Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tyson Fury II | PPV - 21 December 2024

[paultom]

In amongst all the sniping and crowing, I'm amazed nobody is even entertaining the idea that Fury might do better in a rematch. Historically, he always has done.

Perhaps many of the people who feel Usyk was robbed of a stoppage by a referee and his pesky "rules" also have seemingly forgotten that not so long ago a similarly 'controversial' intervention by a ref "robbed" Dubois of his "stoppage against Usyk last year.

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my Uncle, you might say.

It's 2024 guys: your Auntie could have bollocks and might still actually be your Uncle.

Think about it.

Those rematches weren't against an elite level fighter who had him rolling from corner to corner though,and also they were not revenge rematches at age 36.We really don't know how he'll take this defeat yet.

We saw Fury took the defeat well. There weren’t any belts thrown out of the ring.

True,but he blamed the war and then moaned to the judges as he walked back to his dressing room backstage

[jwfg]

In amongst all the sniping and crowing, I'm amazed nobody is even entertaining the idea that Fury might do better in a rematch. Historically, he always has done.

Perhaps many of the people who feel Usyk was robbed of a stoppage by a referee and his pesky "rules" also have seemingly forgotten that not so long ago a similarly 'controversial' intervention by a ref "robbed" Dubois of his "stoppage against Usyk last year.

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my Uncle, you might say.

It's 2024 guys: your Auntie could have bollocks and might still actually be your Uncle.

Think about it.

Those rematches weren't against an elite level fighter who had him rolling from corner to corner though,and also they were not revenge rematches at age 36.We really don't know how he'll take this defeat yet.

We saw Fury took the defeat well. There weren’t any belts thrown out of the ring.

Yeah, but he blamed the loss on the Ukrainian army.

[Cyclops]

In amongst all the sniping and crowing, I'm amazed nobody is even entertaining the idea that Fury might do better in a rematch. Historically, he always has done.

Perhaps many of the people who feel Usyk was robbed of a stoppage by a referee and his pesky "rules" also have seemingly forgotten that not so long ago a similarly 'controversial' intervention by a ref "robbed" Dubois of his "stoppage against Usyk last year.

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my Uncle, you might say.

It's 2024 guys: your Auntie could have bollocks and might still actually be your Uncle.

Think about it.

Those rematches weren't against an elite level fighter who had him rolling from corner to corner though,and also they were not revenge rematches at age 36.We really don't know how he'll take this defeat yet.

We saw Fury took the defeat well. There weren’t any belts thrown out of the ring.

I don't think you can say that. He didn't have a full-on meltdown but he was still pretty salty. I've never really liked interviewing concussed losers in the ring after the fight. Didn't he say "happy new year!" too?

[jamesmcdonnell]

I wholeheartedly agree - the vast majority of those people I work with who have serious mental health disorders are typically the gentlest and nicest people I meet.
fWank insults those with bipolar, he clearly has no idea of the disorder.

I agree regarding the ADHD, that is more likely than bipolar - but again, its unlikely because he can dedicate himself to strict training like he has demonstrated the last few months. You can`t pick and choose when you have symptoms of ADHD ... and definitely not bipolar disorder.

Facts are that there has not been any evidence of him experiencing the level of typical manic or depressive symptoms. All we know is that when he got depressed when he got caught and banned for PEDs ... being depressed about a sh1t situation is actually quite normal.
There was a very well known former world champion who demonstrated with typical bipolar disorder ... the grandiose of a manic episode is something else indeed.

I have ADHD, and can focus intensely when I need to. That's a bit of a myth. Often intense pressure will create conditions that make the ADHD sufferer hyper focused.

What it doesn't do, is make you belligerent and unpleasant

That's interesting. Someone who identifies as being able to maintain focus, or maintain hyper focus, typically has the psychiatrist raising their eyebrows in ADHD clinic.

Can I ask - have you a formal diagnosis? If so - was it a private consultation?

Another thing I found interesting when first attending clinic is that the medication for ADHD is what I imagined would exacerbate the ADHD symptoms - but the stimulant type meds have the opposite affect on those with ADHD.

I went through an 18 month assessment process, then they said a panel was being assembled to arrange a treatment plan, this was after being formally diagnosed with depression featuring suicidal ideation, with suspected comorbidity with ADHD

Following that, the local mental health group involved with my assessment, was closed down, and all my notes lost

I decided I would treat my own problems with diet, CBT principles and an exercise regimen.

I'm doing OK.

[jwfg]

I have ADHD, and can focus intensely when I need to. That's a bit of a myth. Often intense pressure will create conditions that make the ADHD sufferer hyper focused.

What it doesn't do, is make you belligerent and unpleasant

That's interesting. Someone who identifies as being able to maintain focus, or maintain hyper focus, typically has the psychiatrist raising their eyebrows in ADHD clinic.

