Thoughts now on size of HWs compared to other eras?

[margaret thatcher]

of course, and alp will tell you about just how good tony was. surely he must have be very good to trouble the atg #2, isn't that right alp.

[Wee Tommy]

of course, and alp will tell you about just how good tony was. surely he must be very good to trouble the atg #2, isn't that right alp.

I have Louis as the No1 heavyweight personally.

[pound per pound]

Always a topic of debate. Quite often argued that guys like Marciano and Frazier could compete with todays heavyweights, has anyone changed their mind on this? We can point to blown up CW Usyk beating man mountain AJ but then we see Fury weighing 20 stone and making a 6’7” 17 stone Wilder look fairly small. Are today’s heavyweights now too big when it comes to fairly comparing eras like the 1950s etc ? Or do you think the skill sets outweighs the physical advantages?

Usyk at 6'3" 78" reach 220 pounds would be a giant compared to Marciano and very big next to Frazier,

I think size matters, but so do skills, durability and power. But in my opinion these skilled modern day giants rarely lose decisions to the fighters up to 220 Take Fury, The Klitschko's, and Lewis. Zero decision losses vs the field. Bowe lost once to Holyfield via razor thin margin and won twice. Holyfield by the way is 1-4 vs. Bowe and Lewis on fair score cards. That's it. In all of their fights where they had the edge to the tale of the tape they won aside form Ko / Two / injury losses. So there has to be something to it.

Size, Height, and Reach matter big time when a fighter is in shape especially when there are noticeable advantages. So does weight when the fighter is in shape.

This is not to say they can't be knocked out. Anyone can, but these guys have superior long range weaponry and some the skilled one know how to use it and clinch limiting in-fighting. They simply can tie up, push off and re-set. This is why we need a super heavyweight division set at 225 lbs. Historians and most fans are against it. Keep thinking Johnson, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, and Fraizer can win by boxing. They can't and must land their bomb before the other super heavyweight with skills does and they have the superior long range delivery system. Could the old timers win? Sure, this is boxing. But I would rule out the decision, and only give them a punchers chance. Make Sense?

[pound per pound]

If they wouldn't have fought, I would not have thought thought that Conn would have fought so well against the 2nd best heavyweight of all time either. But he did. It didn't seem like a fluke. If he could do that, it's not out of the question that he could compete against people not nearly as good as Louis.

But it's very revealing that people don't think Carnera, Simon and Baer would be in the top 10. Weight is just a convenient excuse for many people. They just want to talk about the recent heavyweights and dismiss those that came before their time.

The heavyweight division has be bad for a really long time. About 20 years. 12 rounds of stare downs and clinchfests. This is a major reason why so many people gave up on the sport.

But anyway, we might as well get to the big question. Would a prime Joe Louis be the best heavyweight today?

Louis has a losing on the cards to Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles. Yes, these were the best boxers he fought and look at the results. Think about it and Carrera, Simon and Baer weren't skilled for their time, and would be badly skilled compared to the best super heavyweights today. Think about it for a moment. Louis could win with power but so could they. He wouldn't win on the cards, fair score cards. If Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles could do that to Louis so could Bowe ( in shape ) Lewis, Klitschko, Klitschko, and Fury. Also Usyk. This group can also punch real hard.

Louis benefitted for 15 rounds, light 6-8 ounce gloves, unskilled contenders aside form Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles, and some home cookin' on the score cards in Godoy and Walcott fights. Think about it and if the Conn fights was 12 rounds and Billy wasn't stupid in the 13th, he looses to the 168 pound Conn.

Hard truths.

[Ambling Alp II]

If they wouldn't have fought, I would not have thought thought that Conn would have fought so well against the 2nd best heavyweight of all time either. But he did. It didn't seem like a fluke. If he could do that, it's not out of the question that he could compete against people not nearly as good as Louis.

But it's very revealing that people don't think Carnera, Simon and Baer would be in the top 10. Weight is just a convenient excuse for many people. They just want to talk about the recent heavyweights and dismiss those that came before their time.

The heavyweight division has be bad for a really long time. About 20 years. 12 rounds of stare downs and clinchfests. This is a major reason why so many people gave up on the sport.

But anyway, we might as well get to the big question. Would a prime Joe Louis be the best heavyweight today?

