Bika-cerful... Calzaghe opens up a 1/66 on favourite

ALI · Post by **ALI** » 12 Sep 2006, 08:53

What a total waste of a career!

Hagler2002 · Post by **Hagler2002** » 12 Sep 2006, 10:14

ALI wrote:What a total waste of a career!

Yeah, he is a multi millionaire, spanked the bloke that was supposed to take his head off, is ranked in the top 10 pound for pound is only maybe 3 fights away from been inducted into the HOF and has women flocking around him

your post was a waste of time

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 12 Sep 2006, 10:39

Hagler2k6 wrote:
ALI wrote:What a total waste of a career!
Yeah, he is a multi millionaire, spanked the bloke that was supposed to take his head off, is ranked in the top 10 pound for pound is only maybe 3 fights away from been inducted into the HOF and has women flocking around him

your post was a waste of time

No, it was a fair expression of annoyance. I don't share that degree of cynicism, but this fight clearly stinks and is a retrogade step.

salaco · Post by **salaco** » 12 Sep 2006, 10:47

This fight will be a lot tougher than expected. I would laugh my ass off if Calzaghe got sparked by Bika (who has good pop) while on the cusp of making huge HBO money. Calzaghe's reign has been as if not more cynical as Roy Jones' 175 reign (and I was cheering for him against lacy)

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 12 Sep 2006, 10:58

While I think Bika will give a good account of himself...66-1 is about right.

Not the sort of fight Joe should be messing around with this late in the day.

FW should have pulled out all stops for a blockbuster follow up, live on HBO - at least some sort of "name" fans would recognise - instead he's dredged up a man guaranteed to beg the question: Who he??

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 12 Sep 2006, 12:27

you lot ought to get some dvds of bika. he's way above evans ashira and karbary salem. in fact i would bet that he could beat them with more conviction that Calzaghe did.

his showing vs Beyer was a wake up call. He wasn't just some outclassed import. He was a genuine shock to Beyer, who was going to get whipped.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 12 Sep 2006, 16:01

I'm gonna put a few quid on Bika and some more serious wedge on Calzaghe PTS.

no way is 1/66 right, there's some serious hysterionics there. Promising. I'm liking the chances of a good price for UD.

Bika looks to have the makings of a tough bastard who is capable of breaking Joe's breadstick hands with his head.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 12 Sep 2006, 16:06

viciousmaussa wrote:you lot ought to get some dvds of bika. he's way above evans ashira and karbary salem. in fact i would bet that he could beat them with more conviction that Calzaghe did.

his showing vs Beyer was a wake up call. He wasn't just some outclassed import. He was a genuine shock to Beyer, who was going to get whipped.

But those points are moot. Would you put 500 down on Bika to win by any stretch?

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 12 Sep 2006, 16:14

Mattyp151 wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:you lot ought to get some dvds of bika. he's way above evans ashira and karbary salem. in fact i would bet that he could beat them with more conviction that Calzaghe did.

his showing vs Beyer was a wake up call. He wasn't just some outclassed import. He was a genuine shock to Beyer, who was going to get whipped.
But those points are moot. Would you put 500 down on Bika to win by any stretch?

I would rather put 500 on bika than on calzaghe. More upside and actually the smart money longterm bet with that value, given enough fights with similar value on the dog.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Sep 2006, 16:14

No way will this bne 66/1 that must be a mistake

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 12 Sep 2006, 16:18

No it's true, look at oddschecker, most have him 1/50 but there is 1/66 out there and a couple of 1/33.

They don't have a scooby doo. For some reason the bookies keep feeling like they have to reimburse me in monetary terms whenever calzaghe fights, as if in apology for his sorry ass.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 12 Sep 2006, 16:28

Mattyp151 wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:you lot ought to get some dvds of bika. he's way above evans ashira and karbary salem. in fact i would bet that he could beat them with more conviction that Calzaghe did.

his showing vs Beyer was a wake up call. He wasn't just some outclassed import. He was a genuine shock to Beyer, who was going to get whipped.
But those points are moot. Would you put 500 down on Bika to win by any stretch?

the points are not moot. i only said that he would give the guy a real fight - & he'll have longer to prove it than vs Beyer, who was looking for a way out. bika is a live underdog and very dangerous. he is an awful choice of opponent for Calzaghe - no reward at all, but there IS risk. Bika is awkward, savvy vs souhpaws, hits hard, doesn't get overawed, and more than one of his fights have had nasty head clashes.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 12 Sep 2006, 17:18

Hmm strange odds indeed. At first I thought you meant Bika was at 66/1 then I was thinking of sticking some $ on Bika. But Calzaghe at 1/66 ?

I took a few different fights and added the dog's odds from the favourites, in american odds using Sportsbook.com

Barrera -165
Juarez +135

-165 + 135 = -35

Corrales -215
Casamayor +175
Difference = -140

Mayweather -600
Baldomir +400
Diff = -200

Kessler -650
Beyer +450
Diff = -200

Calzaghe -6600
Bika +1100
Diff = -5500

Prob won't come across such a big diff in awhile. What a shite bookie!

I reckon sportsbook will have..

