BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Usyk vs. Fury II

[margaret thatcher]

ruthy does it by the mode doesnt he? 1st had far more votes than any number so one more vote wouldnt have made a difference

tbh im not too arsed about fury being at 1 for now, ddd has better last year but fury did vastly better vs usyk and i think showed much more to him even at this stage. i will vote the dubs-parker winner ahead, that's only a month away

[Ruthless-RKO]

ruthy does it by the mode doesnt he? 2nd had far more votes than any number so one more vote wouldnt have made a difference

Average?

I have it as:
2nd - 9
3rd - 1
4th - 1
5th - 4
6th - 1
7th - 1

Total was 17 votes. Would have been very close to dropping actually.

[margaret thatcher]

2x9 = 18
3x1 = 3
4x1 =4
5x4 = 20
6x1 = 6
7x1 = 7

= 58

58 divided by 17 = 3,4

[joshj909]

2x9 = 18
3x1 = 3
4x1 =4
5x4 = 20
6x1 = 6
7x1 = 7

= 58

17 divided by 58 = 2.9

i guess you dont round up/down?

9 voted 2nd and 8 voted 3rd or lower so majority, unfortunately, wanted to keep him there by a small margins. I think Dag originally used Median and that's how it's continued.

[margaret thatcher]

reworked those numbers

ruthy says he does the average vote, which means adding up all the numbers and then dividing by how many numbers there are. so if you add up all the votes and divide by the total votes, you get 3.4

[Ruthless-RKO]

2x9 = 18
3x1 = 3
4x1 =4
5x4 = 20
6x1 = 6
7x1 = 7

= 58

17 divided by 58 = 2.9

i guess you dont round up/down?

Have absolutely no idea what calculations you've done there but 9 voted 2nd and 8 voted 3rd or lower so majority, unfortunately, wanted to keep him there by a small margins .

What Maggie done is how I used to calculate it.

But there was barely any movements at times, so I stopped that way.

Tbh, there’s plenty of ways to work it out and would show different results nearly.

[joshj909]

reworked those numbers

ruthy says he does the average vote, which means adding up all the numbers and then dividing by how many numbers there are. so if you add up all the votes and divide by the total votes, you get 3.4

Median, not mean.

[margaret thatcher]

well that means ruthy doesnt use the average as he says he does then

even using median, it would have just ended with 2 and 3 being the middle numbers, getting 2.5. so at most if you round that up to 3 fury just woulda fell 1 spot max

[joshj909]

Quick question, is this decided by the median or the mode?

by the median, of course.

[joshj909]

well that means ruthy doesnt use the average as he says he does then

even using median, it would have just ended with 2 and 3 being the middle numbers, getting 2.5. so at most if you round that up to 3 fury just woulda fell 1 spot max

Median here would give you 2? There's 17 votes. 9 of which give you 2nd which is over half of them.

[margaret thatcher]

i know, im saying if another person voted fury down, as finkel is lamenting didnt happen, at most fury woulda simply fell 1 spot. possibly none at all if ruthy doesnt round 2.5 up to 3

[joshj909]

i know, im saying if another person voted fury down, as finkel is lamenting didnt happen, at most fury woulda simply fell 1 spot. possibly none at all if ruthy doesnt round 2.5 up to 3

Oh, yeah. Agreed.bi think a median/mode combination for grouped data works best. Mean creates a number nobody voted for when the numbers are more wide spread than these are.

[Ruthless-RKO]

well that means ruthy doesnt use the average as he says he does then

even using median, it would have just ended with 2 and 3 being the middle numbers, getting 2.5. so at most if you round that up to 3 fury just woulda fell 1 spot max

Median here would give you 2? There's 17 votes. 9 of which give you 2nd which is over half of them.

This is how I worked it..

