BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Zhang

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Just a reminder of the current rankings.

Parker is fighting midweek.

[oogiebe]

Only one of those upcoming fights should be voted on here.

[oogiebe]

Just a reminder of the current rankings.

Parker is fighting midweek.

Parker can only drop.

[joshj909]

Just a reminder of the current rankings.

Parker is fighting midweek.

Parker can only drop.

Will we even be voting on him? We didn't vote on Bakole

[Ruthless-RKO]

Just a reminder of the current rankings.

Parker is fighting midweek.

Parker can only drop.

Will we even be voting on him? We didn't vote on Bakole

It's times like this, i think we shouldn't vote him down.

At least he'd fighting. Some hardly fight and keep their rankings, and the ones that do have the odd crap fight and win, we end up dropping them.

I wouldn't see him above Joyce. Yes, JJ lost his last bout, but it was only 2 bouts ago that he was stopped by him.

[gregregegg]

I think it’s safe to say if Parker wins he remains where he is. Opelu isn’t terrible, he is absolutely no Martz like frank Sanchez fought… but he should be well and truely over matched here.

[joshj909]

Parker can only drop.

Will we even be voting on him? We didn't vote on Bakole

It's times like this, i think we shouldn't vote him down.

At least he'd fighting. Some hardly fight and keep their rankings, and the ones that do have the odd crap fight and win, we end up dropping them.

I wouldn't see him above Joyce. Yes, JJ lost his last bout, but it was only 2 bouts ago that he was stopped by him.

I think my take is to re-adjust for how perceptions of other records have changed over time. I'd still rank it as below. Might be worth doing a big one when Pulev gets voted out and vote on the movements of Bakole, Parker and whoever else has fought in the mean time.

8. Joyce
9. Sanchez
10. Parker
11. Wilder
12. Ajagba
13. Makhmudov
14. Chisora
15. Bakole

[oogiebe]

Will we even be voting on him? We didn't vote on Bakole

It's times like this, i think we shouldn't vote him down.

At least he'd fighting. Some hardly fight and keep their rankings, and the ones that do have the odd crap fight and win, we end up dropping them.

I wouldn't see him above Joyce. Yes, JJ lost his last bout, but it was only 2 bouts ago that he was stopped by him.

I think my take is to re-adjust for how perceptions of other records have changed over time. I'd still rank it as below. Might be worth doing a big one when Pulev gets voted out and vote on the movements of Bakole, Parker and whoever else has fought in the mean time.

8. Joyce
9. Sanchez
10. Parker
11. Wilder
12. Ajagba
13. Makhmudov
14. Chisora
15. Bakole

Ummmm...no

[Ruthless-RKO]

Not voting on Parker..

Here's an update, with the records ammended.

Current ranking:
Tyson Fury - 33(24) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Anthony Joshua - 25(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Zhilei Zhang - 25(20) 1(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

6. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Joseph Parker - 32(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Dillian Whyte - 29(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Martin Bakole - 19(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Frank Sanchez - 22(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 13(4) 0 - next fight: TBA
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Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

09.06.2023 - Ivan Dychko - 12(11) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #51) vs. Ariel Esteban Bracamonte - 11(6) 10(6) 0 - (BoxRec's #205)

24.06.2023 - Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 3(2) 0 - (BoxRec's #39) vs. Joe Cusumano - 21(19) 4(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #106)

01.07.2023 - Arslanbek Makhmudov - 16(15) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #18) vs. vs. Raphael Akpejiori - 15(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #79)

01.07.2023 - Jared Anderson - 14(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #31) vs. Zhan Kossobutskiy - 19(18) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #29)

[gregregegg]

Not voting on Parker..

Here's an update, with the records ammended.

Current ranking:
Tyson Fury - 33(24) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Anthony Joshua - 25(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Zhilei Zhang - 25(20) 1(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

6. Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Joseph Parker - 32(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Dillian Whyte - 29(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Martin Bakole - 19(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Frank Sanchez - 22(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 13(4) 0 - next fight: TBA
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Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

09.06.2023 - Ivan Dychko - 12(11) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #51) vs. Ariel Esteban Bracamonte - 11(6) 10(6) 0 - (BoxRec's #205)

24.06.2023 - Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 3(2) 0 - (BoxRec's #39) vs. Joe Cusumano - 21(19) 4(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #106)

01.07.2023 - Arslanbek Makhmudov - 16(15) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #18) vs. vs. Raphael Akpejiori - 15(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #79)

01.07.2023 - Jared Anderson - 14(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #31) vs. Zhan Kossobutskiy - 19(18) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #29)

Not a single top 15 heavyweight booked to fight... wow, what a time to be a boxing fan.

[KiwiRider]

Just saw the Parker fight.

Mark him down...

[joshj909]

Huni Vs Tabiti at HW announced for 17th June Prograis card.

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Huni Vs Tabiti at HW announced for 17th June Prograis card.

Wohoo!!

[adislav123]

winner may be candidate for spot 15? could he? close enough for a vote?

definitely worth a discussion about the possibilty of a discussion about that vote.

[gregregegg]

Just saw the Parker fight.

