Anthony Joshua vs. Deontay Wilder - Who wins?

[The Gratest]

Broughton knows his boxing

No he doesn't

1 out a 100 ain't bad.

[fizzjambo]

I’ve picked Wilder by KO but I wouldn’t be surprised if Joshua won the same way either.

I’m going Wilder as I do think Joshua is gun shy now, and that’ll be his undoing. He’s not good enough technically to fight off the back foot against a tall, unorthodox puncher like Wilder, he’d be far better walking Wilder down behind a high guard. Cannae see him being confident enough to do that now though.

Wilder by highlight reel KO

[The Gratest]

I'd favour the old Joshua (the one who threw combos up close and was more of a fighter than a boxer eg the Whyte fight) to take Wilder out before the midway mark.
This more hesitant version that stays on the outside, jabs, throws long rights with no follow up left hook, i'd put down to more of a 50/50 chance. He's not elusive enough to fight that way, was getting jabbed and marked up by Helenius, and did offer openings, but Helenius was too slow to react. Wilder's ready to throw without fear, and that might just be the difference, unless Joshua can rediscover some of the old inside style and confidence. Saying that, if fighters like Duhaupas, Szpilka and Areola can extend him late into the fight, it's not as if every punch he throws causes opponents to collapse. A modern day HW Julian Jackson.

[Lenny Cravats]

I’ve picked Wilder by KO but I wouldn’t be surprised if Joshua won the same way either.

I’m going Wilder as I do think Joshua is gun shy now, and that’ll be his undoing. He’s not good enough technically to fight off the back foot against a tall, unorthodox puncher like Wilder, he’d be far better walking Wilder down behind a high guard. Cannae see him being confident enough to do that now though.

Wilder by highlight reel KO

Exactly how I see it.

AJ's skills were his aggression and combinations with a fair bit of power behind them.

He doesn't have a great defence, he's not particularly quick, his chin is a bit Shakey... with him not using his best attributes anymore, I think Wilder has a really good chance of knocking him flat.

I can see AJ winning a good few rounds, keeping a distance - then Wilder's Windmill flattens him.

[coneye]

AJ is still very stiff , and Frank Brunoish , but he does have a better defence than Wilder , who's only defence is a big punch , Wilder will throw with abandanment , and go for it , but he may well walk into one , AJ cicles away from that right hand of Wilders , and lets his own go we may find its WILDER HITTING THE DECK .

Just remember AJ is a fear fighter , he'll try and box but when they get close his fear takes over and he does let his hands go , people may be suprised with this one , i'm not so sure i would discount AJ just yet

[BigDoofus]

Just remember AJ is a fear fighter , he'll try and box but when they get close his fear takes over and he does let his hands go , people may be suprised with this one , i'm not so sure i would discount AJ just yet

The fight has been talked about for 7 years. Hopefully his fear won’t prevent it happening.

[The Gratest]

Just remember AJ is a fear fighter , he'll try and box but when they get close his fear takes over and he does let his hands go , people may be suprised with this one , i'm not so sure i would discount AJ just yet

The fight has been talked about for 7 years. Hopefully his fear won’t prevent it happening.

Says the fearty who's scared to answer a simple question.

[tonyevs]

Just remember AJ is a fear fighter , he'll try and box but when they get close his fear takes over and he does let his hands go , people may be suprised with this one , i'm not so sure i would discount AJ just yet

Fight or flight is the two responses to fear. And AJ is being somewhat overlooked here because he is trying to be 'smart' and be able to land the right hand from a safe position.
But as written earlier - there is nothing to suggest he won't respond with both hands when/if he is hurt.

The risk of course is that he stays on outside giving Wilder space for those big punches. Although if Wilder does land and wobble AJ, and AJ is still on his feet, then Wilder is so wild in his follow up that he would very likely get KOd himself soon after.

Lennox Lewis fought his most destructive when he was scared. Fighting with fear is a good thing.

[Nightmare Roy]

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[mickey1975]

Don’t forget Wilder took Fury to court to enforce the third fight after a bad beating in the second one. We have all seen AJ’s performances since Ruiz beat him. That’s the difference in response to fear…..

[maverick23]

Don’t forget Wilder took Fury to court to enforce the third fight after a bad beating in the second one. We have all seen AJ’s performances since Ruiz beat him. That’s the difference in response to fear…..

Wilder is so off the wall I think it actually makes him real strong mentally. He genuinely believes that Fury cheated in the second fight.

I don’t think AJ’s response post Ruiz has been bad. He’s just adapted his style like many other top heavyweights have done throughout their careers. The fact he went straight into rematches against the guys that beat him shows he doesn’t have much fear.

[The Gratest]

Good point Mav.

[mickey1975]

Don’t forget Wilder took Fury to court to enforce the third fight after a bad beating in the second one. We have all seen AJ’s performances since Ruiz beat him. That’s the difference in response to fear…..

