Why Doesn't Fury Come Into The Ring In Tip Top Shape?

[Controversial]

Wlad's last fight, he weighed 240, twelve years before that, he weighed a pound or two more.

Uysk's two year older than Fury, he's in great shape, AJ a year younger, great shape.

Fury just fought his first fight for all the belts against arguably his best opponent. This fight was at the top of his career path.

Ever see Ali, Frazier, Jack Johnson, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Foreman, Liston, Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Vitali or Holmes come to the ring like that by the age of 35?

Different body types though. Fury's taller than most of them and his genetics aren't like Klitschko or other fighters. Look at Fury in his early fights, he had little definition or muscle even in his early 20s. He's never been any different, his fitness is what is important, not how good his six pack is. Fury was up on his toes in the 12th against Usyk and won the round on most people's cards, he wasn't blowing out his arse. Bruno looked like a bodybuilder and as a result lacked stamina.

Different body types? Don't talk silly. If any of the fighters mentioned didn't eat and train properly, they would carry weight they didn't need. Whether that be around the middle, or spread around the body. The reason Fury is carrying fat is because he lacks discipline, not because he's got some masterscheme that no other great heavyweight in the history of the sport has thought of. Enter the ring carrying too much fat and it gives you an almost invincible superpower. Listen to yourself man. It's crazy talk.

Yes different body types, you have listed fighters ranging from 5'9" to 6"9". Some people have naturally more body fat than others or carry fat in different areas. Lots of HWs put on weight as they age too, Foreman was 220 in his 20s and 250 in his 30s. Lewis at his prime was 225-230, against Klitschko he was 256. Mike Tyson was 215-220 at his best, almost 240 in his later years. What I meant about his weight was that if he lost a lot would he be any better. I don't think so as that extra weight often helps Fury in terms of using it to push people back, lean on them etc. I'd rather see him at 260 than I would at 220.

[jwfg]

Different body types though. Fury's taller than most of them and his genetics aren't like Klitschko or other fighters. Look at Fury in his early fights, he had little definition or muscle even in his early 20s. He's never been any different, his fitness is what is important, not how good his six pack is. Fury was up on his toes in the 12th against Usyk and won the round on most people's cards, he wasn't blowing out his arse. Bruno looked like a bodybuilder and as a result lacked stamina.

Different body types? Don't talk silly. If any of the fighters mentioned didn't eat and train properly, they would carry weight they didn't need. Whether that be around the middle, or spread around the body. The reason Fury is carrying fat is because he lacks discipline, not because he's got some masterscheme that no other great heavyweight in the history of the sport has thought of. Enter the ring carrying too much fat and it gives you an almost invincible superpower. Listen to yourself man. It's crazy talk.

Yes different body types, you have listed fighters ranging from 5'9" to 6"9". Some people have naturally more body fat than others or carry fat in different areas. Lots of HWs put on weight as they age too, Foreman was 220 in his 20s and 250 in his 30s. Lewis at his prime was 225-230, against Klitschko he was 256. Mike Tyson was 215-220 at his best, almost 240 in his later years. What I meant about his weight was that if he lost a lot would he be any better. I don't think so as that extra weight often helps Fury in terms of using it to push people back, lean on them etc. I'd rather see him at 260 than I would at 220.

Would you rather see him at 248 than 262?

[Controversial]

Different body types? Don't talk silly. If any of the fighters mentioned didn't eat and train properly, they would carry weight they didn't need. Whether that be around the middle, or spread around the body. The reason Fury is carrying fat is because he lacks discipline, not because he's got some masterscheme that no other great heavyweight in the history of the sport has thought of. Enter the ring carrying too much fat and it gives you an almost invincible superpower. Listen to yourself man. It's crazy talk.

Yes different body types, you have listed fighters ranging from 5'9" to 6"9". Some people have naturally more body fat than others or carry fat in different areas. Lots of HWs put on weight as they age too, Foreman was 220 in his 20s and 250 in his 30s. Lewis at his prime was 225-230, against Klitschko he was 256. Mike Tyson was 215-220 at his best, almost 240 in his later years. What I meant about his weight was that if he lost a lot would he be any better. I don't think so as that extra weight often helps Fury in terms of using it to push people back, lean on them etc. I'd rather see him at 260 than I would at 220.

