Anthony Joshua vs. Deontay Wilder - Who wins?

[Twinkle Toes]

I think people are being a bit too quick to write Joshua off in this one. No doubt he doesn't fight like he once did but I can't believe the damage Wilder took in that last fight with Fury hasn't shortened his career - Same with Fury actually.

[big lennox]

Theres a difference a big difference between a fear fighter , what i allude to there is when certain fighters are trapped ,in trouble , sometimes hurt , its fight and thats fight hard or flight and they go into fear mode or fight mode , sometimes not even knowing what there doing , just T it E C on muscle memory but they become dangerous because they choose to fight like a cornered animal , what you refer too is a scared fighter ,someone is too scared to fight at all , now AJ CANNOT be accused of this TWICE now he has fought people who defeated him if he was scared he overcome it ..
HOWEVER if you want an example of a scared fighter look no further than your hero mr Fury .its well documented the amount of times he has threw obsticles in the way of fighting Usyk and Aj , i,m not gonna go back and forth with he said she said , when and where because we all know , he mouths , boasts , talks shite , and blames everyone else but he is always the common dominator , you want 50..50 he offers 90...10 he offers 60..40 or 70 .30 you accept he comes up with something else , so much so i doubt we will see him ever again kin a big fight simply because no top ranked fighter could be bothered wasting 10,,,12 months of there short carreers trying to negotiate with the clown , and why its because he,s scared , now scared of losing his belt , scared of losing his status , scared of getting beat , i don,t know but scared of something he certainly is , and unlike AJ he cannot over come his fear

Agreed. I think AJ is willing to find out how good he is, win or lose. By contrast, it seems pretty clear that Fury does not want to risk not being able to live up to his own self promotion.

He is an outstanding self promoter though, no doubt about that.

Would you not say fighting Wlad and Wilder abroad as a very big underdog was braver than a long odds on favourite against Ruiz the first time, I even think he was odds on favourite in the rematch and the same with Usyk (i know he was a slight underdog in the rematch)?

I think all boxers are brave. And Fury, along with most boxers, will have had unbelievable guts to get in the ring for free during his amateur career, and fight for peanuts in the early parts of his career. Very special characters are required for such tasks, and I try not to forget that.

I also think getting in the ring with Wilder is immensely brave, especially after putting on so much weight, like Fury did.

And, after getting knocked down twice in the first fight, to then not only get back in the ring with Wilder, but to meet him head on and take the fight away from him, was incredible stuff.

But, we have to judge it all in the round and whilst I recognise that it's not fair to reach a final judgement until they have both finished their careers, at this stage, I would say that AJ is prepared to take more risks than Fury. There are a few too many Tom Schwarz's on Fury's record when compared to AJ's resume.

I remember a few years ago Evander Holyfield tipping Andy Ruiz for the top and talked about the nightmares he had given him in sparring. So, to take him on, and at short notice, says a lot about AJs intent.

And, no matter who you are, it must be incredibly nerve wracking to go back in with a big puncher who has just stopped you, but AJ did that, and beat him.

The common opponents are: Whyte, Klitschko and, soon, Wilder. But in addition to that AJ will have boxed Ruiz and Uysk twice each, whilst Fury has boxed Chisora 3 times and is boxing a non boxer next. That's a big difference, I think, and sets them apart.

It's all relative, but from where I am sitting, I think AJ is the more willing of the two to see what he's worth.

[Boxerbeetle]

Fury wasn’t even brave enough to face Price

[margaret thatcher]

I think people are being a bit too quick to write Joshua off in this one. No doubt he doesn't fight like he once did but I can't believe the damage Wilder took in that last fight with Fury hasn't shortened his career - Same with Fury actually.

somehow wilder getting bounced off the canvas 5x and ktfo by fury proves his chin is iron though

im sure being knocked into next week on the last ktfo has made his chin even stronger !

[tonyevs]

The Wilder myth is perpetuated mostly by Fury and his fan Bois to give extra credence to Fury who beat him .. the same with Wlad who was literally at the very end of a very long and successful reign.

[jamesmcdonnell]

It is hard to really know how good Wilder really is, he has very little in the way of decent competition, in terms of wins anyway. His best results are probably his draw and even losses with Fury,Ortiz and maybe he very quick KO of helenius.

Fury went life or death with Wilder twice, which could say more about Fury than Wilder - it's hard to say.

My concern is, if Joshua tries to box clever and nullify Wilder, he leaves him punching room - and that is very dangerous. You have to get Wilder on the back foot.

Wilder also carries his power late, and is dangerous when hurt and tired.

I think Joshua has to stamp his authority early, and hurt Wilder early to get his respect - but I'm not sure that Joshua really exists any more.

[Boxerbeetle]

Don’t forget Wilder lost pretty much every second of every round against Ortiz in both fights before landing a ko out of nowhere. The guy would be absolutely nowhere near a belt in previous eras where the skill level was so much higher.

[Boxerbeetle]

Although I grant that similar could be said about Joshua too. The heavyweight division has been total garbage for about 20 years.

[BigDoofus]

I would say that AJ is prepared to take more risks than Fury.

Nonsense. He’s just turned down 2 Fury fights to fight Franklin and Helenius. He’s never been near Wilder in 7 years. Has he ever even been to an event where Wilder or Fury were in the building?

[big lennox]

I would say that AJ is prepared to take more risks than Fury.

