RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:42
igor king wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:35
BROZO wrote: 15 Jun 2024, 23:13

I think it was too much of a jump in weight for him. IMHO
He was just fighting one of the best at the weight class who was just unfortunate to get under Beterbiev truck too early.

Gvozdyk is an Olympic medalist and has a KO win against Stevenson on his resume.
Damned fine win for Benavidez, as well as a damned good performance by Gvozdyk, but let’s be honest, Gvozdyk after the long layoff and three can 2023 is not Beterbiev or Bivol. Benavidez best path is to go back and fight Canelo and wait out the Russians. He can’t beat them at this moment. They are both too big, strong, gifted, and skilled at this point. Maybe in two years.
I feel like he's about the same size as Bivol and matches better with him. Beterbiev is a no-go, though. He doesn't have anything to keep him off.

I agree, though, Benavidez's one path is at 168. He's not a LHW unless he does some radical conditioning, and even then, he doesn't have the natural power to deter guys.

He did not look impressive at all. Punches looked flat. Gvozdyk was walking through everything and shrugged off punches.
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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Mexi-Box wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:49
ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:42
igor king wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:35
He was just fighting one of the best at the weight class who was just unfortunate to get under Beterbiev truck too early.

Gvozdyk is an Olympic medalist and has a KO win against Stevenson on his resume.
Damned fine win for Benavidez, as well as a damned good performance by Gvozdyk, but let’s be honest, Gvozdyk after the long layoff and three can 2023 is not Beterbiev or Bivol. Benavidez best path is to go back and fight Canelo and wait out the Russians. He can’t beat them at this moment. They are both too big, strong, gifted, and skilled at this point. Maybe in two years.
I feel like he's about the same size as Bivol and matches better with him. Beterbiev is a no-go, though. He doesn't have anything to keep him off.

I agree, though, Benavidez's one path is at 168. He's not a LHW unless he does some radical conditioning, and even then, he doesn't have the natural power to deter guys.

He did not look impressive at all. Punches looked flat. Gvozdyk was walking through everything and shrugged off punches.
I agree with everything but Bivol. Bivol will dice him like a sous chef training newbies.
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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One of Tank's best wins to date. I hope he steps in with Shakur Stevenson, Lomachenko or Teofimo Lopez next.

If it's Haney that'll be a good fight too. He's been very protected, but he's a good fighter. I think at this point it's time to make it happen.
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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tank would do nasty things to haney\s chin
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:52
Mexi-Box wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:49
ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:42

Damned fine win for Benavidez, as well as a damned good performance by Gvozdyk, but let’s be honest, Gvozdyk after the long layoff and three can 2023 is not Beterbiev or Bivol. Benavidez best path is to go back and fight Canelo and wait out the Russians. He can’t beat them at this moment. They are both too big, strong, gifted, and skilled at this point. Maybe in two years.
I feel like he's about the same size as Bivol and matches better with him. Beterbiev is a no-go, though. He doesn't have anything to keep him off.

I agree, though, Benavidez's one path is at 168. He's not a LHW unless he does some radical conditioning, and even then, he doesn't have the natural power to deter guys.

He did not look impressive at all. Punches looked flat. Gvozdyk was walking through everything and shrugged off punches.
I agree with everything but Bivol. Bivol will dice him like a sous chef training newbies.
Yeah, not saying he beats Bivol, but I think he has a better chance against him than Beterbiev, which is like 0% against Beterbiev.
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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Mexi-Box wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:56
ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:52
Mexi-Box wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:49

I feel like he's about the same size as Bivol and matches better with him. Beterbiev is a no-go, though. He doesn't have anything to keep him off.

I agree, though, Benavidez's one path is at 168. He's not a LHW unless he does some radical conditioning, and even then, he doesn't have the natural power to deter guys.

He did not look impressive at all. Punches looked flat. Gvozdyk was walking through everything and shrugged off punches.
I agree with everything but Bivol. Bivol will dice him like a sous chef training newbies.
Yeah, not saying he beats Bivol, but I think he has a better chance against him than Beterbiev, which is like 0% against Beterbiev.
True.
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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gilgamesh wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:54 One of Tank's best wins to date. I hope he steps in with Shakur Stevenson, Lomachenko or Teofimo Lopez next.

