Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[mickey1975]

Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean you can't be subjective. You should try it.

What shall I say? He did great financially with great marketing and matching? He doesn’t have one standout win!

He has beaten a string of top 10 heavyweights. To ignore that is just silly

Keith, we disagree on this guy, that’s life. He’s always been a very heavy favourite for every fight except the Usyk rematch.

[keithmoonhangover]

What shall I say? He did great financially with great marketing and matching? He doesn’t have one standout win!

He has beaten a string of top 10 heavyweights. To ignore that is just silly

Keith, we disagree on this guy, that’s life. He’s always been a very heavy favourite for every fight except the Usyk rematch.

He was the favourite for a reason. He beat Parker, takam, pulev, Klitschko, Ruiz, Whyte and Povetkin.

Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean he isn't a legitimate heavyweight.

[bedreamin]

I think Eddie Hearn was spot on last night, and I can't imagine Warren and Arum thinking otherwise, why are we giving Usyk 50%?

It's not even a question who is the bigger commercial draw, whether that's in Saudi or the UK. I'm not a fan of Tyson Fury, but you don't just give up what's rightfully yours because people want to see the fight. Is Fury even bothered about being undisputed... I doubt it, I think he'd much prefer to fight Ngannou and all the eyeballs that would bring.

Fury is in a great position, he can fight Ngannou, Wilder, Joyce even Dubois and fill out a stadium... where does Usyk go? Is Usyk even bothered about any other fights apart from undisputed?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Usyk can just go the mandatory routes.

He has 3 world title.. easy rotation.

[coneye]

Get real, he would start hot favourite against any of them, he knows that AJ and Usyk is where the big money is too

Thats the thing i can't get my head rnd , he's a monster can box can brawl , will be a favorite against anyone , yet whenever he's involved with Usyk or AJ it never seems to get made and never his fault according to him , Mickey, Doofus and Henry

Not quite true. I said all along that I wouldn’t be happy if they can’t do a deal with Usyk. I really don’t think AJ’s people have ever wanted him or Wilder. He’s taking a warm up for a shot Dillian Whyte for god sake.

Suppose it all depends what side of the fence your sitting on , I could agree with you and say your correct AJ has never wanted a bar of Fury or Wilder , that would mean i agree it was AJ's fault negotiations did'nt work out ,, but then i look at Fury and think he's never wanted a bar of Ruiz , Joyce or Usyk , Ruiz and Joyce just never seem to be called out or offered the fights with him , regards AJ taking a warm up for Whyte you could well say its a lot harder warm up than Chisora

[mickey1975]

He has beaten a string of top 10 heavyweights. To ignore that is just silly

Keith, we disagree on this guy, that’s life. He’s always been a very heavy favourite for every fight except the Usyk rematch.

He was the favourite for a reason. He beat Parker, takam, pulev, Klitschko, Ruiz, Whyte and Povetkin.

Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean he isn't a legitimate heavyweight.

Not one of those wins aged well. The Ruiz win was embarrassing. Areolla even went after Andy harder than Aj in that fight, dropping him. Of course he’s a legitimate heavyweight, just nowhere near the pedestal some have had him on. Not for me, anyway.

[big lennox]

I think Hearn is just chipping in to try and undermine Fury vs Uysk fight, so he can try and make pots of cash from a Fury vs Joshua fight.

He would rather that than the good of the sport. But then, he is someone who was happy to let a fighter who had failed two ped tests go in with a severely weight drained fighter.

I think most people attach much less weight to anything he has to say on boxing than they used to do. A pity; I used to enjoy listening to him and he seemed good at making big fights happen.

In terms of commercial value. Is it not right that Bellew vs Uysk did more buys than Fury vs Wilder, and both Joshua vs Uysk fights did more pay per view fights than any Fury fight?

As for Fury vs Ngannou. This seems morally wrong. And dangerous to put a Heavyweight Champion in against someone that hasn't boxed before?

[887986]

I think Eddie Hearn was spot on last night, and I can't imagine Warren and Arum thinking otherwise, why are we giving Usyk 50%?

It's not even a question who is the bigger commercial draw, whether that's in Saudi or the UK. I'm not a fan of Tyson Fury, but you don't just give up what's rightfully yours because people want to see the fight. Is Fury even bothered about being undisputed... I doubt it, I think he'd much prefer to fight Ngannou and all the eyeballs that would bring.

