why are irish heavies so poor?

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coneye wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 00:38
margaret thatcher wrote: 01 Feb 2024, 12:57
Coco wrote: 01 Feb 2024, 05:57 Isn't Fury Irish?
maybe in the same way the likes of wilder and joshua count as nigerian heavyweights, or the americans with an irish side of the family count as irish

2 irish heavies on boxrec is crazy to me. ya the irish population is small but that doesnt stop them from having many good fighters at other weights. very good ams too.

uk has 59 active hws, about 30x that of ireland despite having only 13x the population
Yes but realisticly , how many of that 59 would be of African , Jamaicn descent , bigger guys geneticly how many are white from UK background opposed to irish background ,, i would'nt really know but would guess , take away black heavyweights in the UK from african , carribean backgrounds , and i doubt we would be too far in front of irish heavyweights
Yea although the number 1 is white. Also Joe Joyce’s father is Irish 😁😁😁😁
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Not a heavy - but my favourite Irish fighter is Slugger O’Toole.
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Frostieballs wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 08:08 Not a heavy - but my favourite Irish fighter is Slugger O’Toole.
I remember reading about him in some of the Naz/Ingle books, remember his real name made me chuckle too, Fidel Castro Smith. Father was clearly a communist! Had some tough fights - James Cook, Wharton, Nardiello. Wonder what he went on to do after. He was listed as a social worker at some point.
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SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 08:26
Frostieballs wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 08:08 Not a heavy - but my favourite Irish fighter is Slugger O’Toole.
I remember reading about him in some of the Naz/Ingle books, remember his real name made me chuckle too, Fidel Castro Smith. Father was clearly a communist! Had some tough fights - James Cook, Wharton, Nardiello. Wonder what he went on to do after. He was listed as a social worker at some point.
Paddy Reilly was a good black Irish heavyweight too. Now he calls himself Clifton Mitchell oddly.
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JamesPhilips wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 11:18
SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 08:26
Frostieballs wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 08:08 Not a heavy - but my favourite Irish fighter is Slugger O’Toole.
I remember reading about him in some of the Naz/Ingle books, remember his real name made me chuckle too, Fidel Castro Smith. Father was clearly a communist! Had some tough fights - James Cook, Wharton, Nardiello. Wonder what he went on to do after. He was listed as a social worker at some point.
Paddy Reilly was a good black Irish heavyweight too. Now he calls himself Clifton Mitchell oddly.
hahahaha you kidding mate? He was from Derby
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SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 11:26
JamesPhilips wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 11:18
SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 08:26

I remember reading about him in some of the Naz/Ingle books, remember his real name made me chuckle too, Fidel Castro Smith. Father was clearly a communist! Had some tough fights - James Cook, Wharton, Nardiello. Wonder what he went on to do after. He was listed as a social worker at some point.
Paddy Reilly was a good black Irish heavyweight too. Now he calls himself Clifton Mitchell oddly.
hahahaha you kidding mate? He was from Derby
lol of course I’m kidding. Brendan had a weird habit of giving some of his black fighters Irish names….
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Fury rediscovered his irish roots the moment he was tasked with defending the British title against David Price.
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JamesPhilips wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 19:08
SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 11:26
JamesPhilips wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 11:18

Paddy Reilly was a good black Irish heavyweight too. Now he calls himself Clifton Mitchell oddly.
hahahaha you kidding mate? He was from Derby
lol of course I’m kidding. Brendan had a weird habit of giving some of his black fighters Irish names….
hahahaha sorry mate. My mate Bob is close to Mick Mills and knew Brendan, has so many brilliant Mills and Brendan stories.
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SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 19:55
JamesPhilips wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 19:08
SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 11:26

hahahaha you kidding mate? He was from Derby
lol of course I’m kidding. Brendan had a weird habit of giving some of his black fighters Irish names….
hahahaha sorry mate. My mate Bob is close to Mick Mills and knew Brendan, has so many brilliant Mills and Brendan stories.
Mick the Bomb Mills?
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JamesPhilips wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 20:04
SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 19:55
JamesPhilips wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 19:08

lol of course I’m kidding. Brendan had a weird habit of giving some of his black fighters Irish names….
hahahaha sorry mate. My mate Bob is close to Mick Mills and knew Brendan, has so many brilliant Mills and Brendan stories.
Mick the Bomb Mills?
that's the one. My mate is Mick's age and is from Rotherham, was and is very close friends with him. Ran a door firm around there until his son died tragically young. His stories about Mick are brilliant. The gent Mick lived an insane lifestyle, could have done so much more in the ring if he'd lived the life. Regardless, what a chap.
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Generally smaller people/ poor diet and malnutrition.
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SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 20:24
JamesPhilips wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 20:04
SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 19:55

hahahaha sorry mate. My mate Bob is close to Mick Mills and knew Brendan, has so many brilliant Mills and Brendan stories.
Mick the Bomb Mills?
that's the one. My mate is Mick's age and is from Rotherham, was and is very close friends with him. Ran a door firm around there until his son died tragically young. His stories about Mick are brilliant. The gent Mick lived an insane lifestyle, could have done so much more in the ring if he'd lived the life. Regardless, what a chap.
👍🏼 found a previous thread on him here
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JamesPhilips wrote: 06 Feb 2024, 21:20
SeanBrennan wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 20:24
JamesPhilips wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 20:04