I did used to do all them calculations Maggie did before

[margaret thatcher]

dubois-parker winner should get over fury next vote anyway i figure, barring some sort of letdown finish

[Ruthless-RKO]

dubois-parker winner should get over fury next vote anyway i figure, barring some sort of letdown finish

Even Zhang-Kabayel winner should overtake too

[joshj909]

dubois-parker winner should get over fury next vote anyway i figure, barring some sort of letdown finish

Even Zhang-Kabayel winner should overtake too

And the Parker/Dubois loser

[gregregegg]

well that means ruthy doesnt use the average as he says he does then

even using median, it would have just ended with 2 and 3 being the middle numbers, getting 2.5. so at most if you round that up to 3 fury just woulda fell 1 spot max

Median here would give you 2? There's 17 votes. 9 of which give you 2nd which is over half of them.

This is how I worked it..

I did used to do all them calculations Maggie did before

I do think median is the best way to do it… and really we should normally have a more normal distribution and it work better. I don’t think it’s done a great job this time but this is a pretty odd data set and no one stats method will always work perfect.

Mode clearly dosent work… I think everyone can make up a set of numbers and realise that.

Mean can work, but it encourages people to vote to the extremes rather than to vote what they actually think…

[Finkel]

ruthy does it by the mode doesnt he? 2nd had far more votes than any number so one more vote wouldnt have made a difference

Average?

I have it as:
2nd - 9
3rd - 1
4th - 1
5th - 4
6th - 1
7th - 1

Total was 17 votes. Would have been very close to dropping actually.

I have counted this a few times, and there seems to be only 8 votes for Fury at 2nd.

I can't tell if Tiny_acre's agreement with someone's opinion about Fury during the back-and-forth is being counted as a vote for #2, as he didn't actually vote. Based on that, shouldn't the median have him at 3?

[Finkel]

well that means ruthy doesnt use the average as he says he does then

even using median, it would have just ended with 2 and 3 being the middle numbers, getting 2.5. so at most if you round that up to 3 fury just woulda fell 1 spot max

Ruthless-RKO - no change = Fury #2
joshj909 = Usyk #1 Fury #4
DrDuke = no change = Fury #2
ewenhay = no change = Fury #2
Perkin Warbeck = Usyk #1 Fury #5
KiwiRider = "Fury stays where he is." = Fury #2
Contendeh = No change = Fury #2
gregregegg = Fury #4
CmCanavessi = No change = Fury #2
Belanio = Usyk #1 Fury #7
Finkel = Usyk #1 Fury #5
Cyclops = No change = Fury #2
BroughtonRulesRefuge = Fury #6
Simon Lock = No change = Fury #2
Heretic = Usyk #champ Fury #3
Keithmoon = Usyk #champ Fury #5

"vote is over"

Tiny acres "Yes Fury lost both fights but no one else has done enough to unseat him as the number 2 heavyweight"
pound per pound "Take out the broom for many of these guys."
margaret thatcher "meanwhile in just the last year dubs has beat aj, hrg, and miller..."


So here was the corrected tally:

#2 = 8 posters
#3 = 1 poster
#4 = 2 posters
#5 = 3 posters
#6 = 1 poster
#7 = 1 poster
non-votes = 3 posters

mode = #2, median = #2.5, mean = 3.44, range = 5

margaret thatcher "tbh im not too arsed about fury being at 1 for now, ddd has better last year but fury did vastly better vs usyk and i think showed much more to him even at this stage. i will vote the dubs-parker winner ahead, that's only a month away"
= +1 vote for Fury #1 (hot take! )

mode = #2, median = #2, mean = 2.65, range = 6

[Finkel]

ruthy does it by the mode doesnt he? 1st had far more votes than any number so one more vote wouldnt have made a difference

tbh im not too arsed about fury being at 1 for now, ddd has better last year but fury did vastly better vs usyk and i think showed much more to him even at this stage. i will vote the dubs-parker winner ahead, that's only a month away

my issue is that Fury tends to get far too much leeway from his fans. Whenever he underperforms, it always gets handwaved away as "Fury only turns up for the big fights".

He looks shocking against Wallin. Oh, well that's because Wallin wasn't really a threat.
Well, he looked pretty shocking in Fury v Wilder 3. Oh, well that's because he wasn't really motivated for that one.
Well, Ngannou had the eyes of the world on him, so it's a big fight. Well, no, that wasn't really a fight, so Fury just wasn't motivated.
Well, he just got saved by the referee against Usyk. Well, he actually got through all 12 rounds, so the referee was correct to break the rules by helping Fury back to his corner and obstructing Usyk.
Okay, well he just got beaten cleanly a second time by near a 38-year-old Usyk. Yeah, but that's Usyk...so you know, if anything it's more like a win for Fury

like what is this?