Fury is in a great position, he can fight Ngannou, Wilder, Joyce even Dubois and fill out a stadium... where does Usyk go? Is Usyk even bothered about any other fights apart from undisputed?

That's a very sad proposition where it almost feels like you suggest that boxing fans should celebrate a fighter going for exhibition matches and big money instead of cherishing a road warrior who is happy to always travel to fight in his opponent's backyard and who always seeks the best opponents to fight to become a champion in multiple divisions.

[keithmoonhangover]

Keith, we disagree on this guy, that’s life. He’s always been a very heavy favourite for every fight except the Usyk rematch.

He was the favourite for a reason. He beat Parker, takam, pulev, Klitschko, Ruiz, Whyte and Povetkin.

Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean he isn't a legitimate heavyweight.

Not one of those wins aged well. The Ruiz win was embarrassing. Areolla even went after Andy harder than Aj in that fight, dropping him. Of course he’s a legitimate heavyweight, just nowhere near the pedestal some have had him on. Not for me, anyway.

If you were rating the heavyweights of the last six years, where would you rank AJ?

[joshj909]

He was the favourite for a reason. He beat Parker, takam, pulev, Klitschko, Ruiz, Whyte and Povetkin.

Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean he isn't a legitimate heavyweight.

Not one of those wins aged well. The Ruiz win was embarrassing. Areolla even went after Andy harder than Aj in that fight, dropping him. Of course he’s a legitimate heavyweight, just nowhere near the pedestal some have had him on. Not for me, anyway.

If you were rating the heavyweights of the last six years, where would you rank AJ?

After Frank's entire stable and Fury's opponents I imagine.

Fury, Wilder, Joyce, Dubois, Ortiz, Wallin, Adeleye, Stiverne, Chisora, Schwarz, Gorman, Pianeta, Seferi, Whyte, Usyk, Ruiz, AJ. 17th best in the last 6 years?

[bedreamin]

I think Eddie Hearn was spot on last night, and I can't imagine Warren and Arum thinking otherwise, why are we giving Usyk 50%?

It's not even a question who is the bigger commercial draw, whether that's in Saudi or the UK. I'm not a fan of Tyson Fury, but you don't just give up what's rightfully yours because people want to see the fight. Is Fury even bothered about being undisputed... I doubt it, I think he'd much prefer to fight Ngannou and all the eyeballs that would bring.

Fury is in a great position, he can fight Ngannou, Wilder, Joyce even Dubois and fill out a stadium... where does Usyk go? Is Usyk even bothered about any other fights apart from undisputed?

That's a very sad proposition where it almost feels like you suggest that boxing fans should celebrate a fighter going for exhibition matches and big money instead of cherishing a road warrior who is happy to always travel to fight in his opponent's backyard and who always seeks the best opponents to fight to become a champion in multiple divisions.

I'm not saying should be celebrated, I'm just stating his realistic options.. which he might prefer. Every boxing fan would rather Fury face Usyk over anyone on that list (especially Ngannou), but it's not our career.

All I'm saying is Fury has realistic big money options, Usyk doesn't... what's he going to do, fight Filip Hrgovic for a 1/10th of the money. Nobody can ever criticise Usyk, but I think a 50/50 split in this circumstance doesn't seem right.

[keithmoonhangover]

I think Eddie Hearn was spot on last night, and I can't imagine Warren and Arum thinking otherwise, why are we giving Usyk 50%?

It's not even a question who is the bigger commercial draw, whether that's in Saudi or the UK. I'm not a fan of Tyson Fury, but you don't just give up what's rightfully yours because people want to see the fight. Is Fury even bothered about being undisputed... I doubt it, I think he'd much prefer to fight Ngannou and all the eyeballs that would bring.

Fury is in a great position, he can fight Ngannou, Wilder, Joyce even Dubois and fill out a stadium... where does Usyk go? Is Usyk even bothered about any other fights apart from undisputed?

That's a very sad proposition where it almost feels like you suggest that boxing fans should celebrate a fighter going for exhibition matches and big money instead of cherishing a road warrior who is happy to always travel to fight in his opponent's backyard and who always seeks the best opponents to fight to become a champion in multiple divisions.

I'm not saying should be celebrated, I'm just stating his realistic options.. which he might prefer. Every boxing fan would rather Fury face Usyk over anyone on that list (especially Ngannou), but it's not our career.