Mick the Bomb Mills?
that's the one. My mate is Mick's age and is from Rotherham, was and is very close friends with him. Ran a door firm around there until his son died tragically young. His stories about Mick are brilliant. The gent Mick lived an insane lifestyle, could have done so much more in the ring if he'd lived the life. Regardless, what a chap.
👍🏼 found a previous thread on him here
excellent. He was mentioned in an interview between Dave Allen and his father (also Dave Allen) recently, as his father was a pro for Ingle's gym at the same time as Mick. 22:30 in
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1363586 wrote: 06 Feb 2024, 05:00 Generally smaller people/ poor diet and malnutrition.
The city Irish seem to be smaller but the farmers/countryside folk are often gigantic. Know plenty of 6'3 plus fellas from that way, my farming family included 😄
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jtourettes wrote: 07 Feb 2024, 15:14
1363586 wrote: 06 Feb 2024, 05:00 Generally smaller people/ poor diet and malnutrition.
The city Irish seem to be smaller but the farmers/countryside folk are often gigantic. Know plenty of 6'3 plus fellas from that way, my farming family included 😄
Average height of an Irish man is 5ft 10, same as UK average. And 20th out of 200 countries so a bit of a myth that Irish people are hobbits. Although my father is from Fermanagh and a shortarse.
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Tyson Fury defeated Martin Rogan for the Irish Heavyweight titles back in 2014 in Belfast so ain’t so bad of an Irish Heavyweight.
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Geesalabc wrote: 07 Feb 2024, 18:19 Tyson Fury defeated Martin Rogan for the Irish Heavyweight titles back in 2014 in Belfast so ain’t so bad of an Irish Heavyweight.
He did, although that title is one of the most worthless and weakest titles ever. It is worse than any fringe belt in history. It has only been contested 6 times in 75 years since 1949. And all of the people before Fury were objectively shite. The Irish HW title means less than nothing.
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Anyway ain’t none of y’all ever heard of Big Joe Egan? The toughest white man in the world is Irish. Y’all musta forgot…

😁

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JamesPhilips wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 09:36 Anyway ain’t none of y’all ever heard of Big Joe Egan? The toughest white man in the world is Irish. Y’all musta forgot…

😁

amusingly he's still top 3 Irish heavyweights
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SeanBrennan wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 11:07
JamesPhilips wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 09:36 Anyway ain’t none of y’all ever heard of Big Joe Egan? The toughest white man in the world is Irish. Y’all musta forgot…

😁

amusingly he's still top 3 Irish heavyweights
What of all time? Surely you’re joking me 😁
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JamesPhilips wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 16:35
SeanBrennan wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 11:07
JamesPhilips wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 09:36 Anyway ain’t none of y’all ever heard of Big Joe Egan? The toughest white man in the world is Irish. Y’all musta forgot…

😁

amusingly he's still top 3 Irish heavyweights
What of all time? Surely you’re joking me 😁
God no James. I'm a moron but not that moronic. I was being silly - there are only 2 current Irish HW pros so therefore if Joe comes back he's in the top 3....out of 3.
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SeanBrennan wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 17:28
JamesPhilips wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 16:35
SeanBrennan wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 11:07

amusingly he's still top 3 Irish heavyweights
What of all time? Surely you’re joking me 😁
God no James. I'm a moron but not that moronic. I was being silly - there are only 2 current Irish HW pros so therefore if Joe comes back he's in the top 3....out of 3.
No way, Egan now would be like number 4, and number 6 on the all time list
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Coco wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 17:40
SeanBrennan wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 17:28
JamesPhilips wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 16:35

What of all time? Surely you’re joking me 😁
God no James. I'm a moron but not that moronic. I was being silly - there are only 2 current Irish HW pros so therefore if Joe comes back he's in the top 3....out of 3.
No way, Egan now would be like number 4, and number 6 on the all time list
be careful Coco you'll be getting a callout vid ;)
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SeanBrennan wrote: 07 Feb 2024, 19:12
Geesalabc wrote: 07 Feb 2024, 18:19 Tyson Fury defeated Martin Rogan for the Irish Heavyweight titles back in 2014 in Belfast so ain’t so bad of an Irish Heavyweight.
He did, although that title is one of the most worthless and weakest titles ever. It is worse than any fringe belt in history. It has only been contested 6 times in 75 years since 1949. And all of the people before Fury were objectively shite. The Irish HW title means less than nothing.
After David Price KO'd John McDermott in 1 round, the BBBoC called for purse bids for Tyson Fury to defend his British title against Price. Fury vacated the British title and Andy Lee's father signed an affidavit (proclaiming that Fury's grandmother was Irish) so that Fury could then fight Martin Rogan for the Irish title.
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The Gratest wrote: 08 Feb 2024, 18:00
SeanBrennan wrote: 07 Feb 2024, 19:12
Geesalabc wrote: 07 Feb 2024, 18:19 Tyson Fury defeated Martin Rogan for the Irish Heavyweight titles back in 2014 in Belfast so ain’t so bad of an Irish Heavyweight.
He did, although that title is one of the most worthless and weakest titles ever. It is worse than any fringe belt in history. It has only been contested 6 times in 75 years since 1949. And all of the people before Fury were objectively shite. The Irish HW title means less than nothing.
After David Price KO'd John McDermott in 1 round, the BBBoC called for purse bids for Tyson Fury to defend his British title against Price. Fury vacated the British title and Andy Lee's father signed an affidavit (proclaiming that Fury's grandmother was Irish) so that Fury could then fight Martin Rogan for the Irish title.
Andy Lee pretends he's related to Tyson doesn't he?
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