Nonsense. He’s just turned down 2 Fury fights to fight Franklin and Helenius. He’s never been near Wilder in 7 years. Has he ever even been to an event where Wilder or Fury were in the building?

Has Fury ever boxed AJ, Ruiz or Uysk?

Moreover, according to Hearn, AJ ruled out a fight with Non boxing Ngannou. Fury is boxing non boxing Ngannou. That's not in dispute, is it?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Don’t forget Wilder lost pretty much every second of every round against Ortiz in both fights before landing a ko out of nowhere. The guy would be absolutely nowhere near a belt in previous eras where the skill level was so much higher.

Yes, thats true, but a KO is all he needs.

Lets face it Joshuas not exactly an ATG himself.

[The Gratest]

Are the Fury fan bois goung into meltdown now because he's not a big, strong, brave boy?

[BigDoofus]

I would say that AJ is prepared to take more risks than Fury.

Nonsense. He’s just turned down 2 Fury fights to fight Franklin and Helenius. He’s never been near Wilder in 7 years. Has he ever even been to an event where Wilder or Fury were in the building?

Has Fury ever boxed AJ, Ruiz or Uysk?

Moreover, according to Hearn, AJ ruled out a fight with Non boxing Ngannou. Fury is boxing non boxing Ngannou. That's not in dispute, is it?

Would he have fought Klitschko in Germany or Wilder in the States. Both too risky.

[polecateddy]

I can’t be bothered to check, but was Joshua’s performance better or worse than when young Lennox made a bit of a meal of beating Phil Jackson in 7? Joshua v Wilder is fairly interesting just because it a bit unpredictable. Either or both sides could end up looking incredibly chinny and/or shot. It’s a coin toss fight.

…and it is kind of becoming funny listening to the Fury fans on this Forum. If Fury does just have 2 years of these novelty fights and then retires, do you care? Is it a bit like Donald Trump and the MAGA lot. He can basically do everything short of raping and murdering people to still have your vote?

[mickey1975]

I would say that AJ is prepared to take more risks than Fury.

Nonsense. He’s just turned down 2 Fury fights to fight Franklin and Helenius. He’s never been near Wilder in 7 years. Has he ever even been to an event where Wilder or Fury were in the building?

I think Wilder was flown in for the Wlad fight, then quickly flown out again when AJ was nearly knocked out and wasn't to be mentioned in private again. That's the story, anyway.

[The Gratest]

One of your ever reliable moles Mick?
The next Netflix comedy series, Mickey's Moles.

[The Gratest]

[si7dog7]

I would say that AJ is prepared to take more risks than Fury.

Nonsense. He’s just turned down 2 Fury fights to fight Franklin and Helenius. He’s never been near Wilder in 7 years. Has he ever even been to an event where Wilder or Fury were in the building?

I think Wilder was flown in for the Wlad fight, then quickly flown out again when AJ was nearly knocked out and wasn't to be mentioned in private again. That's the story, anyway.

A made up story.
Tbf. AJ did engage combat with Wlad.

[mickey1975]

Nonsense. He’s just turned down 2 Fury fights to fight Franklin and Helenius. He’s never been near Wilder in 7 years. Has he ever even been to an event where Wilder or Fury were in the building?

I think Wilder was flown in for the Wlad fight, then quickly flown out again when AJ was nearly knocked out and wasn't to be mentioned in private again. That's the story, anyway.

A made up story.
Tbf. AJ did engage combat with Wlad.

Did he just go for a laugh then? Both parties must have been keen for Matchroom to fly him in first class and Wilder to agree. We have seen when he was willing to go to Russia he wasn't scared to travel, especially at that time.....

[The Gratest]

I'm sure he had a set date for his return flight though Mickey, and your usual exaggerated 'quickly flown out again...not to be mentioned in private ever again' is just your usual OTT hyperbole.

[Nightmare Roy]

Just rewatched Wilder Fury 3, fcuk me he's an tough bastard Wilder I'll say that

[margaret thatcher]

Just rewatched Wilder Fury 3, fcuk me he's an tough bastard Wilder I'll say that

ya, despite being constantly hurt and dropped by fury (not everyone can have chisora or wallin chin) he kept on trying, fair play

[Ruthless-RKO]

Just rewatched Wilder Fury 3, fcuk me he's an tough bastard Wilder I'll say that

ya, despite being constantly hurt and dropped by fury (not everyone can have chisora or wallin chin) he kept on trying, fair play

I’d say he has more heart than chin..

[Ruthless-RKO]

Warren: “If Joshua Beats Wilder - So What, Fury Beat Wilder Three Times!“

“He caught him with a big shot. But, let’s get it right, he’s a guy who’s got a big punch and the other guy when he fights at that level he usually gets knocked out when he steps up. You’ve not learnt anymore about AJ in that fight coming out of it than going into it," Warren told Boxing Social.

“Tyson’s beaten Wilder three times, so if [Joshua] beats Wilder, if he does, and I don’t think he will – so what!," Warren said.

"Tyson’s beaten him three times and probably taken a lot of miles off of his clock in the fights that he had with Tyson. Tyson did a job on him, especially in that third fight, he had Tyson down as well, it was a tough fight. Wilder didn’t come out of that fight physically well I don’t think. I don’t think he’ll beat Wilder by the way but that’s irrelevant – I don’t think he’ll beat Wilder.”

[margaret thatcher]

lol, i dont think he'll beat wilder, but if he does i have my excuses lined up as to why