Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[margaret thatcher]

Here's an idea: technically, Usyk is the legit and reigning lineal champion, not Fury.

Fury was using PEDs when he beat Wlad. That in itself puts an asterisk to his lineal championship claims but what's more important: he was absent from the sport for 2 years because of the ban he got for using banned substances. This means that Wlad once again/still was the lineal champion when Joshua beat him. Usyk then went on to beat Joshua hence becoming the reigning lineal champion.

To be honest I would be far more suspicious of a man who started off as a middleweight in the amateurs becoming the heavyweight champion when it comes to drug use.

Personally I'm surprised they're still people out there who believe professional athletes don't take performance enhancing drugs because I'm convinced 90% of athletes regardless of sports are on something at one point or another.

You may as well put an asterisk around everybody's records. Basically every athlete from the 1960s onwards you may as well look at as being a person with a high probability of having taken steroids or human growth hormone or some other drug that helped benefit them in some way shape or form.

wait, so fury actually was caught with peds multiple times, but you're far more suspicious of usyk using drugs

[The Gratest]

Boxer growth can be a very strange matter though.
I mean, the first picture here was (according to Henry) taken when Tommy turned pro in December 2018. The second one, was just over 3 years later. Amazing.

(Tommy is 6ft tall, 3 inches shorter than Usyk/Paris)

[HomicideHenry]

Actually yes I am considering the only man to do the same feat that the Ukrainian has done has been Evander Holyfield and his career was tainted with performance enhancing drug use and we all know that many athletes in the former Soviet Union have been guilty of using performance enhancing drugs.

How many small heavyweights have you seen in the past 30 years remotely do anything that the Ukrainian has done?

Be quick name them for me.

Oh and before you can say David Haye, let's remind the public: Tony Bellew and Dereck Chisora both accused Haye of taking steroids. A simple Google search will show thread after thread after thread across multiple boxing websites of people believing that his so-called retirements was for David Haye to get on steroid cycles.

Furthermore people forget that for years people speculated whether the Klitschko brothers were not on performance enhancing drugs themselves especially Vladimir considering his physique well into his career.

It certainly not out of the realm of possibility that a man in his 30s can be so quick and athletic, but if you look at his performances against Chazz Witherspoon and against Dereck Chisora it's like a completely different guy who kind of struggled a little bit with them and yet he had zero problems with Anthony Joshua.

And considering he does the bulk of his training camps in the Ukraine who is to say that he doesn't go through cycles before heading to another camp in a foreign land doing light exercises for the remainder of the camp?

It's easy to imagine the man does not get tested under close supervision in the Ukraine. And for all you know whatever blood and urine samples being tested may not even be his own.

Regardless I think one has to be a complete simpleton to assume that athletes today are not on some sort of drugs and hormone therapies. I noticed an awful lot of boxers have surgeries and I can't help but think perhaps they have minor procedures done just so they can be prescribed steroids for faster healing times.

[The Gratest]

Chris Byrd, won silver at the Olympics as a middleweight, then became 2 x heavyweight World champion, defeating 6ft 8" Vit Klitschko and Evander Holyfield

[887986]

Here's an idea: technically, Usyk is the legit and reigning lineal champion, not Fury.

Fury was using PEDs when he beat Wlad. That in itself puts an asterisk to his lineal championship claims but what's more important: he was absent from the sport for 2 years because of the ban he got for using banned substances. This means that Wlad once again/still was the lineal champion when Joshua beat him. Usyk then went on to beat Joshua hence becoming the reigning lineal champion.

To be honest I would be far more suspicious of a man who started off as a middleweight in the amateurs becoming the heavyweight champion when it comes to drug use.

Personally I'm surprised they're still people out there who believe professional athletes don't take performance enhancing drugs because I'm convinced 90% of athletes regardless of sports are on something at one point or another.

You may as well put an asterisk around everybody's records. Basically every athlete from the 1960s onwards you may as well look at as being a person with a high probability of having taken steroids or human growth hormone or some other drug that helped benefit them in some way shape or form.

So Fury is a proven drug cheat yet Usyk is the suspicious one. Got it.

You do know that Usyk was already a heavyweight, fighting at 200+ lbs in 2008 as a 21-year-old, right?

