Lets be fair, Canelo's best win at 168 is 40 y/o GGG, which tell us how weak were the smw champs that Canelo fought

[KiwiRider]

To be fair Kiwi, it was pretty clear he'd broken something, you could see where the bone had collapsed under the soft tissue.

I thought the surgery would be all over his social but I didn't see it. Especially after he had a go at DDD for stopping in his fight not long before for the same injury.
I admitted in my post I wasn't sure.
But I never said what I was accused of.

What were you accused of?

To be told he ducked into a shot that done him

[Cyclops]

Yeah, smw sucked when Canelo unified it. So what? He unified a division. That's not exactly nothing, is it? It's actually quite the achievement. Smith at least had a stoppage over George Groves, a very solid fighter. And won that SMW trophy. That was a good win. Saunders is a dislikable c*nt who doesn't live the life, and should have been down at least a weight below, but he wasn't sh*t. He was talented at least. Plant is crap, Yildrem is crap.

It's not the division it was during the super 6. It's not even the division of the Calzaghe era.

But respect is due. And I don't even like Canelo.

Shot 40 year old GGG gave Canelo more of a fight because he's an ATG. I've never seen a fighter so blatantly swerved in his prime. He should really be 2-1-0 against Canelo. And Canelo only fought him in the first place because he had slipped so much he arguably lost against Jacobs. So he saw a fighter ready to go, and still lost. But got saved by dodgy cards.

GGG even in his antiquity is a brilliant fighter, regardless of half a stone. It's Golovkin. Give him some props.

Sure it was a weak SMW era, but Canelo wasn't even particularly big at MW, so I respect the achievement.

[Thomastearns]

'GGG even in his antiquity is a brilliant fighter, regardless of half a stone. It's Golovkin. Give him some props.'


All but the most biased amongst us do.

Whatever others have achieved pales into insignificance with what GGG has managed.

The fall of the Soviet Union and the rise of Klitschkos threatened to change the face of boxing but right now I'd say it's still twice as hard for any non US/UK/Mexican boxers to make it to the very top.

Boxing's firmly established power centres seem determined to remain in place.

Unless somehow Saudi Arabia continues its current fascination with boxing. Money can buy anything, as we know.

Inoue should already be an absolute legend in the game but many still begrudge him a top 10 p4p place!

Such is the historical bias, prejudice and inequality that remain in this money transfer business.

[brilo33]

I mean old G put a better fight than the 168 lbs champions that Canelo fought. Weak smw era but the mw era of Canelo, GGG, Jacobs and Chenko was a good era.

well a 36 old ggg was a good win, i think good win over bjs and plant and callum smith i know American's don't rate British boxers but the uk and Ireland have dominated the super mid division for years eubanks benn collins joe ,carl george callum so caullum and billy joe are very good wins i reckon bjs would of beat triple g

[Mexi-Box]

I mean old G put a better fight than the 168 lbs champions that Canelo fought. Weak smw era but the mw era of Canelo, GGG, Jacobs and Chenko was a good era.

well a 36 old ggg was a good win, i think good win over bjs and plant and callum smith i know American's don't rate British boxers but the uk and Ireland have dominated the super mid division for years eubanks benn collins joe ,carl george callum so caullum and billy joe are very good wins i reckon bjs would of beat triple g

I honestly think Benavidez would've cleaned out the SMW division Ward fought in. I just think it's such a historically weak division. Ward moved up and got beat by Kovalev the minute he stopped fighting Eurobums like Groves and Froch. Canelo went through it like a hot knife through butter. The only fight he struggled in some was against BJS who wasn't even a legit SMW.

[brilo33]

I mean old G put a better fight than the 168 lbs champions that Canelo fought. Weak smw era but the mw era of Canelo, GGG, Jacobs and Chenko was a good era.

well a 36 old ggg was a good win, i think good win over bjs and plant and callum smith i know American's don't rate British boxers but the uk and Ireland have dominated the super mid division for years eubanks benn collins joe ,carl george callum so caullum and billy joe are very good wins i reckon bjs would of beat triple g

I honestly think Benavidez would've cleaned out the SMW division Ward fought in. I just think it's such a historically weak division. Ward moved up and got beat by Kovalev the minute he stopped fighting Eurobums like Groves and Froch. Canelo went through it like a hot knife through butter. The only fight he struggled in some was against BJS who wasn't even a legit SMW.

froch aint a bum just ward had his number sometimes that happens bjs is a great boxer agree he is a middleweight not super but Canelo is really a middleweight and if he didnt get the eye injury so early who knows but we can say that about anything, i agree about Benavidez this boy looks the real deal i think he will get his shot at saul next September as long as he keeps doing what he is doing not sure what the weight will be

[Cyclops]

I mean old G put a better fight than the 168 lbs champions that Canelo fought. Weak smw era but the mw era of Canelo, GGG, Jacobs and Chenko was a good era.

well a 36 old ggg was a good win, i think good win over bjs and plant and callum smith i know American's don't rate British boxers but the uk and Ireland have dominated the super mid division for years eubanks benn collins joe ,carl george callum so caullum and billy joe are very good wins i reckon bjs would of beat triple g

I honestly think Benavidez would've cleaned out the SMW division Ward fought in. I just think it's such a historically weak division. Ward moved up and got beat by Kovalev the minute he stopped fighting Eurobums like Groves and Froch. Canelo went through it like a hot knife through butter. The only fight he struggled in some was against BJS who wasn't even a legit SMW.