Can I ask - have you a formal diagnosis? If so - was it a private consultation?

Another thing I found interesting when first attending clinic is that the medication for ADHD is what I imagined would exacerbate the ADHD symptoms - but the stimulant type meds have the opposite affect on those with ADHD.

I went through an 18 month assessment process, then they said a panel was being assembled to arrange a treatment plan, this was after being formally diagnosed with depression featuring suicidal ideation, with suspected comorbidity with ADHD

Following that, the local mental health group involved with my assessment, was closed down, and all my notes lost

I decided I would treat my own problems with diet, CBT principles and an exercise regimen.

I'm doing OK.

James, sorry to join the conversation, but I have to ask. Have you had self destructive tendencies over the years? Maybe more so when you were younger? Feel free to tell me to p1ss off if it's non of my business.

[Counter-puncher]

Those rematches weren't against an elite level fighter who had him rolling from corner to corner though,and also they were not revenge rematches at age 36.We really don't know how he'll take this defeat yet.

We saw Fury took the defeat well. There weren’t any belts thrown out of the ring.

I don't think you can say that. He didn't have a full-on meltdown but he was still pretty salty. I've never really liked interviewing concussed losers in the ring after the fight. Didn't he say "happy new year!" too?

Yeah let’s have it right, who reacted worse to the usyk loss, Fury or AJ? Fury wasn’t near AJ level meltdown

[Cyclops]

We saw Fury took the defeat well. There weren’t any belts thrown out of the ring.

I don't think you can say that. He didn't have a full-on meltdown but he was still pretty salty. I've never really liked interviewing concussed losers in the ring after the fight. Didn't he say "happy new year!" too?

Yeah let’s have it right, who reacted worse to the usyk loss, Fury or AJ? Fury wasn’t near AJ level meltdown

Who was the better loser probably isn't a debate either fighter is interested in to be honest!

[jamesmcdonnell]

That's interesting. Someone who identifies as being able to maintain focus, or maintain hyper focus, typically has the psychiatrist raising their eyebrows in ADHD clinic.

Can I ask - have you a formal diagnosis? If so - was it a private consultation?

Another thing I found interesting when first attending clinic is that the medication for ADHD is what I imagined would exacerbate the ADHD symptoms - but the stimulant type meds have the opposite affect on those with ADHD.

I went through an 18 month assessment process, then they said a panel was being assembled to arrange a treatment plan, this was after being formally diagnosed with depression featuring suicidal ideation, with suspected comorbidity with ADHD

Following that, the local mental health group involved with my assessment, was closed down, and all my notes lost

I decided I would treat my own problems with diet, CBT principles and an exercise regimen.

I'm doing OK.

James, sorry to join the conversation, but I have to ask. Have you had self destructive tendencies over the years? Maybe more so when you were younger? Feel free to tell me to p1ss off if it's non of my business.

Oh, absolutely, I've had serious issues with booze and drugs.

Worn off with age, and a bit more discipline.

No worries pal, nothing to hide here.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Oleksandr Usyk vs Tyson Fury Rematch Date Confirmed

- His Excellency, Turki Alalshikh, has confirmed that a rematch between Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury is being planned.
- The Saudi boxing chief is eyeing up the 21st of December for the mouthwatering contest to take place.
- The Ukrainian became the first undisputed heavyweight champion of the world since Lennox Lewis in 1999 when he defeated 'The Gypsy King' earlier this month.

His Excellency, Turki Alalshikh, has confirmed that the rematch between Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury is being planned for the 21st of December in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

Taking to X - formerly known as Twitter - Alalshikh tweeted: "The rematch between the Undisputed Champion Oleksandr Usyk and the Champion Tyson Fury is now scheduled on the 21 of December 2024 during Riyadh Season...The world will watch another historical fight again...Our commitment to boxing fans continues...We hope you enjoy it."

The Ukrainian became the first undisputed heavyweight champion of the world since Lennox Lewis in 1999 when he defeated 'The Gypsy King' earlier this month.

The 37-year-old secured a tight split decision win on the judges' scorecards after an epic battle at Kingdom Arena. The official score totals read 115-112 Usyk, 114-113 Fury & 114-113 Usyk.

[quickeyg]

Time for revenge.

[tonyevs]

Are the sanctioning bodies agreeing to keep the division on hold until then?

Scheduled for 21/12/24 .. but with Fury's track record, it could very well be May 2025 again.

It's a shame for the other contenders having to wait around potentially another year for this.
Turki may financially recompense them if they fight the other contenders for no belt, which will be good for us, but ultimately it could mean them disappearing from history books.

Usyk won very clearly, so any rematch is unnecessary to identify the top guy. Therefore vacating the belts is the best for the sport IMO .. if the judges give it to Fury it could mean a 3rd fight

[jwfg]

Only 9% of our number predicting a Fury win. Doofus, Rasta, mickey and quickeyg?