All I'm saying is Fury has realistic big money options, Usyk doesn't... what's he going to do, fight Filip Hrgovic for a 1/10th of the money. Nobody can ever criticise Usyk, but I think a 50/50 split in this circumstance doesn't seem right.

If the Ukraine wasn't at war, his home coming tight would sell out a stadium. If he fights Wilder in Vegas it will do massive number.

[887986]

All I'm saying is Fury has realistic big money options, Usyk doesn't... what's he going to do, fight Filip Hrgovic for a 1/10th of the money. Nobody can ever criticise Usyk, but I think a 50/50 split in this circumstance doesn't seem right.

But it's not true at all that Fury is a bigger money magnet. Usyk is a household name in the UK ever since the Bellew fight and sells big numbers. In fact, believe it or not, his fights regularly generate more PPV sales than Fury's fights.

Wladimir Klitschko vs. Tyson Fury – 545,000
Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury – 450,000
Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder II – Unreleased by BT Sport
Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III BT Sport Box Office 300,000
Tyson Fury vs Dillian Whyte – Unreleased by BT Sport
Tyson Fury vs Derek Chisora III – Unreleased by BT Sport

Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew – 603,000
Oleksandr Usyk vs. Dereck Chisora Sky Box Office 1,059,000
Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk Sky Box Office 1,232,000
Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II Sky Box Office 1,249,000

https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2022/08 ... usyk-aj-2/

The Usyk-Chisora bout is the perfect proof of why it's not just Bellew's or Joshua's name that generated all those sales when they fought Usyk.

Dillian Whyte vs. Dereck Chisora II – 438,000

An all-British clash between two fan favourites and only 438k sales, while the Usyk-Chisora bout generated almost 2.5x more sales.

[mickey1975]

Terry D on twitter- “it’s not about the money for Usyk, but we want 50/50 split”.
“Fury will fight anyone, if the price is right”
Between them, they fought Joshua and Wilder five times. It will happen. Fury wins handily. The internet breaks down.



I agree with Terry.

[mickey1975]

All I'm saying is Fury has realistic big money options, Usyk doesn't... what's he going to do, fight Filip Hrgovic for a 1/10th of the money. Nobody can ever criticise Usyk, but I think a 50/50 split in this circumstance doesn't seem right.

But it's not true at all that Fury is a bigger money magnet. Usyk is a household name in the UK ever since the Bellew fight and sells big numbers. In fact, believe it or not, his fights regularly generate more PPV sales than Fury's fights.

Wladimir Klitschko vs. Tyson Fury – 545,000
Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury – 450,000
Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder II – Unreleased by BT Sport
Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III BT Sport Box Office 300,000
Tyson Fury vs Dillian Whyte – Unreleased by BT Sport
Tyson Fury vs Derek Chisora III – Unreleased by BT Sport

Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew – 603,000
Oleksandr Usyk vs. Dereck Chisora Sky Box Office 1,059,000
Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk Sky Box Office 1,232,000
Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II Sky Box Office 1,249,000

https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2022/08 ... usyk-aj-2/

The Usyk-Chisora bout is the perfect proof of why it's not just Bellew's or Joshua's name that generated all those sales when they fought Usyk.

Dillian Whyte vs. Dereck Chisora II – 438,000

An all-British clash between two fan favourites and only 438k sales, while the Usyk-Chisora bout generated almost 2.5x more sales.

What were the American sales for those fights?

[887986]

All I'm saying is Fury has realistic big money options, Usyk doesn't... what's he going to do, fight Filip Hrgovic for a 1/10th of the money. Nobody can ever criticise Usyk, but I think a 50/50 split in this circumstance doesn't seem right.

But it's not true at all that Fury is a bigger money magnet. Usyk is a household name in the UK ever since the Bellew fight and sells big numbers. In fact, believe it or not, his fights regularly generate more PPV sales than Fury's fights.

Wladimir Klitschko vs. Tyson Fury – 545,000
Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury – 450,000
Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder II – Unreleased by BT Sport
Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III BT Sport Box Office 300,000
Tyson Fury vs Dillian Whyte – Unreleased by BT Sport
Tyson Fury vs Derek Chisora III – Unreleased by BT Sport

Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew – 603,000
Oleksandr Usyk vs. Dereck Chisora Sky Box Office 1,059,000
Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk Sky Box Office 1,232,000
Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II Sky Box Office 1,249,000

https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2022/08 ... usyk-aj-2/

The Usyk-Chisora bout is the perfect proof of why it's not just Bellew's or Joshua's name that generated all those sales when they fought Usyk.