If it's Haney that'll be a good fight too. He's been very protected, but he's a good fighter. I think at this point it's time to make it happen.
I just want someone to get Shakur the hell out of the picture. While Haney's grabbing style wasn't ideal either, he was 1000×s more entertaining.

Tank and Lomachenko both beat him so old man Arum needs to give him up to either.

Dude runs around like he's not poison for entertainment and this sport.
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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did dave moretti give benavidez a 10-8 round?? lol really weird if so
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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margaret thatcher wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 04:13 did dave moretti give benavidez a 10-8 round?? lol really weird if so
:oo Not possible, is it?
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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his card says 117-110 here, so mustve been a 10-8, even though there was no round close to being that dominant. unless it is listed incorrectly
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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By the middle rounds it looked over as a competitive bout.
Gvozdyk has a good chin and was in great shape, his skills are fairly sound for his age but it was a bit predictable and there was very little firepower in his shots.
Benavidez looked quite good, it must have been frustrating not being able to put Gvozdyk away, but he should remember Gvozdyk's reputation as a sound boxer with a good chin so it was always going to be a job getting him out of there.
Fight itself overall, didn't live up to expectations at least not mine, but it was ok.
Benavidez off of that looks like he can hang with the Light Heavyweights and is sure to cause a ruckus at 175 now.
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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Mexi-Box wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:49
ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:42
igor king wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:35
He was just fighting one of the best at the weight class who was just unfortunate to get under Beterbiev truck too early.

Gvozdyk is an Olympic medalist and has a KO win against Stevenson on his resume.
Damned fine win for Benavidez, as well as a damned good performance by Gvozdyk, but let’s be honest, Gvozdyk after the long layoff and three can 2023 is not Beterbiev or Bivol. Benavidez best path is to go back and fight Canelo and wait out the Russians. He can’t beat them at this moment. They are both too big, strong, gifted, and skilled at this point. Maybe in two years.
I feel like he's about the same size as Bivol and matches better with him. Beterbiev is a no-go, though. He doesn't have anything to keep him off.

I agree, though, Benavidez's one path is at 168. He's not a LHW unless he does some radical conditioning, and even then, he doesn't have the natural power to deter guys.

He did not look impressive at all. Punches looked flat. Gvozdyk was walking through everything and shrugged off punches.
If Beterbiev is still the same, he will do the same with Bivol what he did to Gvozdyk.
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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igor king wrote: 17 Jun 2024, 09:59
Mexi-Box wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:49
ironbeard wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:42

Damned fine win for Benavidez, as well as a damned good performance by Gvozdyk, but let’s be honest, Gvozdyk after the long layoff and three can 2023 is not Beterbiev or Bivol. Benavidez best path is to go back and fight Canelo and wait out the Russians. He can’t beat them at this moment. They are both too big, strong, gifted, and skilled at this point. Maybe in two years.
I feel like he's about the same size as Bivol and matches better with him. Beterbiev is a no-go, though. He doesn't have anything to keep him off.

I agree, though, Benavidez's one path is at 168. He's not a LHW unless he does some radical conditioning, and even then, he doesn't have the natural power to deter guys.

He did not look impressive at all. Punches looked flat. Gvozdyk was walking through everything and shrugged off punches.
If Beterbiev is still the same, he will do the same with Bivol what he did to Gvozdyk.
None of us are the same as we were five years ago. However, given what Beterbiev did to Callum Smith, I must favor him v Bivol, if he is healthy. But, not by much.
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Re: RBR: Benavidez v Gvozdyk / Tank v Martin

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CaptainSpacerod wrote: 16 Jun 2024, 00:20 Lethal finish

Needs to fight someone with the pop to deter him just walking forward not worried about what’s coming back.

Does Shakur hit hard enough to keep him off
No, but his defense and efficiency could be good enough to outbox Tank for 12 rounds.
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