[887986]

Actually yes I am considering the only man to do the same feat that the Ukrainian has done has been Evander Holyfield and his career was tainted with performance enhancing drug use and we all know that many athletes in the former Soviet Union have been guilty of using performance enhancing drugs.

How many small heavyweights have you seen in the past 30 years remotely do anything that the Ukrainian has done?

Be quick name them for me.

Oh and before you can say David Haye, let's remind the public: Tony Bellew and Dereck Chisora both accused Haye of taking steroids. A simple Google search will show thread after thread after thread across multiple boxing websites of people believing that his so-called retirements was for David Haye to get on steroid cycles.

Furthermore people forget that for years people speculated whether the Klitschko brothers were not on performance enhancing drugs themselves especially Vladimir considering his physique well into his career.

It certainly not out of the realm of possibility that a man in his 30s can be so quick and athletic, but if you look at his performances against Chazz Witherspoon and against Dereck Chisora it's like a completely different guy who kind of struggled a little bit with them and yet he had zero problems with Anthony Joshua.

And considering he does the bulk of his training camps in the Ukraine who is to say that he doesn't go through cycles before heading to another camp in a foreign land doing light exercises for the remainder of the camp?

It's easy to imagine the man does not get tested under close supervision in the Ukraine. And for all you know whatever blood and urine samples being tested may not even be his own.

Regardless I think one has to be a complete simpleton to assume that athletes today are not on some sort of drugs and hormone therapies. I noticed an awful lot of boxers have surgeries and I can't help but think perhaps they have minor procedures done just so they can be prescribed steroids for faster healing times.

Yes, it must be PEDs surely and the fact that Usyk is a once-in-a-generation talent with a matching attitude, discipline and work ethic has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[HomicideHenry]

Chris Byrd, won silver at the Olympics as a middleweight, then became 2 x heavyweight World champion, defeating 6ft 8" Vit Klitschko and Evander Holyfield

Correction. 1x WBO champion when that title did not hold as much weight as it does today. 1x IBF title holder. In reality he was only an alphabet champion. But bravo I will give it to you even though that particular era in heavyweight history was pretty weak considering John Ruiz was a two-time WBA heavyweight champion.

Which reminds me that James Toney got busted for steroids in that same era and he always looked like a fat guy. So it's possible that perhaps Chris Byrd himself was also on some sort of performance enhancing drugs.

[887986]

It certainly not out of the realm of possibility that a man in his 30s can be so quick and athletic, but if you look at his performances against Chazz Witherspoon and against Dereck Chisora it's like a completely different guy who kind of struggled a little bit with them and yet he had zero problems with Anthony Joshua.

Ever heard the one about styles make fights?

So he struggled against Witherspoon, you say? That's a new one. As for Chisora: Del Boy was literally saved by the bell in the 7th. Chisora is a pressure fighter/slugger with a low point of gravity - when he gets down and charges he is a difficult target. Del Boy did what he had to do: he knew he wouldn't stand a chance to win on points so he came out swinging for the hills. A fighter with Chisora's style and a fighter like Usyk, a stick-and-move merchant, will always have that type of fight. Also, Usyk has always been a slow starter. He weathered the storm in the first few rounds, then got into his rhythm and boxed Del Boy's ears off. What was he supposed to do, knock Chisora out in 2? He was never sparking people as a CW and he was actually ordered not to knock Chisora out anyway as they wanted him to play possum and make Joshua believe he would be easy pickings. Apparently, it worked - and not only on Joshua but on the armies of Fury fans who keep trying to push this casual agenda about how Usyk "struggled" against Chisora to this day.

Where did this nonsense of "Usyk struggling" come from anyway? What was the supposed indication of a fight between a slugger and a classic "sweet science" type of boxer? Did anyone seriously believe that the Joshuas and the Furys of the world would try to do the same, get down low to charge forward, swinging like a bat out of hell, hoping for a quick knockout?

[The Gratest]

Chris Byrd, won silver at the Olympics as a middleweight, then became 2 x heavyweight World champion, defeating 6ft 8" Vit Klitschko and Evander Holyfield

Correction. 1x WBO champion when that title did not hold as much weight as it does today. 1x IBF title holder. In reality he was only an alphabet champion. But bravo I will give it to you even though that particular era in heavyweight history was pretty weak considering John Ruiz was a two-time WBA heavyweight champion.