Dillian Whyte vs. Dereck Chisora II – 438,000

An all-British clash between two fan favourites and only 438k sales, while the Usyk-Chisora bout generated almost 2.5x more sales.

What were the American sales for those fights?

I don't think there are publicly available data about that. But even the Wilder-Fury bouts were only generating around 800k (best estimate) so Fury is not the PPV king he claims himself to be - not in the US and not in the UK either. And in any case, the US viewership has little to do with the planned undisputed fight. While Fury's supposed "British PPV magnet on home soil" status is what they claim as the basis for him deserving the bigger cut, the data show that if anything, Usyk is more popular in the UK than Fury these days. The Fury-Chisora III bout was a total flop at an estimated 300k PPV sales.

[keithmoonhangover]

He was the favourite for a reason. He beat Parker, takam, pulev, Klitschko, Ruiz, Whyte and Povetkin.

Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean he isn't a legitimate heavyweight.

Not one of those wins aged well. The Ruiz win was embarrassing. Areolla even went after Andy harder than Aj in that fight, dropping him. Of course he’s a legitimate heavyweight, just nowhere near the pedestal some have had him on. Not for me, anyway.

If you were rating the heavyweights of the last six years, where would you rank AJ?

?

[mickey1975]

But it's not true at all that Fury is a bigger money magnet. Usyk is a household name in the UK ever since the Bellew fight and sells big numbers. In fact, believe it or not, his fights regularly generate more PPV sales than Fury's fights.

Wladimir Klitschko vs. Tyson Fury – 545,000
Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury – 450,000
Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder II – Unreleased by BT Sport
Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III BT Sport Box Office 300,000
Tyson Fury vs Dillian Whyte – Unreleased by BT Sport
Tyson Fury vs Derek Chisora III – Unreleased by BT Sport

Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew – 603,000
Oleksandr Usyk vs. Dereck Chisora Sky Box Office 1,059,000
Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk Sky Box Office 1,232,000
Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II Sky Box Office 1,249,000

https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2022/08 ... usyk-aj-2/

The Usyk-Chisora bout is the perfect proof of why it's not just Bellew's or Joshua's name that generated all those sales when they fought Usyk.

Dillian Whyte vs. Dereck Chisora II – 438,000

An all-British clash between two fan favourites and only 438k sales, while the Usyk-Chisora bout generated almost 2.5x more sales.

What were the American sales for those fights?

I don't think there are publicly available data about that. But even the Wilder-Fury bouts were only generating around 800k (best estimate) so Fury is not the PPV king he claims himself to be - not in the US and not in the UK either. And in any case, the US viewership has little to do with the planned undisputed fight. While Fury's supposed "British PPV magnet on home soil" status is what they claim as the basis for him deserving the bigger cut, the data show that if anything, Usyk is more popular in the UK than Fury these days. The Fury-Chisora III bout was a total flop at an estimated 300k PPV sales.

So at an American price point that’s generating far more than any fight mentioned above.

[margaret thatcher]

ya aj's resume is pretty solid, at least stiverne and breazeale aren't among the best 2 guys he's beaten lol

[bedreamin]

But it's not true at all that Fury is a bigger money magnet. Usyk is a household name in the UK ever since the Bellew fight and sells big numbers. In fact, believe it or not, his fights regularly generate more PPV sales than Fury's fights.

Wladimir Klitschko vs. Tyson Fury – 545,000
Deontay Wilder vs. Tyson Fury – 450,000
Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder II – Unreleased by BT Sport
Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III BT Sport Box Office 300,000
Tyson Fury vs Dillian Whyte – Unreleased by BT Sport
Tyson Fury vs Derek Chisora III – Unreleased by BT Sport

Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew – 603,000
Oleksandr Usyk vs. Dereck Chisora Sky Box Office 1,059,000
Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk Sky Box Office 1,232,000
Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II Sky Box Office 1,249,000

https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2022/08 ... usyk-aj-2/

The Usyk-Chisora bout is the perfect proof of why it's not just Bellew's or Joshua's name that generated all those sales when they fought Usyk.

Dillian Whyte vs. Dereck Chisora II – 438,000

An all-British clash between two fan favourites and only 438k sales, while the Usyk-Chisora bout generated almost 2.5x more sales.