Louis has a losing on the cards to Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles. Yes, these were the best boxers he fought and look at the results. Think about it and Carrera, Simon and Baer weren't skilled for their time, and would be badly skilled compared to the best super heavyweights today. Think about it for a moment. Louis could win with power but so could they. He wouldn't win on the cards, fair score cards. If Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles could do that to Louis so could Bowe ( in shape ) Lewis, Klitschko, Klitschko, and Fury. Also Usyk. This group can also punch real hard.

Louis benefitted for 15 rounds, light 6-8 ounce gloves, unskilled contenders aside form Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles, and some home cookin' on the score cards in Godoy and Walcott fights. Think about it and if the Conn fights was 12 rounds and Billy wasn't stupid in the 13th, he looses to the 168 pound Conn.

Hard truths.

Louis had not reached his prime when he fought Schmeling the first time. Look what happned when he was in his prime for the rematch. He was clearly past it his best when he fought Walcott and Charles. He had been off during World War II.
Have never heard any dispute the verdict of the Godoy fight before. Not sn impressive performance, but Louis deserved the decision. And look at the rematch.

The skilled heavyweights of today? That is what I am saying. Usyk has skill. fury has some skill and some limitations. Just about everyone else suck. there is a reason why almost all of the heavyweight fights suck. It because the fighters suck.
Baer, Carnera, and Simon would be in the top 10 today. Louis dominated them.

Louis was as fundamentally sound of a fighter as you will ever find. He had a high work rate. He was an accurate puncher. He had a lot of power. Against anyone that would fight in recent times, he would be throwing a lot more punches than the other guy. He was more accurate than them. He had more power than almost all of them.

That we even had to argue this shows how overrated recent heavyweights are by some people.

[oogiebe]

If they wouldn't have fought, I would not have thought thought that Conn would have fought so well against the 2nd best heavyweight of all time either. But he did. It didn't seem like a fluke. If he could do that, it's not out of the question that he could compete against people not nearly as good as Louis.

But it's very revealing that people don't think Carnera, Simon and Baer would be in the top 10. Weight is just a convenient excuse for many people. They just want to talk about the recent heavyweights and dismiss those that came before their time.

The heavyweight division has be bad for a really long time. About 20 years. 12 rounds of stare downs and clinchfests. This is a major reason why so many people gave up on the sport.

But anyway, we might as well get to the big question. Would a prime Joe Louis be the best heavyweight today?

Louis has a losing on the cards to Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles. Yes, these were the best boxers he fought and look at the results. Think about it and Carrera, Simon and Baer weren't skilled for their time, and would be badly skilled compared to the best super heavyweights today. Think about it for a moment. Louis could win with power but so could they. He wouldn't win on the cards, fair score cards. If Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles could do that to Louis so could Bowe ( in shape ) Lewis, Klitschko, Klitschko, and Fury. Also Usyk. This group can also punch real hard.

Louis benefitted for 15 rounds, light 6-8 ounce gloves, unskilled contenders aside form Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles, and some home cookin' on the score cards in Godoy and Walcott fights. Think about it and if the Conn fights was 12 rounds and Billy wasn't stupid in the 13th, he looses to the 168 pound Conn.

Hard truths.

Louis had not reached his prime when he fought Schmeling the first time. Look what happned when he was in his prime for the rematch. He was clearly past it his best when he fought Walcott and Charles. He had been off during World War II.
Have never heard any dispute the verdict of the Godoy fight before. Not sn impressive performance, but Louis deserved the decision. And look at the rematch.

The skilled heavyweights of today? That is what I am saying. Usyk has skill. fury has some skill and some limitations. Just about everyone else suck. there is a reason why almost all of the heavyweight fights suck. It because the fighters suck.
Baer, Carnera, and Simon would be in the top 10 today. Louis dominated them.

Louis was as fundamentally sound of a fighter as you will ever find. He had a high work rate. He was an accurate puncher. He had a lot of power. Against anyone that would fight in recent times, he would be throwing a lot more punches than the other guy. He was more accurate than them. He had more power than almost all of them.

That we even had to argue this shows how overrated recent heavyweights are by some people.

I think I remember that the crowd booed the decision in the Godoy fight.

