Deontay Wilder vs. Robert Helenius | FITE tv - 15 October 2022

[Cask]

come of it cas i remember my dad always making us laugh doing an impression of a grave digger brushing of his shoulders of mud and dust as it was the next corpse to face bruno , wilder is a huge puncher i mean i dont like man but i give him his dues

Wilder never fought a fighter as durable as Mike Jameson in his first 35 fights, s o O wouldn't go making fun of Bruno


If he had ONE spectacular OK over a guy known for durability, we can talk about all time power status

your right wilder had had fought dan sheehan Audley Harrison and world champion by 35 fights , not making fun of bruno the same the same way your not makeing fun of wilder

Would Bermae Stiverne have beaten Bruno you think

[Cask]

I mean was beating Bermanefor the WBC any better than beating Charles Martin for the IBF? Stiverne beat Arreola for vacant WBC

Lost it in first defence against Wilder by UD

Martin won vacant title by injury to Glazkov, was seen as a complete joke after the AJ fight and people said we d never see him again, but has actually had some decent performances since then, including against the supposed ultra bogeyman Ortiz, unlike Bermaine who just seemed to give up the ghost

Charles Martin is no worse a fighter to win a title from than Stiverne which should put the whole world champion thing into perspective

[brilo33]

Wilder never fought a fighter as durable as Mike Jameson in his first 35 fights, s o O wouldn't go making fun of Bruno


If he had ONE spectacular OK over a guy known for durability, we can talk about all time power status

your right wilder had had fought dan sheehan Audley Harrison and world champion by 35 fights , not making fun of bruno the same the same way your not makeing fun of wilder

Would Bermae Stiverne have beaten Bruno you think

possibly yea the best fighter bruno would have faced in his first 30odd fights stiverene aint a total bum would have beat danny williams michael sprott matt skelton

[Cask]

your right wilder had had fought dan sheehan Audley Harrison and world champion by 35 fights , not making fun of bruno the same the same way your not makeing fun of wilder

Would Bermae Stiverne have beaten Bruno you think

possibly yea the best fighter bruno would have faced in his first 30odd fights stiverene aint a total bum would have beat danny williams michael sprott matt skelton

Sprott and Skelton yes, although during Skeltons good run he was an in your face Mauler strong as a bear hence the nicknsame, Stiverne likes to counter punch at his own slow pace at mid range so Skelton could actually have had more success than you'd think cuz of styles, but people forget how good Danny Williams was early on, in fact Stiverne seems to suffer same nerves as Williams did. I'd pick the Kali Meehan Williams over the Arreola Stiverne

[brilo33]

Would Bermae Stiverne have beaten Bruno you think

possibly yea the best fighter bruno would have faced in his first 30odd fights stiverene aint a total bum would have beat danny williams michael sprott matt skelton

Sprott and Skelton yes, although during Skeltons good run he was an in your face Mauler strong as a bear hence the nicknsame, Stiverne likes to counter punch at his own slow pace at mid range so Skelton could actually have had more success than you'd think cuz of styles, but people forget how good Danny Williams was early on, in fact Stiverne seems to suffer same nerves as Williams did. I'd pick the Kali Meehan Williams over the Arreola Stiverne

williams and stiverne similar type fighters when williams got big he use to just back of to ropes suck it up.Arreola looks like aj next oppo , Kali Meehan reminded me of jail bird tough guy

[margaret thatcher]

bruno wouldve pounded bermane the blob

[Wee Tommy]

[TheLeprechaun]

They couldn't have made that one look more fixed. Helenius putting his chin out and going down like he was shot.

[Controversial]

Bruno at least stopped some tricky contenders and not just club fighters with bad chins like Wilders first 30 fights

Take Mike Jameson, Bruno knocked him out cold in two rounds, the only people to stop Jameson were Mike Tyson (five rounds) George Foreman (four rounds) and then undefeated in 15 Tony Fulilangi

so that is a good demonstration of Frank's power

Wilder has absolutely no durable boxers on his record like that, chinny fat club fighters to chinny contenders to a woeful champion he couldn't KO

It’s more the manner Wilder knocks people out, he flattens a lot with one punch. Bruno rarely done that. Wilders best punch would trouble any HW, it’s irreverent who he’s beat, he has that equaliser.