What were the American sales for those fights?

I don't think there are publicly available data about that. But even the Wilder-Fury bouts were only generating around 800k (best estimate) so Fury is not the PPV king he claims himself to be - not in the US and not in the UK either. And in any case, the US viewership has little to do with the planned undisputed fight. While Fury's supposed "British PPV magnet on home soil" status is what they claim as the basis for him deserving the bigger cut, the data show that if anything, Usyk is more popular in the UK than Fury these days. The Fury-Chisora III bout was a total flop at an estimated 300k PPV sales.

Sorry, but there is no chance Usyk - Chisora did over 1m buys, WBN is notorious for just making stuff up. Usyk's manger came out about the Fury fight and said we sold 500k for Bellew fight, I think he might have mentioned over 1m for Chisora.

Most of those fights were on US time, so never going to get high PPV numbers in the UK. I'm not sure of the argument, do people think Usyk is a bigger commercial draw than Fury? Maybe I'm wrong but can't see it.

[mickey1975]

ya aj's resume is pretty solid, at least stiverne and breazeale aren't among the best 2 guys he's beaten lol

Yet still darent face the two main rivals of his career.

[margaret thatcher]

ya aj's resume is pretty solid, at least stiverne and breazeale aren't among the best 2 guys he's beaten lol

Yet still darent face the two main rivals of his career.

usyk > wilder

wilder and fury havent faced usyk or aj, omg omg

[keithmoonhangover]

ya aj's resume is pretty solid, at least stiverne and breazeale aren't among the best 2 guys he's beaten lol

Yet still darent face the two main rivals of his career.

He just fought Usyk...... twice.

[887986]

What were the American sales for those fights?

I don't think there are publicly available data about that. But even the Wilder-Fury bouts were only generating around 800k (best estimate) so Fury is not the PPV king he claims himself to be - not in the US and not in the UK either. And in any case, the US viewership has little to do with the planned undisputed fight. While Fury's supposed "British PPV magnet on home soil" status is what they claim as the basis for him deserving the bigger cut, the data show that if anything, Usyk is more popular in the UK than Fury these days. The Fury-Chisora III bout was a total flop at an estimated 300k PPV sales.

So at an American price point that’s generating far more than any fight mentioned above.

But the upcoming undisputed bout is from a British price point. Team Fury argues that Fury deserves the bigger cut as he fights on home soil where he is the "people's champion" and "the PPV king" (neither of these statements is true though). Fury might be bigger than Usyk in the US but only because of Wilder. Until the first Wilder bout, nobody gave a damn about Fury in the US. Usyk did what he could when he schooled Hunter in the US but CW was never a great division to gain popularity with in the States. Fury simply had more time and opportunity to make himself known to the US audiences. Usyk could easily do the same if given the opportunity.

[polecateddy]

I don't think there are publicly available data about that. But even the Wilder-Fury bouts were only generating around 800k (best estimate) so Fury is not the PPV king he claims himself to be - not in the US and not in the UK either. And in any case, the US viewership has little to do with the planned undisputed fight. While Fury's supposed "British PPV magnet on home soil" status is what they claim as the basis for him deserving the bigger cut, the data show that if anything, Usyk is more popular in the UK than Fury these days. The Fury-Chisora III bout was a total flop at an estimated 300k PPV sales.

So at an American price point that’s generating far more than any fight mentioned above.

But the upcoming undisputed bout is from a British price point. Team Fury argues that Fury deserves the bigger cut as he fights on home soil where he is the "people's champion" and "the PPV king" (neither of these statements is true though). Fury might be bigger than Usyk in the US but only because of Wilder. Until the first Wilder bout, nobody gave a damn about Fury in the US. Usyk did what he could when he schooled Hunter in the US but CW was never a great division to gain popularity with in the States. Fury simply had more time and opportunity to make himself known to the US audiences. Usyk could easily do the same if given the opportunity.

It amazes me people are overthinking this to this extent. Surely Fury is just sitting happily enough in (not so sunny) Morecambe thinking I’m 34, I’ll just have a couple of years fighting some easy plodders and make some millions. Usyk, Joshua, and Joyce. There is little to no chance - they just priced themselves out or whatever excuse. I think he likes being an enigma rather than really trying to prove he’s worth mentioning on the same breath as Lennox Lewis.