Wilder is so off the wall I think it actually makes him real strong mentally. He genuinely believes that Fury cheated in the second fight.

I don’t think AJ’s response post Ruiz has been bad. He’s just adapted his style like many other top heavyweights have done throughout their careers. The fact he went straight into rematches against the guys that beat him shows he doesn’t have much fear.

I was going to mention that. I was never convinced he wanted that rematch with Usyk, or the first fight but he took them so credit to him for that.

[tonyevs]

Don’t forget Wilder took Fury to court to enforce the third fight after a bad beating in the second one. We have all seen AJ’s performances since Ruiz beat him. That’s the difference in response to fear…..

Wilder is so off the wall I think it actually makes him real strong mentally. He genuinely believes that Fury cheated in the second fight.

I don’t think AJ’s response post Ruiz has been bad. He’s just adapted his style like many other top heavyweights have done throughout their careers. The fact he went straight into rematches against the guys that beat him shows he doesn’t have much fear.

I was going to mention that. I was never convinced he wanted that rematch with Usyk, or the first fight but he took them so credit to him for that.

But a not so subtle contradiction from you there Mick

Wisely or not, Joshua thinks he is adding to his game by boxing more to get opportunities for that right hand. Lots of boxers have modified their game after a defeat, no doubt almost all after a painful lesson in the gym.

Credit to Joshua for taking on Usyk .. and twice; we all know the other guy who hasn't been able to conquer his fear to do so.

[mickey1975]

Wilder is so off the wall I think it actually makes him real strong mentally. He genuinely believes that Fury cheated in the second fight.

I don’t think AJ’s response post Ruiz has been bad. He’s just adapted his style like many other top heavyweights have done throughout their careers. The fact he went straight into rematches against the guys that beat him shows he doesn’t have much fear.

I was going to mention that. I was never convinced he wanted that rematch with Usyk, or the first fight but he took them so credit to him for that.

But a not so subtle contradiction from you there Mick

Wisely or not, Joshua thinks he is adding to his game by boxing more to get opportunities for that right hand. Lots of boxers have modified their game after a defeat, no doubt almost all after a painful lesson in the gym.

Credit to Joshua for taking on Usyk .. and twice; we all know the other guy who hasn't been able to conquer his fear to do so.

As predictable as AJ getting beaten up again as soon as he steps up is you and The Gratest replying to my every post. Do you have alarms or something?

[tonyevs]

There is no need to set alarms Mick - you are so predictable in your responses to Joshua and Fury.

Most others here give a balanced response whether agreeing or disagreeing to opinions on AJ or Fury.

You, Doofy and Dev often get a phrased response because I suspect you intentionally troll a comment to encourage it. Basically you get what you want.

[mickey1975]

There is no need to set alarms Mick - you are so predictable in your responses to Joshua and Fury.

Most others here give a balanced response whether agreeing or disagreeing to opinions on AJ or Fury.

You, Doofy and Dev often get a phrased response because I suspect you intentionally troll a comment to encourage it. Basically you get what you want.

Alarms again....

[tonyevs]

Your alarm or mine?

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Don’t forget Wilder took Fury to court to enforce the third fight after a bad beating in the second one. We have all seen AJ’s performances since Ruiz beat him. That’s the difference in response to fear…..

Wilder is so off the wall I think it actually makes him real strong mentally. He genuinely believes that Fury cheated in the second fight.

I don’t think AJ’s response post Ruiz has been bad. He’s just adapted his style like many other top heavyweights have done throughout their careers. The fact he went straight into rematches against the guys that beat him shows he doesn’t have much fear.

Exactly.

I don't have a problem with Joshua modifying his style, in fact, I would have been shocked if he hadn't.

His current style is a much better one for him in his current iteration.

If he tried a more gung-ho approach against elite opposition, he'd get smoked.

[The Gratest]

I haven't been replying to your every post Mick, stop exaggerating and making shit up again. I have been replying to Doofy and his repetitive trolling though. He just can't bring himself to criticise the Fury v Ngannou match up.
You're like a menopausal woman the way you react at times.

[MightyWarrior]

They’ll realise James is not a great fit as trainer ( flunked it big time w Spence as well ) and they’ll get someone whose main job will be to convince AJ that tippy tapping around and being tentative with Wilder spells DOOM.

So he’ll have the blue chip mindset that aggression and pushing back Wilder with explosive combinations is gonna give him the best chance to win the day.

After those bull juice powered beatdowns, Wilder’s very decent punch resistance has probably disappeared in the rear view mirror.

Joshua crunches him inside 3 rounds

[Controversial]

AJ needs to put Wilder on the back foot early, Wilder creates his power with wide looping punches and a long right hand so he needs space to generate that power, AJ needs to stop him doing that. Whether he can do it remains to be seen though, AJ does seem to lack confidence and standing off, jabbing etc will invite punches back and that might not be a good idea. Helenius was the perfect opponent to practice that on and make a statement but he chose to stand off.