Anyone’s career can be dissected to look bad. Foreman fought a lot of journeyman types when he turned pro, most were under 200lb too. Tyson didn’t beat anyone half decent until his 18th fight. Check out Shavers record, loads of his fights were against poor opposition, lots had losing records


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He hasn't flattened any more than AJ or Klitschko, they get back up but are too wobbly to continue, Audley Vs Wilder, Audley is up at 8, Audley Vs Price, Audley is out cold face first on the ground

Watch how Eric Molina was clearly not scared of Wilder after tasting his power, and almost even chinned him, compared to how terrified he was of AJ, who's knockout punch almost made Molina's head snap back and touch his arse, AJ flattened Molina with the first flush punch he landed, Wilder sure didnt

Foreman fought bums, he also almost murdered undefeated Frazier and nearly killed Ken Norton coming off the Ali victories, Foreman left MANY more men lying twitching on the canvas than Wilder, Foreman was legitimately scary, Wilder seems like hell forever be insecure about his power until he actually kills someone, his carry on after the Helenius fight was embarrassinf

It doesn’t change the fact Wilder hits very hard and that’s all I’m saying, you don’t consistently flatten fighters with one punch otherwise. To say someone doesn’t punch as hard because someone else stopped them quicker is a silly argument in my opinion. Lots of examples where big punchers have gone the distance with fighters who have been stopped by others. It’s the manner of Wilders knockouts that show his power, a bit like Julian Jackson in he has that ability to end a fight quickly.

[brilo33]

wilder is the biggest banger in boxing and he always lands

[DrDuke]

Wilder is a one of the greatest punchers in history, love the dosser or hate him. He hurts everybody he faces. He cracked Ortiz' chin, after what the Cuban's punch resistance was gone, now he falls from jabs. He stopped Breazeale quickly and brutally, while Breazeale had been known for taking a lot of punishment pretty well. The guys with average or weak chins sleep long after Wilder's punches. He barely landed clean on the well-chinned Fury and he floored him several times.

[Controversial]

Had there been a different ref in the first Fury fight chances are it would’ve been waived off when Fury was poleaxed. Just goes to show the fine margins in the sport sometimes.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Had there been a different ref in the first Fury fight chances are it would’ve been waived off when Fury was poleaxed. Just goes to show the fine margins in the sport sometimes.

Jack spoke to them both in the back and he told them he’s gonna give them every opportunity.

[Controversial]

Had there been a different ref in the first Fury fight chances are it would’ve been waived off when Fury was poleaxed. Just goes to show the fine margins in the sport sometimes.

Jack spoke to them both in the back and he told them he’s gonna give them every opportunity.

Fortunately for Fury he did, I think a lot of other refs would’ve waived that off though.

[mickey1975]

Wilder at no 2 In The Ring Magazine's latest rankings.

[margaret thatcher]

ring magazine

of course king usyk is still #1, fighting uzzy > fighting wilder

[maverick23]

It’s being reported by a few people that Wilder/Helenius did 75,000 buys in the US.

Either someone’s lost decent money or no one’s ending up with a good payday.

For me, bar Canelo and mega fights, PPV is dead in the US. That doesn’t mean it won’t continually be used though.

75,000 for this. 65,000 for Andy Ruiz’s fight against Ortiz. They should have just put them in together at the start or kept them off PPV.

[Ruthless-RKO]

It’s being reported by a few people that Wilder/Helenius did 75,000 buys in the US.

Either someone’s lost decent money or no one’s ending up with a good payday.

For me, bar Canelo and mega fights, PPV is dead in the US. That doesn’t mean it won’t continually be used though.

75,000 for this. 65,000 for Andy Ruiz’s fight against Ortiz. They should have just put them in together at the start or kept them off PPV.

To me.. it seems like they just using the PPV model to squeeze money out where they can and help pay whatever purses they can.

[Controversial]

It’s being reported by a few people that Wilder/Helenius did 75,000 buys in the US.

Either someone’s lost decent money or no one’s ending up with a good payday.

For me, bar Canelo and mega fights, PPV is dead in the US. That doesn’t mean it won’t continually be used though.

75,000 for this. 65,000 for Andy Ruiz’s fight against Ortiz. They should have just put them in together at the start or kept them off PPV.