[HomicideHenry]

Louis has a losing on the cards to Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles. Yes, these were the best boxers he fought and look at the results. Think about it and Carrera, Simon and Baer weren't skilled for their time, and would be badly skilled compared to the best super heavyweights today. Think about it for a moment. Louis could win with power but so could they. He wouldn't win on the cards, fair score cards. If Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles could do that to Louis so could Bowe ( in shape ) Lewis, Klitschko, Klitschko, and Fury. Also Usyk. This group can also punch real hard.

Louis benefitted for 15 rounds, light 6-8 ounce gloves, unskilled contenders aside form Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles, and some home cookin' on the score cards in Godoy and Walcott fights. Think about it and if the Conn fights was 12 rounds and Billy wasn't stupid in the 13th, he looses to the 168 pound Conn.

Hard truths.

Louis had not reached his prime when he fought Schmeling the first time. Look what happned when he was in his prime for the rematch. He was clearly past it his best when he fought Walcott and Charles. He had been off during World War II.
Have never heard any dispute the verdict of the Godoy fight before. Not sn impressive performance, but Louis deserved the decision. And look at the rematch.

The skilled heavyweights of today? That is what I am saying. Usyk has skill. fury has some skill and some limitations. Just about everyone else suck. there is a reason why almost all of the heavyweight fights suck. It because the fighters suck.
Baer, Carnera, and Simon would be in the top 10 today. Louis dominated them.

Louis was as fundamentally sound of a fighter as you will ever find. He had a high work rate. He was an accurate puncher. He had a lot of power. Against anyone that would fight in recent times, he would be throwing a lot more punches than the other guy. He was more accurate than them. He had more power than almost all of them.

That we even had to argue this shows how overrated recent heavyweights are by some people.

I think I remember that the crowd booed the decision in the Godoy fight.

True. Godoy was thought to be robbed and truth be told one could make a serious argument that he probably should have gotten a draw or decision over Louis. The fight made the Argentinian a legend for the rest of his life.

Now, that being said Louis was death in rematches and he figured out the Argentinian really quickly and dismantled him in half the time. Anyways it's on the basis of this fight that I generally figure that Rocky Marciano would have beaten the prime Louis.

[Ambling Alp II]

The UP had it even.
International News had it for Louis. 9-6-1
AP for Louis. 10-5.
NY Times for Louis. 10-5.

Have never heard anyone in my entire life question this decision, much less call it a robbery.

Wasn't a pretty fight, but Louis clearly won.

[oogiebe]

The UP had it even.
International News had it for Louis. 9-6-1
AP for Louis. 10-5.
NY Times for Louis. 10-5.

Have never heard anyone in my entire life question this decision, much less call it a robbery.

Wasn't a pretty fight, but Louis clearly won.

Well if you never heard it, it must've never happened.

[Ambling Alp II]

Would have thought I would have heard of this robbery before. It's been 80 years. Saw the fight. It was not a robbery.

[oogiebe]

Would have thought I would have heard of this robbery before. It's been 80 years. Saw the fight. It was not a robbery.

No one here said it was a robbery. You said you never heard anyone complain about the outcome. I can find that post if you don't remember.

[Ambling Alp II]

"home cookin"
"Godoy was thought to be robbed."

You ever see the fight?

[oogiebe]

"home cookin"
"Godoy was thought to be robbed."

You ever see the fight?

Not my words bub. I only stated the crowd wasn't happy with the decision according to most reports. of course louis won, just tired of you moving the goal posts and ducking and jiving my man!

Seen many films of the fight. Rematch as well. Uppercuts and hooks were the medicine Louis needed. Anything else?

[Ambling Alp II]

Moving the goal posts? Whatever.

[oogiebe]

Moving the goal posts? Whatever.

Yes.

[Ambling Alp II]

What goal posts did I move. As me question and I will answer it.

[Ezzard]

We have genuinely all-time great fighters across all the divisions. Boxers who would stand out in any era. This has always been accepted.

And yet the HWs are always terrible. Always unskilled. Always the worst era since the last era. It just seems unbelievably unlikely that this is the case.

[Ambling Alp II]

I know this is the part where you say that someone in the 1970s said the heavyweights in the 1970s were that good.
However, in every era there are people that say the division was bad, and others that say it was good.
We need to think for ourselves.