Mark him down...

Can’t vote him down for demolishing opelu I. 90 seconds. Opelu isn’t great but he is better than a lot of tick over guys used…

[KiwiRider]

Just saw the Parker fight.

Mark him down...

Can’t vote him down for demolishing opelu I. 90 seconds. Opelu isn’t great but he is better than a lot of tick over guys used…

It was based on the boxrec algorithm that marks a boxer down for taking soft wins. That was a ridiculous fight, and absurdly it was PPV.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Robert Helenius To Return on August 5 in Savonlinna, Finland

On August 5th, the 39-year old Nordic Nightmare, heavyweight contender Robert Helenius (31-4), returns to action for the first time since the short fight against Deontay Wilder in October of 2022 and takes on 41-year old Mika Mielonen (6-0) in the headliner of the annual show in Savonlinna, Finland.

It will be the first time as a pro that Helenius fights a compatriot.

None of Mielonen's previous fights has gone the distance - and this one isn't likely to go far either.

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Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

09.06.2023 - Ivan Dychko - 12(11) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #51) vs. Ariel Esteban Bracamonte - 11(6) 10(6) 0 - (BoxRec's #205)

16.06.2023 - Justis Huni - 7(4) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #48) vs. Andrew Tabiti - 20(16) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #32)

24.06.2023 - Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 3(2) 0 - (BoxRec's #39) vs. Joe Cusumano - 21(19) 4(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #106)

01.07.2023 - Arslanbek Makhmudov - 16(15) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #18) vs. vs. Raphael Akpejiori - 15(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #79)

01.07.2023 - Jared Anderson - 14(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #31) vs. Zhan Kossobutskiy - 19(18) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #29)

[SportsRatings]

I think Huni's way underrated at #48, and Tabiti overrated at #32 as a heavyweight. I guess winning would help Huni in Boxrec's rankings but beating a guy one fight away from cruiserweight (who isn't Usyk obviously) won't really wake people up to him.

Obviously if he loses I'll have to re-evaluate both him and Tabiti

[gregregegg]

I think Huni's way underrated at #48, and Tabiti overrated at #32 as a heavyweight. I guess winning would help Huni in Boxrec's rankings but beating a guy one fight away from cruiserweight (who isn't Usyk obviously) won't really wake people up to him.

Obviously if he loses I'll have to re-evaluate both him and Tabiti

Tab is ranked 32 boxrec at cruiser. which is a very thin division. plus the little downgrade you get moving up.... probably converts to 50th-ish as a boxrec ranking at heavyweight.

[SportsRatings]

I think Huni's way underrated at #48, and Tabiti overrated at #32 as a heavyweight. I guess winning would help Huni in Boxrec's rankings but beating a guy one fight away from cruiserweight (who isn't Usyk obviously) won't really wake people up to him.

Obviously if he loses I'll have to re-evaluate both him and Tabiti

Tab is ranked 32 boxrec at cruiser. which is a very thin division. plus the little downgrade you get moving up.... probably converts to 50th-ish as a boxrec ranking at heavyweight.

Ah you're right. I saw his last fight was at HW and assumed he was already moved there. Especially since that was 9 months ago and he has a scheduled HW fight.

[pound per pound]

Upcoming Heavyweight Fights

09.06.2023 - Ivan Dychko - 12(11) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #51) vs. Ariel Esteban Bracamonte - 11(6) 10(6) 0 - (BoxRec's #205)

16.06.2023 - Justis Huni - 7(4) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #48) vs. Andrew Tabiti - 20(16) 1(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #32)

24.06.2023 - Adam Kownacki - 20(15) 3(2) 0 - (BoxRec's #39) vs. Joe Cusumano - 21(19) 4(1) 0 - (BoxRec's #106)

01.07.2023 - Arslanbek Makhmudov - 16(15) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #18) vs. vs. Raphael Akpejiori - 15(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #79)

01.07.2023 - Jared Anderson - 14(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #31) vs. Zhan Kossobutskiy - 19(18) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #29)

Dycho is still fight bums.

Huni is being moved nicely. Respect for him.

Kownacki isn't an unknown prospect anymore, his upside is limited. I have no interest.

Makmuodov is a thunderous puncher and he's fighting an undefeated guy. IMO he is a top 15 guy.,

Anderson vs. Kossubutskiy is a match where two top 40 box rec young and undefeated prospect meet. A rarity in boxing. The winner advances into the top 20 at Box Rec.

[joshj909]

Dycho is still fight bums.

Huni is being moved nicely. Respect for him.

Kownacki isn't an unknown prospect anymore, his upside is limited. I have no interest.

Makmuodov is a thunderous puncher and he's fighting an undefeated guy. IMO he is a top 15 guy.,

Anderson vs. Kossubutskiy is a match where two top 40 box rec young and undefeated prospect meet. A rarity in boxing. The winner advances into the top 20 at Box Rec.

Kossobutskiy is the same age as Tyson Fury.

[CMCanavessi]

Huni fight is off due to ankle injury. Damn.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Huni fight is off due to ankle injury. Damn.

Just read .. crap.