Would you rather see him at 248 than 262?

I don't think so, his fitness wasn't affected. I bet he'd still have love handles at 248 too

[si7dog7]

That is his tip top shape.

“The Ambling Alp” Primo Carnera was huge but his definition was better. He got found out though.
Nicolas Valuev is prob the closest body type fit to Fury but with far inferior skills.

Fury has a half decent engine for a 260+ llb fighter (in his best shape). Not good enough against a lighter guy with great cardio. Plus these two aren’t huge punchers.

Cardio was the key. The 9th round showed this.

[jwfg]

Yes different body types, you have listed fighters ranging from 5'9" to 6"9". Some people have naturally more body fat than others or carry fat in different areas. Lots of HWs put on weight as they age too, Foreman was 220 in his 20s and 250 in his 30s. Lewis at his prime was 225-230, against Klitschko he was 256. Mike Tyson was 215-220 at his best, almost 240 in his later years. What I meant about his weight was that if he lost a lot would he be any better. I don't think so as that extra weight often helps Fury in terms of using it to push people back, lean on them etc. I'd rather see him at 260 than I would at 220.

Would you rather see him at 248 than 262?

I don't think so, his fitness wasn't affected. I bet he'd still have love handles at 248 too

But he'd be carrying around a stone more fat at 262, which physically requires more energy, plus the extra weight around his middle makes it harder for his heart to pump blood round his body, which means less oxygen. Surely you can't argue with the science behind that? Although I'm sure you will.

[Controversial]

Would you rather see him at 248 than 262?

I don't think so, his fitness wasn't affected. I bet he'd still have love handles at 248 too

But he'd be carrying around a stone more fat at 262, which physically requires more energy, plus the extra weight around his middle makes it harder for his heart to pump blood round his body, which means less oxygen. Surely you can't argue with the science behind that? Although I'm sure you will.

Why not put him on a serious training regime and get him down to 220 then. He’d be unstoppable.

[cormack]

That was tip top for him !

hand speed and reactions were there , upper body movement , decent footwork , punch selection was all in play .

But to keep it up round after round requires a level of stamina he just doesnt have .

he *nearly* kept up with a stamina machine with an awesome engine who is 40lbs lighter

sounds like he's in decent fighting shape for a 19stone man to me

* nearly *

if i had quid for every time I nearly pulled then fukk Id be rich

[jwfg]

I don't think so, his fitness wasn't affected. I bet he'd still have love handles at 248 too

But he'd be carrying around a stone more fat at 262, which physically requires more energy, plus the extra weight around his middle makes it harder for his heart to pump blood round his body, which means less oxygen. Surely you can't argue with the science behind that? Although I'm sure you will.

Why not put him on a serious training regime and get him down to 220 then. He’d be unstoppable.

Stop behaving like a child, it's beneath you. The better prepared a boxer is physically, the more chance he has of winning.
220? Tyson Fury has enough money to employ the best possible nutritionist, dietician, sports scientist etc. He could work with them to enter the ring at his optimum weight with the right amount of body fat.

There's a reason why every other heavyweight champion at the height of their career didn't have a load of fat around their belly. Can you guess why?

[Controversial]

But he'd be carrying around a stone more fat at 262, which physically requires more energy, plus the extra weight around his middle makes it harder for his heart to pump blood round his body, which means less oxygen. Surely you can't argue with the science behind that? Although I'm sure you will.

Why not put him on a serious training regime and get him down to 220 then. He’d be unstoppable.

Stop behaving like a child, it's beneath you. The better prepared a boxer is physically, the more chance he has of winning.
220? Tyson Fury has enough money to employ the best possible nutritionist, dietician, sports scientist etc. He could work with them to enter the ring at his optimum weight with the right amount of body fat.

There's a reason why every other heavyweight champion at the height of their career didn't have a load of fat around their belly. Can you guess why?

