James Toney vs. Joe Calzaghe at 168 prime for prime

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 12 Aug 2006, 12:20

I see Toney banging him up and stopping him late such as he did with Nunn.

Started this thread because it was almost a fact that Jones would beat him.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 12 Aug 2006, 12:38

Toney had trouble with southpaws. Nunn would have easily beaten him if he had boxed more in the late rounds, and the Reggie Johnson fight could have gone either way. If Calzaghe stands in front of Toney and is too agressive, he'd be asking for trouble, but if he fights at distance and jabs and uses his superior handspeed, it's Calzaghe by a clear decision. People think Toney's an alltime great, but realistically the guy has gotten at least 4 gift decisions in his career. He also doesn't look that sharp against guys who use alot of movement. He is outstanding on the inside, but if you watch what a fringe contender like Terry McGroom was able to do in there 2000 Cruiserweight bout, by just using a jab and alot of movement. I had McGroom winning by 2, but officially it was a MD.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 12 Aug 2006, 12:40

Grimm wrote:I see Toney banging him up and stopping him late such as he did with Nunn.

Started this thread because it was almost a fact that Jones would beat him.

I'm not so sure.

If Calzaghe elected to box, I could see him winning on points.

I don't think Toney would have KO'd him, but I do believe his edge in class may have seen him prevail over 12 rds.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 12 Aug 2006, 13:38

Toney would KO him,......not even a question. No british southpaw is going to beat Toney.......nope, not in his prime.

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 12 Aug 2006, 13:46

Thing against brits aswel ringsider?

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 12 Aug 2006, 13:51

No it is just a self evident truth. Heck the Brits actually thought Brunno was a champ....come on.....

Calzaghe in nothing but a glorified Alan Minter....and that speaks for itself.

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 12 Aug 2006, 14:18

So you think the fact that he is British means he is less likely to win a fight?

Wanker

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 12 Aug 2006, 14:30

ringsider wrote:No it is just a self evident truth. Heck the Brits actually thought Brunno was a champ....come on..... Calzaghe in nothing but a glorified Alan Minter....and that speaks for itself.

Not this Brit.

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 12 Aug 2006, 17:09

Calzaghe's power, skills and handspeed would prove too much for Toney.

I like how Decagon said Calzaghe wouldn't take the fight in the first place because he wouldn't.

~A.W.F~

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 12 Aug 2006, 19:53

Heck the Yanks actually thought Michael Grant was the number one heavyweight in the world.

Sadly that is true,( but I was not one of them) but there is big difference between being called number one, and being "the Champ".

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 12 Aug 2006, 20:45

Toney wins easily. Oh wait, is this an eating contest?

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 12 Aug 2006, 20:46

Decagon wrote:Heck the Yanks actually thought Michael Grant was the number one heavyweight in the world.

Good way to go there.

Yeah that's it you fight dumbass by being a dumbass.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 12 Aug 2006, 22:50

Toney TKO 5

(but, as somebody said, FWarren would never have taken this fight)

barry · Post by **barry** » 12 Aug 2006, 23:00

>>>James Toney would win if he showed up in shape, easily, but Joe Calzaghe probably wouldn't take the fight in the first place.<<<

My thoughts exactly!!!

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 12 Aug 2006, 23:51

FWarren would have never taken this fight....and why not? Because he knows better than anyone that Joe Calzaghe is an over rated southpaw.

And would get his ass kicked......

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 13 Aug 2006, 00:13

ringsider wrote:FWarren would have never taken this fight....and why not? Because he knows better than anyone that Joe Calzaghe is an over rated southpaw. And would get his ass kicked......

He doesn't evevn take fights were there is a plausible CHANCE for Joe to lose, so how on earth would he take Toney.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 13 Aug 2006, 00:14

All the BS and hype that I foolishly and without proper investigation heaped upon Lacy in regards to Calzaghe could be responsibly and reasonably attributed to Toney and it truly would be a very one sided bet your house and be safe, Toney victory.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 13 Aug 2006, 11:41

Decagon wrote:Heck the Yanks actually thought Michael Grant was the number one heavyweight in the world.

Very good point.

They forget that one.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 14 Aug 2006, 05:42

Toney would win a decision or stop Joe late. He is after all white is he not? Toney aint never gonna lose to no honky!

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 14 Aug 2006, 08:48

pundit wrote:
ringsider wrote:FWarren would have never taken this fight....and why not? Because he knows better than anyone that Joe Calzaghe is an over rated southpaw. And would get his ass kicked......
He doesn't evevn take fights were there is a plausible CHANCE for Joe to lose, so how on earth would he take Toney.

Remind me again who was the betting favourite for the Lacy fight...

And ringsider, Joe Calzaghe is alot of things, but overrated?? That certainly isnt one of them.

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 16 Aug 2006, 19:48

An in shape Toney would win either by late TKO...or UD.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 17 Aug 2006, 10:02

I don't see this being a competitive fight at all. Toney at his peak was streets ahead of the very average light hitting Calzaghe. Joe was never reaqlly tested by anyone close to Toney's calibre

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 18 Aug 2006, 05:33

Let's look at this level headedly. Both guys have something the other hates. Toney with the clean classical skills and more importantly the right hand counter. Calzaghe is quite easy to hit with right hands.

Calzaghe has the fitness and workrate that Toney never had. And also - for a man who would put on pressure - far more variety that the pressure guys that Toney chewed up. PC Williams, Barkley were top fighters, but they were predictable. Like Nunn and Johnson, JC's shots would be coming from a southpaw stance, and they would be coming with greater speed & variety.

When Toney's doing all he can, off the ropes, to slip, slide & conserve energy, Calzaghe's speed and variety would give Toney fits. Toney needs to slow fights down even in his prime & Calzaghe is better than Williams & Barkley.

Calzaghe has massive reserves of energy. Those who now attribute the Lacy win to Lacy being crap, are turning a blind eye to the huge torrents of shots that he used to bewilder Lacy.

That said, Warren wouldn't let a fight like that be made. & Calzaghe hasn't fought a boxer as good as Toney.

Toney is a master on the ropes. But there are 2 men who it would be a mistake to lay on the ropes against, for Toney: Calzaghe, and Dwight Muhammad Qawi (in mythical fights).

Anyone who says it's one sided either way is ignorant or a nuthugger. Who can shake off images of Toney getting outworked by Dave Fvcking Tiberi? Who can forget Calzaghe sucking on the right hands of Richie Woodhall?

Good match, between the two most infuriating world class fighters of the modern era.

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 18 Aug 2006, 14:37

walshb wrote:I don't see this being a competitive fight at all. Toney at his peak was streets ahead of the very average light hitting Calzaghe. Joe was never reaqlly tested by anyone close to Toney's calibre

Calzaghe's punches arent exactly soft, he has 8 ko 1s.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 18 Aug 2006, 17:19

Decagon wrote:Against whom? I assume that Calzaghe would be fighting on the undercard or something, because there's no way he'd get into the ring with a killer like James Toney.

agreed

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