Which reminds me that James Toney got busted for steroids in that same era and he always looked like a fat guy. So it's possible that perhaps Chris Byrd himself was also on some sort of performance enhancing drugs.

If it was just alphabet titles, why did you bring up David Haye as an example?

He won the WBO title from Vit Klitschko. It's not the belt, it's who you win it from that matters, so stop trying pathetically (as usual) to devalue something just because it goes against your agenda.

You're now attempting to devalue Chris Byrd by bringing up a completey different fighter in James Toney? Hey, James Toney's surname starts with the same letter as Tyson Fury's first name and he's also been pretty fat so he must still be on PEDs seeing as he's now not so fat! What an idiotic connection to make.

You're pretty pathetic when it comes to these sort of discussions, willing to basically lie because of your obsession with all things Tyson Fury.

[margaret thatcher]

chazz witherspoon landed maybe 15 punches in 7 rounds vs usyk, to say usyk struggled with him is f@cking laughable

[HomicideHenry]

By the way what is up with all of these numbered account names? Is it people who already are registered but want to troll and want to give the impression of multiple people ganging up on somebody's opinion?

Anyways on the basis of Witherspoon and Chisora there was very few people who actually gave the Ukrainian a shot against Joshua because quite frankly he did look like crap against the both of them.

[HomicideHenry]

chazz witherspoon landed maybe 15 punches in 7 rounds vs usyk, to say usyk struggled with him is f@cking laughable

The fact that it took your hero 7 rounds to put away a glorified journeyman says a lot more than your insults do. You honestly contribute nothing but horseshit.

[The Gratest]

By the way what is up with all of these numbered account names? Is it people who already are registered but want to troll and want to give the impression of multiple people ganging up on somebody's opinion?

Anyways on the basis of Witherspoon and Chisora there was very few people who actually gave the Ukrainian a shot against Joshua because quite frankly he did look like crap against the both of them.

From a guy who stated Usyk and Paris Fury are the same size, and then lied when stating the photo of a 16/17 year old Tommy Fury was taken when he turned pro, to accuse some else of being a troll is, well, being a troll.

[The Gratest]

chazz witherspoon landed maybe 15 punches in 7 rounds vs usyk, to say usyk struggled with him is f@cking laughable

The fact that it took your hero 7 rounds to put away a glorified journeyman says a lot more than your insults do. You honestly contribute nothing but horseshit.

Quicker than Fury recently took to put away a glorified journeyman then.

[HomicideHenry]

Chris Byrd, won silver at the Olympics as a middleweight, then became 2 x heavyweight World champion, defeating 6ft 8" Vit Klitschko and Evander Holyfield

Correction. 1x WBO champion when that title did not hold as much weight as it does today. 1x IBF title holder. In reality he was only an alphabet champion. But bravo I will give it to you even though that particular era in heavyweight history was pretty weak considering John Ruiz was a two-time WBA heavyweight champion.

Which reminds me that James Toney got busted for steroids in that same era and he always looked like a fat guy. So it's possible that perhaps Chris Byrd himself was also on some sort of performance enhancing drugs.

He won the WBO title from Vit Klitschko. It's not the belt, it's who you win it from that matters, so stop trying pathetically (as usual) to devalue something just because it goes against your agenda.

And the only reason why Chris Byrd got that stupid belt from Klitschko was because Klitschko quit in his corner because of the dislocated shoulder not because he actually won the damn thing he was so far down on the cards it wasn't even funny so quit elevating the win as if it meant something.

[The Gratest]

Correction. 1x WBO champion when that title did not hold as much weight as it does today. 1x IBF title holder. In reality he was only an alphabet champion. But bravo I will give it to you even though that particular era in heavyweight history was pretty weak considering John Ruiz was a two-time WBA heavyweight champion.

Which reminds me that James Toney got busted for steroids in that same era and he always looked like a fat guy. So it's possible that perhaps Chris Byrd himself was also on some sort of performance enhancing drugs.

He won the WBO title from Vit Klitschko. It's not the belt, it's who you win it from that matters, so stop trying pathetically (as usual) to devalue something just because it goes against your agenda.