The 1970s was great. The 1980s was not as good.
In the 1990s, the consensus was that it was better than the 1980s and not as good as the 1970s. Don't recall many saying the era sucked, but I'm sure you can find someone.

On difference is that in the 1970s, people didn't automatically fighters from before the 1970s. Everyone still knew Joe Louis was great. Which is what happens now. Many people have little to no interest in what happened before they started getting interested in the sport. They have no patience for all time lists that aren't full of fighters from their time.

On average, the heavyweight division has gone up and down. It has just never been this down for this long.
The rest of the divisions go up and down as well. People just don't talk about it nearly as often.
All in all, if you take all the divisions combined, then boxing is is almost always about the same in quality.
Other divisions don't get ripped for being bad nearly as much. You don't hear people saying :boy the middle weight division sucks." Sometimes it is not good and no one talks about it.

[pound per pound]

"home cookin"
"Godoy was thought to be robbed."

You ever see the fight?

Yes, I saw the fight on video, the first one we are talking about and the re-match. Louis was completely befuddled, Godoy out threw and landed him for most of the rounds, and bulled Louis around the ring in the clinches. Godoy gave the last round away kissing joe Louis and couching so low Louis could not reach I'm. What rounds did you see, I'm curious and where did you get the fight? I'm asking you, you have a habit of avoiding my questions.

The judging was a mess. The only rounds in which the three men agreed were the 3rd, 8th (both to Godoy) and the 14th (Louis). There was no way Louis was losing decision the a foreign born fighter with Art Donovan as the ref. He was biased in Louis fight. I've seen the action and compared it to his score cards in other Louis fights they were crooked like the Tommy Farr fight, he only gave Farr one round in a 15 round decision! ( yeah right ) . Louis was not losing a decision in Madison Square Garden, New York.

[pound per pound]

If they wouldn't have fought, I would not have thought thought that Conn would have fought so well against the 2nd best heavyweight of all time either. But he did. It didn't seem like a fluke. If he could do that, it's not out of the question that he could compete against people not nearly as good as Louis.

But it's very revealing that people don't think Carnera, Simon and Baer would be in the top 10. Weight is just a convenient excuse for many people. They just want to talk about the recent heavyweights and dismiss those that came before their time.

The heavyweight division has be bad for a really long time. About 20 years. 12 rounds of stare downs and clinchfests. This is a major reason why so many people gave up on the sport.

But anyway, we might as well get to the big question. Would a prime Joe Louis be the best heavyweight today?

Louis has a losing on the cards to Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles. Yes, these were the best boxers he fought and look at the results. Think about it and Carrera, Simon and Baer weren't skilled for their time, and would be badly skilled compared to the best super heavyweights today. Think about it for a moment. Louis could win with power but so could they. He wouldn't win on the cards, fair score cards. If Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles could do that to Louis so could Bowe ( in shape ) Lewis, Klitschko, Klitschko, and Fury. Also Usyk. This group can also punch real hard.

Louis benefitted for 15 rounds, light 6-8 ounce gloves, unskilled contenders aside form Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles, and some home cookin' on the score cards in Godoy and Walcott fights. Think about it and if the Conn fights was 12 rounds and Billy wasn't stupid in the 13th, he looses to the 168 pound Conn.

Hard truths.

Louis had not reached his prime when he fought Schmeling the first time. Look what happned when he was in his prime for the rematch. He was clearly past it his best when he fought Walcott and Charles. He had been off during World War II.
Have never heard any dispute the verdict of the Godoy fight before. Not sn impressive performance, but Louis deserved the decision. And look at the rematch.

The skilled heavyweights of today? That is what I am saying. Usyk has skill. fury has some skill and some limitations. Just about everyone else suck. there is a reason why almost all of the heavyweight fights suck. It because the fighters suck.
Baer, Carnera, and Simon would be in the top 10 today. Louis dominated them.

Louis was as fundamentally sound of a fighter as you will ever find. He had a high work rate. He was an accurate puncher. He had a lot of power. Against anyone that would fight in recent times, he would be throwing a lot more punches than the other guy. He was more accurate than them. He had more power than almost all of them.

That we even had to argue this shows how overrated recent heavyweights are by some people.