I just don’t think that losing weight would improve him, the weight often works to his advantage. He was prepared, he was fit and up on his toes in the 12th round. Could you see body beautiful Bruno doing that? The point you keep missing is Fury has looked the same most of his career, it’s not like he’s suddenly turned into a flabby fighter. Fury lost but not because he was unfit. Did Fury do better against Wilder weighing 256 or in the rematches at 273 and 277?



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[joshj909]

He had a phase where he did have a decent physique. As he's proved though, you don't need to be body beautiful to be a good fighter.

He's not looked like that since he's been off the Nandrolone.

[jwfg]

Why not put him on a serious training regime and get him down to 220 then. He’d be unstoppable.

Stop behaving like a child, it's beneath you. The better prepared a boxer is physically, the more chance he has of winning.
220? Tyson Fury has enough money to employ the best possible nutritionist, dietician, sports scientist etc. He could work with them to enter the ring at his optimum weight with the right amount of body fat.

There's a reason why every other heavyweight champion at the height of their career didn't have a load of fat around their belly. Can you guess why?

I just don’t think that losing weight would improve him, the weight often works to his advantage. He was prepared, he was fit and up on his toes in the 12th round. Could you see body beautiful Bruno doing that? The point you keep missing is Fury has looked that same most of his career, it’s not like he’s suddenly turned into a flabby fighter. Fury lost but not because he was unfit. Did Fury do better against Wilder weighing 256 or in the rematches at 273 and 277?

He did better because he was on the front foot, beating Wilder to the punch.

I don't know if you noticed, but Fury lost on Saturday night. Maybe, just maybe, if he wasn't so badly prepared, he might have won. I mean, Usyk was in great shape and look what happened to him.

[gilgamesh]

Fury was in about as good of shape as I've ever seen him in for the Usyk fight. It's possible it would've been to his benefit to be heavier, but there's no doubt he was in excellent shape, and had trained to maximize his speed.

[Controversial]

Stop behaving like a child, it's beneath you. The better prepared a boxer is physically, the more chance he has of winning.
220? Tyson Fury has enough money to employ the best possible nutritionist, dietician, sports scientist etc. He could work with them to enter the ring at his optimum weight with the right amount of body fat.

There's a reason why every other heavyweight champion at the height of their career didn't have a load of fat around their belly. Can you guess why?

I just don’t think that losing weight would improve him, the weight often works to his advantage. He was prepared, he was fit and up on his toes in the 12th round. Could you see body beautiful Bruno doing that? The point you keep missing is Fury has looked that same most of his career, it’s not like he’s suddenly turned into a flabby fighter. Fury lost but not because he was unfit. Did Fury do better against Wilder weighing 256 or in the rematches at 273 and 277?

He did better because he was on the front foot, beating Wilder to the punch.

I don't know if you noticed, but Fury lost on Saturday night. Maybe, just maybe, if he wasn't so badly prepared, he might have won. I mean, Usyk was in great shape and look what happened to him.

He was in great shape. In my opinion if he takes the rematch he’d be better coming in heavier and putting it on Usyk more.

[paultom]

I just don’t think that losing weight would improve him, the weight often works to his advantage. He was prepared, he was fit and up on his toes in the 12th round. Could you see body beautiful Bruno doing that? The point you keep missing is Fury has looked that same most of his career, it’s not like he’s suddenly turned into a flabby fighter. Fury lost but not because he was unfit. Did Fury do better against Wilder weighing 256 or in the rematches at 273 and 277?

He did better because he was on the front foot, beating Wilder to the punch.

I don't know if you noticed, but Fury lost on Saturday night. Maybe, just maybe, if he wasn't so badly prepared, he might have won. I mean, Usyk was in great shape and look what happened to him.

He was in great shape. In my opinion if he takes the rematch he’d be better coming in heavier and putting it on Usyk more.

If he does that and changes tactis,then Usyk will change his to suit and beat him conclusively

[rhino222]

a couple of things from my perspective:

The erky jerky style of fury (see Wilder 2) wasnt there on sat night. my belief is that this is because he wasnt scared or usyk so didnt fight with fear. To me, thats as good as ive ever seen fury.

the best fury has looked body wise is probably the cunningham fight, completely different body shape to now.

