Yea although the number 1 is white. Also Joe Joyce’s father is Irishconeye wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 00:38Yes but realisticly , how many of that 59 would be of African , Jamaicn descent , bigger guys geneticly how many are white from UK background opposed to irish background ,, i would'nt really know but would guess , take away black heavyweights in the UK from african , carribean backgrounds , and i doubt we would be too far in front of irish heavyweightsmargaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024, 12:57maybe in the same way the likes of wilder and joshua count as nigerian heavyweights, or the americans with an irish side of the family count as irish
2 irish heavies on boxrec is crazy to me. ya the irish population is small but that doesnt stop them from having many good fighters at other weights. very good ams too.
uk has 59 active hws, about 30x that of ireland despite having only 13x the population
why are irish heavies so poor?
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Not a heavy - but my favourite Irish fighter is Slugger O’Toole.
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I remember reading about him in some of the Naz/Ingle books, remember his real name made me chuckle too, Fidel Castro Smith. Father was clearly a communist! Had some tough fights - James Cook, Wharton, Nardiello. Wonder what he went on to do after. He was listed as a social worker at some point.Frostieballs wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 08:08 Not a heavy - but my favourite Irish fighter is Slugger O’Toole.
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Paddy Reilly was a good black Irish heavyweight too. Now he calls himself Clifton Mitchell oddly.SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 08:26I remember reading about him in some of the Naz/Ingle books, remember his real name made me chuckle too, Fidel Castro Smith. Father was clearly a communist! Had some tough fights - James Cook, Wharton, Nardiello. Wonder what he went on to do after. He was listed as a social worker at some point.Frostieballs wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 08:08 Not a heavy - but my favourite Irish fighter is Slugger O’Toole.
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hahahaha you kidding mate? He was from DerbyJamesPhilips wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 11:18Paddy Reilly was a good black Irish heavyweight too. Now he calls himself Clifton Mitchell oddly.SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 08:26I remember reading about him in some of the Naz/Ingle books, remember his real name made me chuckle too, Fidel Castro Smith. Father was clearly a communist! Had some tough fights - James Cook, Wharton, Nardiello. Wonder what he went on to do after. He was listed as a social worker at some point.Frostieballs wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 08:08 Not a heavy - but my favourite Irish fighter is Slugger O’Toole.
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lol of course I’m kidding. Brendan had a weird habit of giving some of his black fighters Irish names….SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 11:26hahahaha you kidding mate? He was from DerbyJamesPhilips wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 11:18Paddy Reilly was a good black Irish heavyweight too. Now he calls himself Clifton Mitchell oddly.SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 08:26
I remember reading about him in some of the Naz/Ingle books, remember his real name made me chuckle too, Fidel Castro Smith. Father was clearly a communist! Had some tough fights - James Cook, Wharton, Nardiello. Wonder what he went on to do after. He was listed as a social worker at some point.
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Fury rediscovered his irish roots the moment he was tasked with defending the British title against David Price.
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hahahaha sorry mate. My mate Bob is close to Mick Mills and knew Brendan, has so many brilliant Mills and Brendan stories.JamesPhilips wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 19:08lol of course I’m kidding. Brendan had a weird habit of giving some of his black fighters Irish names….SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 11:26hahahaha you kidding mate? He was from DerbyJamesPhilips wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 11:18
Paddy Reilly was a good black Irish heavyweight too. Now he calls himself Clifton Mitchell oddly.
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Mick the Bomb Mills?SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 19:55hahahaha sorry mate. My mate Bob is close to Mick Mills and knew Brendan, has so many brilliant Mills and Brendan stories.JamesPhilips wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 19:08lol of course I’m kidding. Brendan had a weird habit of giving some of his black fighters Irish names….
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that's the one. My mate is Mick's age and is from Rotherham, was and is very close friends with him. Ran a door firm around there until his son died tragically young. His stories about Mick are brilliant. The gent Mick lived an insane lifestyle, could have done so much more in the ring if he'd lived the life. Regardless, what a chap.JamesPhilips wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 20:04Mick the Bomb Mills?SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 19:55hahahaha sorry mate. My mate Bob is close to Mick Mills and knew Brendan, has so many brilliant Mills and Brendan stories.JamesPhilips wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 19:08
lol of course I’m kidding. Brendan had a weird habit of giving some of his black fighters Irish names….
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Generally smaller people/ poor diet and malnutrition.