Um, his best filmed match according or one of them according to historians I know and me was Vs. Max Baer. Louis was excellent and showed movement in his feet, ducking, and of course an in gear offense vs the apathetic Baer who didn't land a punch square or threw many. He was younger for this fight the Schmeilng, who was thought to be past it according to Historian Bert Sugar and the germans. He was also smoke hot vs Uzcudun and Carrera and they were before Schmeling, Carrera is on film, Uzcudun only a small part of it. These fights were pre Max Schemling and he certainly looked like he was in his prime! You are wrong, I suspect an attempt to " excuse Joe Louis " and won from defeat. Louis matured quickly and won 24 fights before this happened. Enough experience when you consider who he fought.

[pound per pound]

Louis has a losing on the cards to Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles. Yes, these were the best boxers he fought and look at the results. Think about it and Carrera, Simon and Baer weren't skilled for their time, and would be badly skilled compared to the best super heavyweights today. Think about it for a moment. Louis could win with power but so could they. He wouldn't win on the cards, fair score cards. If Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles could do that to Louis so could Bowe ( in shape ) Lewis, Klitschko, Klitschko, and Fury. Also Usyk. This group can also punch real hard.

Louis benefitted for 15 rounds, light 6-8 ounce gloves, unskilled contenders aside form Scheming, Conn, Walcott, and Charles, and some home cookin' on the score cards in Godoy and Walcott fights. Think about it and if the Conn fights was 12 rounds and Billy wasn't stupid in the 13th, he looses to the 168 pound Conn.

Hard truths.

Louis had not reached his prime when he fought Schmeling the first time. Look what happned when he was in his prime for the rematch. He was clearly past it his best when he fought Walcott and Charles. He had been off during World War II.
Have never heard any dispute the verdict of the Godoy fight before. Not sn impressive performance, but Louis deserved the decision. And look at the rematch.

The skilled heavyweights of today? That is what I am saying. Usyk has skill. fury has some skill and some limitations. Just about everyone else suck. there is a reason why almost all of the heavyweight fights suck. It because the fighters suck.
Baer, Carnera, and Simon would be in the top 10 today. Louis dominated them.

Louis was as fundamentally sound of a fighter as you will ever find. He had a high work rate. He was an accurate puncher. He had a lot of power. Against anyone that would fight in recent times, he would be throwing a lot more punches than the other guy. He was more accurate than them. He had more power than almost all of them.

That we even had to argue this shows how overrated recent heavyweights are by some people.

Um, his best filmed match according or one of them according to historians I know and me was Vs. Max Baer. Louis was excellent and showed movement in his feet, ducking, and of course an in gear offense vs the apathetic Baer who didn't land a punch square or threw many. He was younger for this fight the Schmeilng, who was thought to be past it according to Historian Bert Sugar and the germans. He was also smoke hot vs Uzcudun and Carrera and they were before Schmeling, Carrera is on film, Uzcudun only a small part of it. These fights were pre Max Schemling and he certainly looked like he was in his prime! You are wrong, I suspect an attempt to " excuse Joe Louis " from defeat. Louis matured quickly and won 24 fights before this happened. Enough experience when you consider who he fought.

[Ezzard]

I know this is the part where you say that someone in the 1970s said the heavyweights in the 1970s were that good.
However, in every era there are people that say the division was bad, and others that say it was good.
We need to think for ourselves.

The 1970s was great. The 1980s was not as good.
In the 1990s, the consensus was that it was better than the 1980s and not as good as the 1970s. Don't recall many saying the era sucked, but I'm sure you can find someone.

On difference is that in the 1970s, people didn't automatically fighters from before the 1970s. Everyone still knew Joe Louis was great. Which is what happens now. Many people have little to no interest in what happened before they started getting interested in the sport. They have no patience for all time lists that aren't full of fighters from their time.

On average, the heavyweight division has gone up and down. It has just never been this down for this long.
The rest of the divisions go up and down as well. People just don't talk about it nearly as often.
All in all, if you take all the divisions combined, then boxing is is almost always about the same in quality.
Other divisions don't get ripped for being bad nearly as much. You don't hear people saying :boy the middle weight division sucks." Sometimes it is not good and no one talks about it.