Calzaghe at about 1/26 ( -2600 )
Bika at 16/1 ( +1600 )

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 12 Sep 2006, 17:19

At 1/66 I would place money even on Bi-kaka.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 12 Sep 2006, 17:57

Well of course they're trying to draw in a few punters with those eye catching odds, but that's because those canny bastards know damn well that Bika has NO CHANCE of winning.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 12 Sep 2006, 18:04

MightyWarrior wrote:Well of course they're trying to draw in a few punters with those eye catching odds, but that's because those canny bastards know damn well that Bika has NO CHANCE of winning.

Nooooo you misunderstood the original post, and so have a few others. That bookie has Calzaghe at 1/66 NOT Bika.

Bika is at 11/1

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 12 Sep 2006, 18:06

oh right

As you can tell, I'm fairly clueless when it comes to working out odds.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 12 Sep 2006, 20:10

Its a shame Calzaghe can opperate at a higher level than he does but is content to make money, not good for the sport and dissrespectful to his fans

Deram · Post by **Deram** » 18 Sep 2006, 04:17

pundit wrote:At 1/66 I would place money even on Bi-kaka.

Same here. There is always a chance that something freakish happen. And 66/1 is just over the top.

Of course Bika has next to no chance in normal terms, but many things could happen. I would rather have it something like 15-20/1.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 18 Sep 2006, 10:10

josh fg wrote:Its a shame Calzaghe can opperate at a higher level than he does but is content to make money, not good for the sport and dissrespectful to his fans

All fighters think about the money the most which is great, but Calzaghe has enough now to think more of a legacy.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 18 Sep 2006, 10:12

Max Molyneux wrote:
josh fg wrote:Its a shame Calzaghe can opperate at a higher level than he does but is content to make money, not good for the sport and dissrespectful to his fans
All fighters think about the money the most which is great, but Calzaghe has enough now to think more of a legacy.

We're waiting and and in spite of all haven't given up hope!

E · Post by E » 18 Sep 2006, 10:15

viciousmaussa wrote:you lot ought to get some dvds of bika. he's way above evans ashira and karbary salem. in fact i would bet that he could beat them with more conviction that Calzaghe did.

his showing vs Beyer was a wake up call. He wasn't just some outclassed import. He was a genuine shock to Beyer, who was going to get whipped.

Yeah Bika is actually decent...but just not the kind of test/big fight we would expect joe to be in at this stage of his career.

Achybreaky · Post by **Achybreaky** » 18 Sep 2006, 12:12

lvlarc_uk wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:Well of course they're trying to draw in a few punters with those eye catching odds, but that's because those canny bastards know damn well that Bika has NO CHANCE of winning.
Nooooo you misunderstood the original post, and so have a few others. That bookie has Calzaghe at 1/66 NOT Bika.

Bika is at 11/1

It always baffles me if a fighter can be 1/66 on and they put the other guy up at 11/1 surely he should be 66/1, the book sure are a bunch of robbing bandstands covering their arse.

conan_the_cribber · Post by **conan_the_cribber** » 19 Sep 2006, 20:10

achybreaky wrote:
lvlarc_uk wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:Well of course they're trying to draw in a few punters with those eye catching odds, but that's because those canny bastards know damn well that Bika has NO CHANCE of winning.
Nooooo you misunderstood the original post, and so have a few others. That bookie has Calzaghe at 1/66 NOT Bika.

Bika is at 11/1
It always baffles me if a fighter can be 1/66 on and they put the other guy up at 11/1 surely he should be 66/1, the book sure are a bunch of robbing bandstands covering their arse.

At 1-66 it costs you 98 to make 100. At 11-1 it costs you 9 to make a 100. The draw is at 33-1, that costs you 3 to make a 100. That means backing both fighters and the draw costs you in total 98+9+3=110. That means the bookies are trying to pay out 100 for every 110 backed. That is why the reverse odds e.g. 66-1 are not offered for Bika.

A 10% margin is pretty slim when you think about it. Can you lay the correct odds within 10% all the time? The problem the bookies have is if they open on the seriously wrong line e.g. Sam Peter at 4-1. They get hammered in minutes.

11-1 for Bika is a decent bet. If the fight had gone two more rounds then Bika would be the WBC champ and you would only be getting odds of 5-1 instead of 11-1.

conan

Achybreaky · Post by **Achybreaky** » 20 Sep 2006, 11:42

conan_the_cribber wrote:
achybreaky wrote:
lvlarc_uk wrote: Nooooo you misunderstood the original post, and so have a few others. That bookie has Calzaghe at 1/66 NOT Bika.

Bika is at 11/1
It always baffles me if a fighter can be 1/66 on and they put the other guy up at 11/1 surely he should be 66/1, the book sure are a bunch of robbing bandstands covering their arse.
At 1-66 it costs you 98 to make 100. At 11-1 it costs you 9 to make a 100. The draw is at 33-1, that costs you 3 to make a 100. That means backing both fighters and the draw costs you in total 98+9+3=110. That means the bookies are trying to pay out 100 for every 110 backed. That is why the reverse odds e.g. 66-1 are not offered for Bika.

A 10% margin is pretty slim when you think about it. Can you lay the correct odds within 10% all the time? The problem the bookies have is if they open on the seriously wrong line e.g. Sam Peter at 4-1. They get hammered in minutes.

11-1 for Bika is a decent bet. If the fight had gone two more rounds then Bika would be the WBC champ and you would only be getting odds of 5-1 instead of 11-1.

conan

Question answered cheers mate, i still think the bookies are bandstands though... shifty eyes the lot of em.

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