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SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 20:24that's the one. My mate is Mick's age and is from Rotherham, was and is very close friends with him. Ran a door firm around there until his son died tragically young. His stories about Mick are brilliant. The gent Mick lived an insane lifestyle, could have done so much more in the ring if he'd lived the life. Regardless, what a chap.JamesPhilips wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 20:04Mick the Bomb Mills?SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 19:55
hahahaha sorry mate. My mate Bob is close to Mick Mills and knew Brendan, has so many brilliant Mills and Brendan stories.
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excellent. He was mentioned in an interview between Dave Allen and his father (also Dave Allen) recently, as his father was a pro for Ingle's gym at the same time as Mick. 22:30 inJamesPhilips wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 21:20SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 Feb 2024, 20:24that's the one. My mate is Mick's age and is from Rotherham, was and is very close friends with him. Ran a door firm around there until his son died tragically young. His stories about Mick are brilliant. The gent Mick lived an insane lifestyle, could have done so much more in the ring if he'd lived the life. Regardless, what a chap.found a previous thread on him here
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Average height of an Irish man is 5ft 10, same as UK average. And 20th out of 200 countries so a bit of a myth that Irish people are hobbits. Although my father is from Fermanagh and a shortarse.jtourettes wrote: ↑07 Feb 2024, 15:14The city Irish seem to be smaller but the farmers/countryside folk are often gigantic. Know plenty of 6'3 plus fellas from that way, my farming family included![]()
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Tyson Fury defeated Martin Rogan for the Irish Heavyweight titles back in 2014 in Belfast so ain’t so bad of an Irish Heavyweight.
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He did, although that title is one of the most worthless and weakest titles ever. It is worse than any fringe belt in history. It has only been contested 6 times in 75 years since 1949. And all of the people before Fury were objectively shite. The Irish HW title means less than nothing.
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Anyway ain’t none of y’all ever heard of Big Joe Egan? The toughest white man in the world is Irish. Y’all musta forgot…

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amusingly he's still top 3 Irish heavyweightsJamesPhilips wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 09:36 Anyway ain’t none of y’all ever heard of Big Joe Egan? The toughest white man in the world is Irish. Y’all musta forgot…
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What of all time? Surely you’re joking meSeanBrennan wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 11:07amusingly he's still top 3 Irish heavyweightsJamesPhilips wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 09:36 Anyway ain’t none of y’all ever heard of Big Joe Egan? The toughest white man in the world is Irish. Y’all musta forgot…
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God no James. I'm a moron but not that moronic. I was being silly - there are only 2 current Irish HW pros so therefore if Joe comes back he's in the top 3....out of 3.JamesPhilips wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 16:35What of all time? Surely you’re joking meSeanBrennan wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 11:07amusingly he's still top 3 Irish heavyweightsJamesPhilips wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 09:36 Anyway ain’t none of y’all ever heard of Big Joe Egan? The toughest white man in the world is Irish. Y’all musta forgot…
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No way, Egan now would be like number 4, and number 6 on the all time listSeanBrennan wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 17:28God no James. I'm a moron but not that moronic. I was being silly - there are only 2 current Irish HW pros so therefore if Joe comes back he's in the top 3....out of 3.
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be careful Coco you'll be getting a callout vid ;)Coco wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 17:40No way, Egan now would be like number 4, and number 6 on the all time listSeanBrennan wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 17:28God no James. I'm a moron but not that moronic. I was being silly - there are only 2 current Irish HW pros so therefore if Joe comes back he's in the top 3....out of 3.
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After David Price KO'd John McDermott in 1 round, the BBBoC called for purse bids for Tyson Fury to defend his British title against Price. Fury vacated the British title and Andy Lee's father signed an affidavit (proclaiming that Fury's grandmother was Irish) so that Fury could then fight Martin Rogan for the Irish title.SeanBrennan wrote: ↑07 Feb 2024, 19:12He did, although that title is one of the most worthless and weakest titles ever. It is worse than any fringe belt in history. It has only been contested 6 times in 75 years since 1949. And all of the people before Fury were objectively shite. The Irish HW title means less than nothing.
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Andy Lee pretends he's related to Tyson doesn't he?The Gratest wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024, 18:00After David Price KO'd John McDermott in 1 round, the BBBoC called for purse bids for Tyson Fury to defend his British title against Price. Fury vacated the British title and Andy Lee's father signed an affidavit (proclaiming that Fury's grandmother was Irish) so that Fury could then fight Martin Rogan for the Irish title.SeanBrennan wrote: ↑07 Feb 2024, 19:12He did, although that title is one of the most worthless and weakest titles ever. It is worse than any fringe belt in history. It has only been contested 6 times in 75 years since 1949. And all of the people before Fury were objectively shite. The Irish HW title means less than nothing.