It's just opinion, nothing else. It might be worse than average. It might be better. I think the division is in rude health.

[Ambling Alp II]

As for the Godoy fight? Louis was not "befuddled". Godoy to his credit fought a good fight and one that was hard to judge. However, Louis landed more clean shots on Godoy than Godoy landed. Agree that the Farr fight was closer than 13-1. However, Arthur Donavan was one of the most respected officials in boxing. I think I saw the fight on Classic Sports Network or ESPN Classic many years ago. There used to be a lot of interesting old fights on those networks. I think it has been on Youtube as well.

Early in his career. Usually it didn't hurt much since he overwhelmed the other guy anyway. Louis had a habit of dropping his hand right after a punch. Schmeling jumped all over that. He stopped doing that after that fight.
Baer hand injured hands and didn't fight well against Louis.

You say that I have a habit of avoiding your questions. Didn't think I did, but sorry if I have. There has been a lot going on with this topic. Go ahead and ask again and I will answer them. Not that you will like my answers.

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As for the Godoy fight? Louis was not "befuddled". Godoy to his credit fought a good fight and one that was hard to judge. However, Louis landed more clean shots on Godoy than Godoy landed. Agree that the Farr fight was closer than 13-1. However, Arthur Donavan was one of the most respected officials in boxing. I think I saw the fight on Classic Sports Network or ESPN Classic many years ago. There used to be a lot of interesting old fights on those networks. I think it has been on Youtube as well.

Early in his career. Usually it didn't hurt much since he overwhelmed the other guy anyway. Louis had a habit of dropping his hand right after a punch. Schmeling jumped all over that. He stopped doing that after that fight.
Baer hand injured hands and didn't fight well against Louis.

You say that I have a habit of avoiding your questions. Didn't think I did, but sorry if I have. There has been a lot going on with this topic. Go ahead and ask again and I will answer them. Not that you will like my answers.

Thats all ask that your acknowledge my points that are true. Here you claim Louis was pre-prime before he meet Schmeling. Some of his best performances vs Canera, Uzcudun, and Bear happened before he meet Scheming wouldn't you agree? I'd say he meet good competition to that point and matured quickly at age 22.

One of Joe Louis'' managers was a numbers runner and Madison Square Garden had a problem in the 1930's with fixed fights. That's were 15+ of Louis fight a were and Art Donovan was his ref. His rep was known that he was kicked out of the Wacllott 1 fight before and had to be replaced. Judging by the rounds show, 2/3 majority saying Walcott a who was really a nobody at the time won it, and Louis being dropped twice in separate rounds there in no way he won it. Watch the film! I have the fight, albeit with missing some rounds. A loud boo can be heard when the decision was announced. Louis was a hero, the boo was on the decision. His body language says he lost too.

I think Godoy out threw and out landed Louis on pick stats for most of the rounds. The wasn't one punch where either man was staggered, and Godoy easily controlled Louis in the clinches. Donvoan's card was rubbish. No way Louis won ten round as he scored it. Do you agree with these ring facts? Try me if you're honest, I could like what you have to say.

-p4p

[Ambling Alp II]

Some of his best performances were before the Schmeling fight. However, many were after. He of course destroyed Schmeling in the rematch. Not to mention the fights against Buddy Baer, Nova, Simon etc.
Lennox Lewis most impressive KO may have been against Razor Ruddick. Most people don't consider him to have quite reached his prime yet.
Ali won the Fight of the Year against Doug Jones. He had not reached his prime yet.
Donovan was a ref for a long time time. Did many big fights. Was considered the best referee in the sport for a long time.

Not sure what "pick stats" are but as I said before Louis landed more of the clean punches throughout most of the fight.
Donovan's score of 10-5 was not rubbish. No I don't agree with "ring facts" that say otherwise.

10-5 for Louis is also how both the AP and the NY Times. About the same as I had it.

Have only seen bits and pieces of the 1st Walcott-Louis fight. The fight was scored by rounds, not by points. All the knockdowns did was given Walcott two rounds. There are 13 other ones to judge. (.ie. Wladimir Klitschko got decked three times in two different rounds on point system, and got the decision. Louis said later that he thought that he won the fight.
Besides he was clearly past his best by this point. This was after he had missed all that time in World War II.