In a stronger era, Lewis faced far more top-rated adversaries than Fury has including finishing with Klitschko as you say. One of Fury's problems (I think) is that he's terrified of losing, his legacy will be looked upon far less favourably if Wilder is the only one he fights out of the current big names.
Yes, I suspect you're correct, I don;'t think he's afraid of being hurt, he's afraid of losing, much like Calzaghe was.
Interesting comparison with Calzaghe, certainly some similarities there in terms of contemporaries missing from records and it does taint the legacy. As an example and continuing with Calzaghe, he was a more talented boxer than Carl Froch and had the potential for real greatness if he had stepped out of his comfort zone, but Froch, although he lost some fights has the better legacy.
And therein lies the rub.
Carl wanted to fight everyone and did. He took his setbacks like a pro and went up a level. I see Froch’s legacy superior to Joes.
In a stronger era, Lewis faced far more top-rated adversaries than Fury has including finishing with Klitschko as you say. One of Fury's problems (I think) is that he's terrified of losing, his legacy will be looked upon far less favourably if Wilder is the only one he fights out of the current big names.
Yes, I suspect you're correct, I don;'t think he's afraid of being hurt, he's afraid of losing, much like Calzaghe was.
I think with Calzaghe he had that many hand injuries he just wasn’t fit to fight a lot of the time.
Also, I think it wasn't worth boxing Sven Ottke in Germany (who wouldn't fight anywhere else). It seemed you had to knock him out to get a draw. I vividly remember Robin Reid getting ripped off completely. I think there were at least two other fights that should have gone against Otke.
Yes, I suspect you're correct, I don;'t think he's afraid of being hurt, he's afraid of losing, much like Calzaghe was.
I think with Calzaghe he had that many hand injuries he just wasn’t fit to fight a lot of the time.
Also, I think it wasn't worth boxing Sven Ottke in Germany (who wouldn't fight anywhere else). It seemed you had to knock him out to get a draw. I vividly remember Robin Reid getting ripped off completely. I think there were at least two other fights that should have gone against Otke.
i remember watching that fight and the ref being really against reid as well as the judges, horrible decision
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:37As predicted by myself and others just minutes ago, Warren is now talking about Fury retiring.
polecateddy wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 12:20I don’t think any of the current crop of AJ, Fury, Dubois or Joyce (in the future) are great champions.
In terms of all-time chat I think Joyce's chin has a chance of making it. Joshua's gonna be the new Bruno — a yardstick for future comparisons.
Usyk's a lock for the cruiserweight HoF, but it's hard not to see him as Byrd+ at heavy.
I don’t think he’s Byrd+. If anything Bryd has better skills and obviously mastered a decent range of heavyweights, even as he aged and slowly faded. And nobody is putting Bryd on a great pedestal. It’s just a sign of the times that there’s too much hype on Fury, Usyk, and Joyce’s chin. They’re all getting so old. I can’t imagine any of them will be doing anything much more, other than Joyce I suppose.
I’d half-expect Joshua to look rubbish v Franklin and retire. He’s got the end written all over him. I think AJ is an example of a fighter who went into the pro game a little green and at some point suffered badly from arrested development, probably as he began to get ever more distracted by fame.
Wish one of these media outlets would have the bollocks to ask one simple question: why has Sugar Hill stated you weren’t training for the April date and had a flight back to America booked?
Fury never had a camp or his trainer booked.
He had no intention of fighting on the 29th of April, no intention of signing anything with Uysk, it was just a giant waste of everyone's time.
KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 17:11
Fury never had a camp or his trainer booked.
He had no intention of fighting on the 29th of April, no intention of signing anything with Uysk, it was just a giant waste of everyone's time.
But what about all those camera shots in the gym with Joseph Parker and the bravado, fugazi and foul mouthed nonsense?
KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 17:11
Fury never had a camp or his trainer booked.
He had no intention of fighting on the 29th of April, no intention of signing anything with Uysk, it was just a giant waste of everyone's time.
But what about all those camera shots in the gym with Joseph Parker and the bravado, fugazi and foul mouthed nonsense?
A shame. I thought more of Joseph Parker
Parker is dumb enough to just do what he is told by Tyson in the sad belief that they are friends and not just Tyson and his buddies taking his money
KiwiRider wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 17:11
Fury never had a camp or his trainer booked.
He had no intention of fighting on the 29th of April, no intention of signing anything with Uysk, it was just a giant waste of everyone's time.
But what about all those camera shots in the gym with Joseph Parker and the bravado, fugazi and foul mouthed nonsense?
A shame. I thought more of Joseph Parker
Parker is dumb enough to just do what he is told by Tyson in the sad belief that they are friends and not just Tyson and his buddies taking his money
Sad if true. But looks probable judging by the Instagram nonsense.
scared fury wont give him an interview again if he spoke against fury
Davies, Bunce and Oliver are the biggest brown nosers in boxing.
Correct. And Hart is just awful. I remember his article on the day Naz boxed Barerra. Hart said how amazing
Naz was and had the chance to join the pantheon of greats.
Then, on the Monday, after Naz lost, he did a poisonous article saying that Naz was hopeless and had always been overrated etc.
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Frostieballs wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 18:05
There is also another interesting question to be asked here.
Why couldn’t a deal be made in the Middle East?
Both fighters were due to agree terms directly with the backers.
Which fighter couldn’t - or was it both?
It was Fury apparantly Usyk negotiated his deal and was happy , Fury demanded a lot more than rthe Saudis were willing to pay , thats when the writing was on the wall
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 10:31
Can you imagine Fury doing what Lennox did, and taking on Vitali K as a late replacement for a much less dangerous opponent.
That's what a proper heavyweight champion does - and it means that lennox capped off his career, with a win over potentially the most dangerous guy he could have faced.
I know there was controversy over the stoppage, but that's not Lennoxs fault.
If anything the stoppage did Vitali a favour. That last short right hand to the temple in the closing seconds, looked like beginning of the end for Vitali.
Lewis taking on Klitschko on late notice (who already had a fight scheduled), was something great champions do.
He was holding on for dear life after that right hand. He had taken a huge uppercut in the round which we all remember.
Lewis was like a terminator that night. He was going to will the victory out of himself at any cost and Manny Stewart was there to ensure he did it.
I don't understand how anyone could think Vitali was going to win that fight at that point. Lewis was the one robbed of a conclusive finish.
What a right dick this fella looks.
60 yr old man with bouffant mullet hair do .. trying to look cool like his 1970's hey day with shirt undone and blue sunglasses.
Why would anyone expect him to be anything other than the d1ck head he looks?
And Colin Hart has been a parody of the clueless armchair expert since I can remember.
doesn't know his arse from his elbow, Frank's old mate. Did he mention Ali?