I make you wrong there. Andre Ward, Froch, Groves, Kessler, Calzaghe, Andre Dirrell, Bute, Badou Jack, Degale, Jean Pascal, Adonis Stevenson, Robin Reid, Charles Brewer, I mean even Sakio Bika was as hard as nails. SMW has had over the years I have been following it, bags of talent. And all big guys too. I've said it before but it was kind of like a junior Light heavyweight division, chocked full of guys who could really fight. I don't think it's historically weak at all. And a lot of those guys jumped up to LHW, a far more glamorous division, and did very well.

The world class MW's of the time who moved up, Jermaine Taylor, Pavlik and Abraham, all got f*cked up for being too small. That shows you something.

We can't forget RJJ and Toney briefly playing in the division too.

The recent era has been lighter weight fighters moving up, and to me they seem conspicuously small compared to the fighters of old. I like Benevidez, and maybe he'd have got some wins amongst the names there. But historically SMW has been close to a murderer's row, full of talent. It's not now, but it really was one of the divisions to watch only a few years back.

[apollo creed]

well a 36 old ggg was a good win, i think good win over bjs and plant and callum smith i know American's don't rate British boxers but the uk and Ireland have dominated the super mid division for years eubanks benn collins joe ,carl george callum so caullum and billy joe are very good wins i reckon bjs would of beat triple g

I honestly think Benavidez would've cleaned out the SMW division Ward fought in. I just think it's such a historically weak division. Ward moved up and got beat by Kovalev the minute he stopped fighting Eurobums like Groves and Froch. Canelo went through it like a hot knife through butter. The only fight he struggled in some was against BJS who wasn't even a legit SMW.

I make you wrong there. Andre Ward, Froch, Groves, Kessler, Calzaghe, Andre Dirrell, Bute, Badou Jack, Degale, Jean Pascal, Adonis Stevenson, Robin Reid, Charles Brewer, I mean even Sakio Bika was as hard as nails. SMW has had over the years I have been following it, bags of talent. And all big guys too. I've said it before but it was kind of like a junior Light heavyweight division, chocked full of guys who could really fight. I don't think it's historically weak at all. And a lot of those guys jumped up to LHW, a far more glamorous division, and did very well.

The world class MW's of the time who moved up, Jermaine Taylor, Pavlik and Abraham, all got f*cked up for being too small. That shows you something.

We can't forget RJJ and Toney briefly playing in the division too.

The recent era has been lighter weight fighters moving up, and to me they seem conspicuously small compared to the fighters of old. I like Benevidez, and maybe he'd have got some wins amongst the names there. But historically SMW has been close to a murderer's row, full of talent. It's not now, but it really was one of the divisions to watch only a few years back.

Thats very true. Those guys were some tough skilled big smw's. Even Bika gave Ward a good fight.

But its very true that Canelo has probably the best resume in boxing.

[Cyclops]

I honestly think Benavidez would've cleaned out the SMW division Ward fought in. I just think it's such a historically weak division. Ward moved up and got beat by Kovalev the minute he stopped fighting Eurobums like Groves and Froch. Canelo went through it like a hot knife through butter. The only fight he struggled in some was against BJS who wasn't even a legit SMW.

I make you wrong there. Andre Ward, Froch, Groves, Kessler, Calzaghe, Andre Dirrell, Bute, Badou Jack, Degale, Jean Pascal, Adonis Stevenson, Robin Reid, Charles Brewer, I mean even Sakio Bika was as hard as nails. SMW has had over the years I have been following it, bags of talent. And all big guys too. I've said it before but it was kind of like a junior Light heavyweight division, chocked full of guys who could really fight. I don't think it's historically weak at all. And a lot of those guys jumped up to LHW, a far more glamorous division, and did very well.

The world class MW's of the time who moved up, Jermaine Taylor, Pavlik and Abraham, all got f*cked up for being too small. That shows you something.

We can't forget RJJ and Toney briefly playing in the division too.

The recent era has been lighter weight fighters moving up, and to me they seem conspicuously small compared to the fighters of old. I like Benevidez, and maybe he'd have got some wins amongst the names there. But historically SMW has been close to a murderer's row, full of talent. It's not now, but it really was one of the divisions to watch only a few years back.

Thats very true. Those guys were some tough skilled big smw's. Even Bika gave Ward a good fight.

But its very true that Canelo has probably the best resume in boxing.

Maybe he has. But SMW is a wasteland compared to days of yore, and the post I was responding to was about Benavidez's chances during the golden years of SMW, not Canelo's.

I don't really know what your statement has to do with my post, nor the post I was responding to.