[tonyevs]

I think identifying his weight distracts from the original question of being in tip top shape.

Fury is without doubt a very good boxer. For such an obese person he has huge amounts of natural fitness and stamina.

If he was truly dedicated to being the best he could he wouldn`t come into the ring looking like Homer Simpson - he`d improve his diet and be training similar to Usyk, AJ and the other top guys .. he may not look as body-beautiful as AJ but those love handles wouldn`t be there and he wouldn`t have to be wearing his protector up around his chest to hide his flabby belly.
If he did that, and with his natural skills, its difficult to imagine him losing to a guy 40lb lighter and 6" shorter .. even someone as great as Usyk.

Instead it appears he neglects coming into the ring the best he could - and probably relies on PEDs to compensate.

[Controversial]

He did better because he was on the front foot, beating Wilder to the punch.

I don't know if you noticed, but Fury lost on Saturday night. Maybe, just maybe, if he wasn't so badly prepared, he might have won. I mean, Usyk was in great shape and look what happened to him.

He was in great shape. In my opinion if he takes the rematch he’d be better coming in heavier and putting it on Usyk more.

If he does that and changes tactis,then Usyk will change his to suit and beat him conclusively

Maybe but when Fury was on the offensive he had more success. He has more chance using his size than standing off and letting Usyk work.

[Roco]

I just don’t think that losing weight would improve him, the weight often works to his advantage. He was prepared, he was fit and up on his toes in the 12th round. Could you see body beautiful Bruno doing that? The point you keep missing is Fury has looked that same most of his career, it’s not like he’s suddenly turned into a flabby fighter. Fury lost but not because he was unfit. Did Fury do better against Wilder weighing 256 or in the rematches at 273 and 277?

He did better because he was on the front foot, beating Wilder to the punch.

I don't know if you noticed, but Fury lost on Saturday night. Maybe, just maybe, if he wasn't so badly prepared, he might have won. I mean, Usyk was in great shape and look what happened to him.

He was in great shape. In my opinion if he takes the rematch he’d be better coming in heavier and putting it on Usyk more.

I reckon that would be a huge risk that could backfire if Usyk is still there after 5 rounds, which is highly likely.

[Controversial]

He did better because he was on the front foot, beating Wilder to the punch.

I don't know if you noticed, but Fury lost on Saturday night. Maybe, just maybe, if he wasn't so badly prepared, he might have won. I mean, Usyk was in great shape and look what happened to him.

He was in great shape. In my opinion if he takes the rematch he’d be better coming in heavier and putting it on Usyk more.

I reckon that would be a huge risk that could backfire if Usyk is still there after 5 rounds, which is highly likely.

Maybe but Fury was hurting Usyk when he landed. I’m surprised he didn’t lean on Usyk more and try and wear him down. If he tries the same again it’s likely he will lose anyway, he needs to try something else.

[margaret thatcher]

it's nowhere near as simple as just leaning on a guy and guy goes kaput

[Controversial]

it's nowhere near as simple as just leaning on a guy and guy goes kaput

Obviously

[margaret thatcher]

maybe we didnt see all this leaning and mauling and clubbing because usyk wouldnt let it happen? or because he was too fit to be worn down to the point of being stationary ? people keep talking about it like usyk would be totally passive in the process and fury could just stroll in and ragdoll him

[Coco]

it's nowhere near as simple as just leaning on a guy and guy goes kaput

Obviously

At top level nothing is simple, same why don't you just whack him in the face?

Nevertheless you have game plans, and you attempt to impose that game plan on the opponent.

The extent to which you are successful in imposing that game plan is the difference between winning and losing.

Fury didn't even attempt the octopus job which suggests that wasn't his game plan.

However in Wilder 2 it was his game plan and he successfully implemented it.

If there is a rematch that could well be his tactic, but of course Usyk may well be successful in imposing his own plans.

[margaret thatcher]

fury was much more aggressive with power punches in the wilder rematch, it wasnt a wrestling job where fury leaned him into knock downs and fatigue

the first fight he was throwing only 3 or 4 power shots a round at times

[Coco]