MARGARITO-TSZYU in preliminary negotiations

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Sep 2006, 03:38

interesting

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 05 Sep 2006, 08:48

I think Tszyu will beat Margarito despite being so inactive.

El Raincoat · Post by **El Raincoat** » 05 Sep 2006, 09:33

No if Hatton managed to get Tszyu to go backwards margarito would to. Margarito is a lot bigger than Tszyu i'd say Margarito stops him late.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Sep 2006, 09:38

you'd think it a bad choice given that hatton was just too much for him to cope with. Margarito being bigger is even more of a handful. Perhaps the great old fighter wants to test himself and redeem himself against his worst kind of foe.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 05 Sep 2006, 09:42

Margarito has size advantage, but please tell me who he has beaten to suggest he can utilise that advantage against a guy as good as Tszyu?

Margarito is a Bob Arum hype job.

Tszyu beats him if it happens.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Sep 2006, 09:49

nickd wrote:Margarito has size advantage, but please tell me who he has beaten to suggest he can utilise that advantage against a guy as good as Tszyu?

Margarito is a Bob Arum hype job.

Tszyu beats him if it happens.

perhaps Tszyu thinks so too

he might get a nasty surprise

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 05 Sep 2006, 09:50

Margarito has slow wide punches when compared with the top guys around his weight, Tszyu could definitely beat him but I suspect that if at any time the Mexican starts landing with shots repeatedly the fight will turn right around.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 05 Sep 2006, 09:56

I don't see how Margarito could smother Tszyu and push him back like Hatton did. He is a lot slower of hand and foot than Hatton. And his workrate is nothing like Hatton's.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 05 Sep 2006, 09:58

El Raincoat wrote:No if Hatton managed to get Tszyu to go backwards margarito would to. Margarito is a lot bigger than Tszyu i'd say Margarito stops him late.

Forcing Tszyu backwards isn't the key to beating the guy. He fought a lot of his fights, mixing it up on his back foot, landing pwerful counterpunches at range. What Hatton managed to do was keep Tszyu at close quarters nullifying his power, whilst roughing him up and outworking him. Not sure this is in Margarito's makeup as a fighter. Haven't seen a lot of Margarito but what I have seen suggests that whilst being aggressive, he likes to throw his combos at range. This gives Tszyu enough time and space to deliver telling power shots.

Having said all this, the outcome of this potential fight would depend on how much Tszyu has left.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Sep 2006, 12:00

I think Margarito's youth and size will be the determining factor here. I'm not as convinced as some with Margarito - but he has a good chin, good workrate and excellent power - plus massive for the weight.

Tszyu was and probably still is a master in the ring, but stylewise all wrong for Margarito. You need to be a mover to beat Margarito - Santos beat him and I'm sure Mayweather would and possibly Spinks. But Tszyu isn't hard to hit and isn't hard to find.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 05 Sep 2006, 12:01

nickd wrote:Margarito has size advantage, but please tell me who he has beaten to suggest he can utilise that advantage against a guy as good as Tszyu?

Margarito is a Bob Arum hype job.

Tszyu beats him if it happens.

I think I said Pre Tszyu-Hatton

Hatton has a youth advantage, but please tell me who he has beaten to suggest he can utilise that advantage against a guy as good as Tszyu?

Margarito is a allegedly hype job.

Tszyu beats him if it happens

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 05 Sep 2006, 12:05

nickd wrote:I don't see how Margarito could smother Tszyu and push him back like Hatton did. He is a lot slower of hand and foot than Hatton. And his workrate is nothing like Hatton's.

You dont need to smother, you need to keep him off balance by landing your own shots, throw your shots faster than him (Hatton was faster than Tsyzu as were many of Tyszus opponents - hence him needing KOs to win a few times), be able to take Tyszus shots - Margarito may have a top class chin too, and be able to keep a tempo old Tyszu can't handle.

OHHH don't forget not only is Margarito younger, fitter, a divison or 2 bigger, he has a big reach advantage over Tyszu and maybe the biggest puncher Tyszus faced to date

This is a top class interesting match up anyway. Well done Arrum/Zoo/Margarito.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 05 Sep 2006, 12:47

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
nickd wrote:I don't see how Margarito could smother Tszyu and push him back like Hatton did. He is a lot slower of hand and foot than Hatton. And his workrate is nothing like Hatton's.
You dont need to smother, you need to keep him off balance by landing your own shots, throw your shots faster than him (Hatton was faster than Tsyzu as were many of Tyszus opponents - hence him needing KOs to win a few times), be able to take Tyszus shots - Margarito may have a top class chin too, and be able to keep a tempo old Tyszu can't handle.