Considering there’s almost 350 million people in the U.S that’s awful numbers

[Ruthless-RKO]

It’s being reported by a few people that Wilder/Helenius did 75,000 buys in the US.

Either someone’s lost decent money or no one’s ending up with a good payday.

For me, bar Canelo and mega fights, PPV is dead in the US. That doesn’t mean it won’t continually be used though.

75,000 for this. 65,000 for Andy Ruiz’s fight against Ortiz. They should have just put them in together at the start or kept them off PPV.

Considering there’s almost 350 million people in the U.S that’s awful numbers

We established a a few years ago that USA has around 300-500k hardcore fans.. maybe even less now.

Doesn’t matter how big the country is. Boxing isn’t even in the top 10 sports in the US.

Also, considering they had a black heavyweight world champion after such a long time.. didn’t help.

When PBC first started they did great numbers on NBC, CBS, Spike and those channels.

If it’s available.. people will tune in.

[maverick23]

It’s being reported by a few people that Wilder/Helenius did 75,000 buys in the US.

Either someone’s lost decent money or no one’s ending up with a good payday.

For me, bar Canelo and mega fights, PPV is dead in the US. That doesn’t mean it won’t continually be used though.

75,000 for this. 65,000 for Andy Ruiz’s fight against Ortiz. They should have just put them in together at the start or kept them off PPV.

Considering there’s almost 350 million people in the U.S that’s awful numbers

Yeah.

They’re making boxing more of a niche sport by having a PPV every couple of weeks. It’s so short sighted.

If they’d put the fight on regular Fox Sports then I’m sure they could have generated the same kind of revenue in ad sales, driven a decent rating and built the Ruiz/Wilder fight even bigger.

PBC are having their fighters fight, on the most part, once a year and, as others have been too, are massively overpaying their fighters compared to their commercial worth. If the 75k buys is correct then, unless Wilder has a well known dance partner, he’s worth $2m or so.

[Ruthless-RKO]

It’s being reported by a few people that Wilder/Helenius did 75,000 buys in the US.

Either someone’s lost decent money or no one’s ending up with a good payday.

For me, bar Canelo and mega fights, PPV is dead in the US. That doesn’t mean it won’t continually be used though.

75,000 for this. 65,000 for Andy Ruiz’s fight against Ortiz. They should have just put them in together at the start or kept them off PPV.

Considering there’s almost 350 million people in the U.S that’s awful numbers

Yeah.

They’re making boxing more of a niche sport by having a PPV every couple of weeks. It’s so short sighted.

If they’d put the fight on regular Fox Sports then I’m sure they could have generated the same kind of revenue in ad sales, driven a decent rating and built the Ruiz/Wilder fight even bigger.

PBC are having their fighters fight, on the most part, once a year and, as others have been too, are massively overpaying their fighters compared to their commercial worth. If the 75k buys is correct then, unless Wilder has a well known dance partner, he’s worth $2m or so.

The FOX deal expired end of last year.. They opted for the one year which they had an option on, but only for PPV. There hasn't been any boxing on FOX this year.. Showtime took on most PBC cards.

[Cask]

Wilder is a one of the greatest punchers in history, love the dosser or hate him. He hurts everybody he faces. He cracked Ortiz' chin, after what the Cuban's punch resistance was gone, now he falls from jabs. He stopped Breazeale quickly and brutally, while Breazeale had been known for taking a lot of punishment pretty well. The guys with average or weak chins sleep long after Wilder's punches. He barely landed clean on the well-chinned Fury and he floored him several times.

Yeah they said Spzilka wasn't chinny he was just ruined by Wilder too, except look at Szpilkas fights, he had been dropped I think at least 7 times before Wilder fight when he was 16-0 and all of his losses are stoppages if I'm not wrong

Eric Molina, now 8 losses, 8 stoppages etc.

[margaret thatcher]

aj and wilder, 3 common opponents, aj stopped 2 of them faster

[Cask]

People got so carried away withbBellew they were saying Bellew hit harder at cruiserweight than Enzo

People always get post KO highs and go wild about theories of how that makes them such a dangerous fighter

Here's a scary Enzo KO early in his career



Bellew may have finally "CARRIED POWEHHH" at cruiser against the few opponents he fought, bit prime for prime Maccarinelli would be the far bigger hitter

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