaranteed Purse: $1.5 Million
PPV Share: 50%
Total Payout: $5 Million (Including PPV Sales Money)

Yordenis Ugas
Guaranteed Purse: $1 Million
PPV Share: 50%
Total Payout: $2.5Million (Including PPV Sales Money)

As this was totalsportek or something like that?

They guess the purses based on previous purses.

https://www.totalsportal.com/boxing/err ... e-payouts/

Mathematically-speaking those numbers don’t really make any sense, do they?

If the PPV revenue was supposedly split on a 50-50 basis, why are they claiming Spence Jr. received $3.5m in PPV commission, whereas Ugas only received $1.5m?

Basically, I've assumed the difference between the total payouts and the guaranteed purses, to be the PPV commissions.

[Enlightened-One]

I understand boxers want to be paid, and it’s a dangerous sport, but they need to get back to reality if you ask me.

They’ll get paid what they’re worth..

Smaller guarantees, and higher percentages.

When I say smaller guarantees, I don’t mean really small though.

The problem with smaller guarantees though, with the lion’s share of fighters' income based on PPV commission, is that they then become overly-reliant on the promoters and networks pushing the event in order to generate sales.

The fighters can engage in all sorts of theatrics, trash-talking and perform interviews with everyone under the sun, but if the networks make no effort to sell the event to their viewing audience or price it ridiculously high, then the PPV sales will end up being appalling.

The only thing a fighter can control is their guaranteed minimum purse.

[Bandog]

I'd go out on a limb to say this fight would do about half of what Floyd/Pac did, which says it will be huge. 2 million + buys I'm guessing, but only if it happens by the end of this year. This is one of the very few I'd buy, because it's hard to guess who wins, and both are at the top of their game.

[IKSRTFO]

I'd go out on a limb to say this fight would do about half of what Floyd/Pac did, which says it will be huge. 2 million + buys I'm guessing, but only if it happens by the end of this year. This is one of the very few I'd buy, because it's hard to guess who wins, and both are at the top of their game.

I doubt it'll be close to 2 mil. I don't see it doing too much over a mil if that.

[margaret thatcher]

we jizz to this fight as hardcore fans but neither of these guys are mainstream really, dont see it doing close to 2m. their last ppvs only did low hundreds of thousands

[Ruthless-RKO]

we jizz to this fight as hardcore fans but neither of these guys are mainstream really, dont see it doing close to 2m. their last ppvs only did low hundreds of thousands

I don’t think it hits 1m either

[Enlightened-One]

Mike Coppinger reported that Spence-Ugas only did 240K PPV buys, with Crawford-Porter only achieving 135K PPV buys.

And there are people that seriously believe that Crawford-Spence Jr. will achieve as much as two million? FFS!

Even one million buys seems to be a ridiculous figure to me!

It probably won’t achieve 400K PPV buys. And even if it does achieve that milestone, it'll only be surpassed by the smallest of margins.

Errol Spence Jr’s commercial popularity has waned, primarily because of his inactivity, whereas Crawford has never managed to achieve decent PPV figures.

[margaret thatcher]

ya, no way it does 2m

we as fans all know these guys are excellent, but they simply arent big enough names beyond boxing fans to get huge numbers

[Ruthless-RKO]

Shots fired at trainer

[Cent0089]

Shots fired at trainer

That was prety pathetic, but man, if it can help to make a fight, just bring it, these two avoiding each other for ages. If they cannot make a fight after 3 years of avoiding and idiotic talks like this then our sport will be a joke

[Bandog]

I'd go out on a limb to say this fight would do about half of what Floyd/Pac did, which says it will be huge. 2 million + buys I'm guessing, but only if it happens by the end of this year. This is one of the very few I'd buy, because it's hard to guess who wins, and both are at the top of their game.

I doubt it'll be close to 2 mil. I don't see it doing too much over a mil if that.

It should potentually, but we live in an era of illegal streams, so that is a big loss. Promotion needs to be top notch and months ahead of time...like signed in May and fight in December.
This is a better fight, with superior boxers than a 2015 38yr old Floyd or 36yr old Pac, plus it's a 50-50 fight. Most big fights now are easy to pick compared to this one. It doesn't have the crazy blind Pac fans or the Floyd hate fans factor though that bet like idiots.