And the only reason why Chris Byrd got that stupid belt from Klitschko was because Klitschko quit in his corner because of the dislocated shoulder not because he actually won the damn thing he was so far down on the cards it wasn't even funny so quit elevating the win as if it meant something.

He lasted all those rounds against one of the heaviest punchers at heavyweight ever. Icky little former middleweight, smaller than Paris Fury, toughed it out until Vit quit. Stop trolling you clown

[HomicideHenry]

chazz witherspoon landed maybe 15 punches in 7 rounds vs usyk, to say usyk struggled with him is f@cking laughable

The fact that it took your hero 7 rounds to put away a glorified journeyman says a lot more than your insults do. You honestly contribute nothing but horseshit.

Quicker than Fury recently took to put away a glorified journeyman then.

Chisora is in no way, shape or form comparable to Witherspoon, lmao. That's got to be the most hilarious thing I've ever heard.

By the way what is up with all of these numbered account names? Is it people who already are registered but want to troll and want to give the impression of multiple people ganging up on somebody's opinion?

Anyways on the basis of Witherspoon and Chisora there was very few people who actually gave the Ukrainian a shot against Joshua because quite frankly he did look like crap against the both of them.

From a guy who stated Usyk and Paris Fury are the same size, and then lied when stating the photo of a 16/17 year old Tommy Fury was taken when he turned pro, to accuse some else of being a troll is, well, being a troll.

It's not my fault you people can't do math or understand anything. If Paris is 5'11" then Usyk is only like three or four inches taller than she is and if she is 150 lb then he is only 50 or 60 pounds heavier than she is. Which would mean he is closer to her size than Tyson Fury's size because Tyson would be 6-7 inches taller and 60 to 70 lb heavier.

If you cannot understand that he is closer to her size than he is Tyson Fury size then I don't know what to tell you you're just mathematically incompetent.

[margaret thatcher]

chazz witherspoon landed maybe 15 punches in 7 rounds vs usyk, to say usyk struggled with him is f@cking laughable

The fact that it took your hero 7 rounds to put away a glorified journeyman says a lot more than your insults do. You honestly contribute nothing but horseshit.

jesus bless

[tiny_acres]

Chris Byrd, won silver at the Olympics as a middleweight, then became 2 x heavyweight World champion, defeating 6ft 8" Vit Klitschko and Evander Holyfield

Correction. 1x WBO champion when that title did not hold as much weight as it does today. 1x IBF title holder. In reality he was only an alphabet champion. But bravo I will give it to you even though that particular era in heavyweight history was pretty weak considering John Ruiz was a two-time WBA heavyweight champion.

Which reminds me that James Toney got busted for steroids in that same era and he always looked like a fat guy. So it's possible that perhaps Chris Byrd himself was also on some sort of performance enhancing drugs.

I am still trying to figure out if your boxing knowledge or political knowledge is worse.
I just know you are a huge insufferable pudendum either way

[The Gratest]

Please find where, other than your fantasy lying mind, there's proof of Paris being 5ft 11". You just made that up, you lied, just like you lie whenever you get backed into a corner. That's not very Godly.

the man is not much bigger than Tyson Fury's wife.

You also lied about the photo of Tommy. All lies lies lies.
A busy time at confession tomorrow.

God Bless you and your continuation of lies in the name of Jesus Christ the Almighty.

[margaret thatcher]

big paris fury, packing that heavyweight meat, you strange strange man

[The Gratest]

Lets not discount her boxing Olympic gold and titles at numerous weights, starting from her natural 125lbs Featherweight title, all the way up to Heavyweight. It's not just about weight, but boxing skills as well.

[Grilling Machine]

6'10" Tyson Fury!

[HomicideHenry]

If and when Tyson Fury fights Usyk and wins, I will be playing that Randy Travis song "I Told You So." No longer replying to this joke of a thread overrun by rude individuals who take grudges from other areas of the forum and bring it into other threads. You people literally are killjoys.

[margaret thatcher]

lol, whether fury or usyk wins isnt even what you've been discussing in most of the thread, it's inane bullsh!t like paris fury being roughly the size of 6'3 220 pound usyk or the obsession with lineal champs

pretty much none of this back and forth has been about the fight result, i have picked fury several times to win the fight, and have mentioned this in conversations with you, but predictably you cant retain any information and as usual you miss the point