[Terminator666]

So probably be nearer December 2025 by the time Fury gets his act together

[jameswilson]

Only 9% of our number predicting a Fury win. Doofus, Rasta, mickey and quickeyg?

It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility Fury turns it around.

Spending 12 rounds with someone is valuable experience for a second fight. Usyk's intelligence would tell me that he will adapt to a second fight really well but we underestimate Fury's boxing IQ I think.

[jwfg]

Only 9% of our number predicting a Fury win. Doofus, Rasta, mickey and quickeyg?

It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility Fury turns it around.

Spending 12 rounds with someone is valuable experience for a second fight. Usyk's intelligence would tell me that he will adapt to a second fight really well but we underestimate Fury's boxing IQ I think.

Fury's got good ring IQ, no question in my mind. It'll be the same result if Fury doesn't get rid of the fat around his middle. I think Usyk's will have learned enough from the first fight to implement what he need in the rematch. He took everything Fury gave him and never looked like going down. For me it's Usyk in more comprehensive fashion this time.

[tonyevs]

When talking boxing IQ and the ability to adapt and make changes, then that clearly favours Usyk. After all, he was the one who demonstrated better boxing IQ and skills.

Usyk also has the knowledge he hits hard enough to KO Fury - and Fury again doesn't have that benefit.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Only 9% of our number predicting a Fury win. Doofus, Rasta, mickey and quickeyg?

It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility Fury turns it around.

Spending 12 rounds with someone is valuable experience for a second fight. Usyk's intelligence would tell me that he will adapt to a second fight really well but we underestimate Fury's boxing IQ I think.

Fury's got good ring IQ, no question in my mind. It'll be the same result if Fury doesn't get rid of the fat around his middle. I think Usyk's will have learned enough from the first fight to implement what he need in the rematch. He took everything Fury gave him and never looked like going down. For me it's Usyk in more comprehensive fashion this time.

I don't know that Fury is capable of getting in better shape, I mean how long did he have to train for this fight?

The only thing you could possibly say is that he wasn't as sharp as he would have been had he had been able to spar more, as the cut must have limited that.

[margaret thatcher]

fury himself said he doesnt think he could do anything better in prep or during the fight than he did the first time

but it was very close, a rematch is very very live

now how many times will the date change this time, we already had october up there

[tonyevs]

It will be interesting how Fury presents himself in the build up this time.

Does he still play the bullying, abusive and obnoxious Tyson Fury, or does he try and play the vulnerable mental health victim?

Seeing as his father, Big Bully John, has been locked in the attic since the loss, and Fury he has already arranged the pictures of him going to the tip in his 07 passat... my moneys on him playing the sympathy card and its the victim act we see.

[Nightmare Roy]

Time for revenge.

Usyk just has these big guys numbers IMO, makes them work constantly, Fury will have success again but he just won't have the energy to do it for 12 rounds. He also needs to sort his corner out to have any chance, it was so poor.

[gilgamesh]

It will be interesting how Fury presents himself in the build up this time.

Does he still play the bullying, abusive and obnoxious Tyson Fury, or does he try and play the vulnerable mental health victim?

Seeing as his father, Big Bully John, has been locked in the attic since the loss, and Fury he has already arranged the pictures of him going to the tip in his 07 passat... my moneys on him playing the sympathy card and its the victim act we see.

More importantly is how is he gonna fight the fight next time?

I think he'd be well advised to fight Usyk more aggressively the way he did Wilder in the 2nd bout. Coming forward, using his size and weight on Usyk.

He should not be the man fighting on the backfoot.

[gilgamesh]

fury himself said he doesnt think he could do anything better in prep or during the fight than he did the first time

but it was very close, a rematch is very very live

now how many times will the date change this time, we already had october up there

I don't expect Fury will or could get into better shape, but he could certainly use a different strategy in there.

[MasterG]

Purely a money fight this rematch, Tyson Fury will come in overweight like a slob just to cash in before he retires. Usyk, will beat him again hopefully this time by a good knockout and retire gracefully.

[jwfg]

Purely a money fight this rematch, Tyson Fury will come in overweight like a slob just to cash in before he retires. Usyk, will beat him again hopefully this time by a good knockout and retire gracefully.

It's not purely a money fight if both think they're going to win. Do you think Fury will step in the ring doing it just for the money.

[mooman]

Purely a money fight this rematch, Tyson Fury will come in overweight like a slob just to cash in before he retires. Usyk, will beat him again hopefully this time by a good knockout and retire gracefully.

It's not purely a money fight if both think they're going to win. Do you think Fury will step in the ring doing it just for the money.

Absolutely. Does a person whoring himself and his family do so for anything other than money?

I see there is even a Tyson Fury EAU de toilet fragrance. For anyone who aspires to smell like a big fat gypsy