OHHH don't forget not only is Margarito younger, fitter, a divison or 2 bigger, he has a big reach advantage over Tyszu and maybe the biggest puncher Tyszus faced to date

This is a top class interesting match up anyway. Well done Arrum/Zoo/Margarito.

Margarito will not be faster than Tszyu he's as slow as molasses with those winging punches of his.

pasty_spud · Post by **pasty_spud** » 05 Sep 2006, 12:51

i'd pick margarito on this one,he's just too big and rangey

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 05 Sep 2006, 14:18

nickd wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
nickd wrote:I don't see how Margarito could smother Tszyu and push him back like Hatton did. He is a lot slower of hand and foot than Hatton. And his workrate is nothing like Hatton's.
You dont need to smother, you need to keep him off balance by landing your own shots, throw your shots faster than him (Hatton was faster than Tsyzu as were many of Tyszus opponents - hence him needing KOs to win a few times), be able to take Tyszus shots - Margarito may have a top class chin too, and be able to keep a tempo old Tyszu can't handle.

OHHH don't forget not only is Margarito younger, fitter, a divison or 2 bigger, he has a big reach advantage over Tyszu and maybe the biggest puncher Tyszus faced to date

This is a top class interesting match up anyway. Well done Arrum/Zoo/Margarito.
Margarito will not be faster than Tszyu he's as slow as molasses with those winging punches of his.

Yes but theres 6inches in difference in reach, so you better be faster because thats going to make a dfference, Tyszus defense also has never been his strength and against a puncher in Margarito whos much bigger is not a good thing

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 05 Sep 2006, 23:41

El Raincoat wrote:No if Hatton managed to get Tszyu to go backwards margarito would to. Margarito is a lot bigger than Tszyu i'd say Margarito stops him late.

Tszyu looked very weighted drained in the fight with Hatton i think at 147 he would have a real chance against any fighter. Hatton has 1 hell of a chin also im noy sold on Margarito's chin against big punchers.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 06 Sep 2006, 03:40

Tszyu is skilled enough to win this if he has much left. Tszyu should beat him to the punch for most of the night, should be able to hurt him with the straight right and is experienced enough to come through if Margarito's wide punches start landing.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 06 Sep 2006, 03:41

or maybe he'll turn into a dancer a la Rocky III after all the training he's had

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 07 Sep 2006, 11:08

SticknMove wrote:
El Raincoat wrote:No if Hatton managed to get Tszyu to go backwards margarito would to. Margarito is a lot bigger than Tszyu i'd say Margarito stops him late.
Forcing Tszyu backwards isn't the key to beating the guy. He fought a lot of his fights, mixing it up on his back foot, landing pwerful counterpunches at range. What Hatton managed to do was keep Tszyu at close quarters nullifying his power, whilst roughing him up and outworking him. Not sure this is in Margarito's makeup as a fighter. Haven't seen a lot of Margarito but what I have seen suggests that whilst being aggressive, he likes to throw his combos at range. This gives Tszyu enough time and space to deliver telling power shots.

Having said all this, the outcome of this potential fight would depend on how much Tszyu has left.

good analysis, except that this time Tszyu will be in with a taller fighter with a much longer reach and more power than he has faced before. Tszyu has always been hittable, but his own power has been such that he could take his opponents down with a few shots or keep them at bay.

Indeed, the best way to beat Tszyu is pressure (Urkal almost did it and Hatton succeeded, Vince Phillips also kept right on top of him) where he cannot generate power shots, but Margarito is younger, fresher, stronger, and a bigger hitter too. Tszyu has the experience, but that layoff won't have done him any favours.

Mind you, could be like Hopkins v Tarver great little one, beats a good big'un

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 07 Sep 2006, 11:10

Margarito doesn't really fight big though despite reach and height on many opponents.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 07 Sep 2006, 11:12

Only really seen his fight with Six Heads. Fairly impressive, accurate puncher, and was quite relentless, seem to remember him cutting off the ring well, know what you mean about him not fighting big, he was chasing six heads and stalking him with that crouching stance.