[joshj909]

well that means ruthy doesnt use the average as he says he does then

even using median, it would have just ended with 2 and 3 being the middle numbers, getting 2.5. so at most if you round that up to 3 fury just woulda fell 1 spot max

Ruthless-RKO - no change = Fury #2
joshj909 = Usyk #1 Fury #4
DrDuke = no change = Fury #2
ewenhay = no change = Fury #2
Perkin Warbeck = Usyk #1 Fury #5
KiwiRider = "Fury stays where he is." = Fury #2
Contendeh = No change = Fury #2
gregregegg = Fury #4
CmCanavessi = No change = Fury #2
Belanio = Usyk #1 Fury #7
Finkel = Usyk #1 Fury #5
Cyclops = No change = Fury #2
BroughtonRulesRefuge = Fury #6
Simon Lock = No change = Fury #2
Heretic = Usyk #champ Fury #3
Keithmoon = Usyk #champ Fury #5

"vote is over"

Tiny acres "Yes Fury lost both fights but no one else has done enough to unseat him as the number 2 heavyweight"
pound per pound "Take out the broom for many of these guys."
margaret thatcher "meanwhile in just the last year dubs has beat aj, hrg, and miller..."


So here was the corrected tally:

#2 = 8 posters
#3 = 1 poster
#4 = 2 posters
#5 = 3 posters
#6 = 1 poster
#7 = 1 poster
non-votes = 3 posters

mode = #2, median = #2.5, mean = 3.44, range = 5

margaret thatcher "tbh im not too arsed about fury being at 1 for now, ddd has better last year but fury did vastly better vs usyk and i think showed much more to him even at this stage. i will vote the dubs-parker winner ahead, that's only a month away"
= +1 vote for Fury #1 (hot take! )

mode = #2, median = #2, mean = 2.65, range = 6

I took tiny_acres post to mean the same as no change. Clearly suggests he should be number 2. That's my unbiased opinion as I voted him way down at 4.

[joshj909]

ruthy does it by the mode doesnt he? 1st had far more votes than any number so one more vote wouldnt have made a difference

tbh im not too arsed about fury being at 1 for now, ddd has better last year but fury did vastly better vs usyk and i think showed much more to him even at this stage. i will vote the dubs-parker winner ahead, that's only a month away

my issue is that Fury tends to get far too much leeway from his fans. Whenever he underperforms, it always gets handwaved away as "Fury only turns up for the big fights".

He looks shocking against Wallin. Oh, well that's because Wallin wasn't really a threat.
Well, he looked pretty shocking in Fury v Wilder 3. Oh, well that's because he wasn't really motivated for that one.
Well, Ngannou had the eyes of the world on him, so it's a big fight. Well, no, that wasn't really a fight, so Fury just wasn't motivated.
Well, he just got saved by the referee against Usyk. Well, he actually got through all 12 rounds, so the referee was correct to break the rules by helping Fury back to his corner and obstructing Usyk.
Okay, well he just got beaten cleanly a second time by near a 38-year-old Usyk. Yeah, but that's Usyk...so you know, if anything it's more like a win for Fury

like what is this?

There's also the "Fury looked better against Usyk than AJ or Dubois did". Yet AJ looked better against Ngannou than Fury did. Parker looked better than Fury against Wilder. AJ looked better than Fury against Wallin. Dubois also had the balls to face AJ whereas Fury didn't. They pick and choose when to choose certain arguments depending on what they ultimately want to believe.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I took tiny_acres post to mean the same as no change. Clearly suggests he should be number 2. That's my unbiased opinion as I voted him way down at 4.

Same

I mean i do say, debate it and make a comment, but please make it easy to count by simply putting

Fury to #4

or

Fury - no change

Fury remain #2

Just makes it easy then to tally up

[Cyclops]

Is Fury out now that he’s retired?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Is Fury out now that he’s retired?

Not yet. We gonna hang fire.

Fury retires every 2 years.. so.. lets see.