[coneye]

Just remember AJ is a fear fighter , he'll try and box but when they get close his fear takes over and he does let his hands go , people may be suprised with this one , i'm not so sure i would discount AJ just yet

The fight has been talked about for 7 years. Hopefully his fear won’t prevent it happening.

Theres a difference a big difference between a fear fighter , what i allude to there is when certain fighters are trapped ,in trouble , sometimes hurt , its fight and thats fight hard or flight and they go into fear mode or fight mode , sometimes not even knowing what there doing , just T it E C on muscle memory but they become dangerous because they choose to fight like a cornered animal , what you refer too is a scared fighter ,someone is too scared to fight at all , now AJ CANNOT be accused of this TWICE now he has fought people who defeated him if he was scared he overcome it ..
HOWEVER if you want an example of a scared fighter look no further than your hero mr Fury .its well documented the amount of times he has threw obsticles in the way of fighting Usyk and Aj , i,m not gonna go back and forth with he said she said , when and where because we all know , he mouths , boasts , talks shite , and blames everyone else but he is always the common dominator , you want 50..50 he offers 90...10 he offers 60..40 or 70 .30 you accept he comes up with something else , so much so i doubt we will see him ever again kin a big fight simply because no top ranked fighter could be bothered wasting 10,,,12 months of there short carreers trying to negotiate with the clown , and why its because he,s scared , now scared of losing his belt , scared of losing his status , scared of getting beat , i don,t know but scared of something he certainly is , and unlike AJ he cannot over come his fear

[big lennox]

Just remember AJ is a fear fighter , he'll try and box but when they get close his fear takes over and he does let his hands go , people may be suprised with this one , i'm not so sure i would discount AJ just yet

The fight has been talked about for 7 years. Hopefully his fear won’t prevent it happening.

Theres a difference a big difference between a fear fighter , what i allude to there is when certain fighters are trapped ,in trouble , sometimes hurt , its fight and thats fight hard or flight and they go into fear mode or fight mode , sometimes not even knowing what there doing , just T it E C on muscle memory but they become dangerous because they choose to fight like a cornered animal , what you refer too is a scared fighter ,someone is too scared to fight at all , now AJ CANNOT be accused of this TWICE now he has fought people who defeated him if he was scared he overcome it ..
HOWEVER if you want an example of a scared fighter look no further than your hero mr Fury .its well documented the amount of times he has threw obsticles in the way of fighting Usyk and Aj , i,m not gonna go back and forth with he said she said , when and where because we all know , he mouths , boasts , talks shite , and blames everyone else but he is always the common dominator , you want 50..50 he offers 90...10 he offers 60..40 or 70 .30 you accept he comes up with something else , so much so i doubt we will see him ever again kin a big fight simply because no top ranked fighter could be bothered wasting 10,,,12 months of there short carreers trying to negotiate with the clown , and why its because he,s scared , now scared of losing his belt , scared of losing his status , scared of getting beat , i don,t know but scared of something he certainly is , and unlike AJ he cannot over come his fear

Agreed. I think AJ is willing to find out how good he is, win or lose. By contrast, it seems pretty clear that Fury does not want to risk not being able to live up to his own self promotion.

He is an outstanding self promoter though, no doubt about that.

[mickey1975]

The fight has been talked about for 7 years. Hopefully his fear won’t prevent it happening.

Theres a difference a big difference between a fear fighter , what i allude to there is when certain fighters are trapped ,in trouble , sometimes hurt , its fight and thats fight hard or flight and they go into fear mode or fight mode , sometimes not even knowing what there doing , just T it E C on muscle memory but they become dangerous because they choose to fight like a cornered animal , what you refer too is a scared fighter ,someone is too scared to fight at all , now AJ CANNOT be accused of this TWICE now he has fought people who defeated him if he was scared he overcome it ..
HOWEVER if you want an example of a scared fighter look no further than your hero mr Fury .its well documented the amount of times he has threw obsticles in the way of fighting Usyk and Aj , i,m not gonna go back and forth with he said she said , when and where because we all know , he mouths , boasts , talks shite , and blames everyone else but he is always the common dominator , you want 50..50 he offers 90...10 he offers 60..40 or 70 .30 you accept he comes up with something else , so much so i doubt we will see him ever again kin a big fight simply because no top ranked fighter could be bothered wasting 10,,,12 months of there short carreers trying to negotiate with the clown , and why its because he,s scared , now scared of losing his belt , scared of losing his status , scared of getting beat , i don,t know but scared of something he certainly is , and unlike AJ he cannot over come his fear

Agreed. I think AJ is willing to find out how good he is, win or lose. By contrast, it seems pretty clear that Fury does not want to risk not being able to live up to his own self promotion.

He is an outstanding self promoter though, no doubt about that.

Would you not say fighting Wlad and Wilder abroad as a very big underdog was braver than a long odds on favourite against Ruiz the first time, I even think he was odds on favourite in the rematch and the same with Usyk (i know he was a slight underdog in the rematch)?