What are True Crossroads Fights?

[gilgamesh]

Tua v Oquendo Tyson v Ruddock. Lewis Holyfield 1.

Tua vs Oquendo maybe.

Tyson vs Ruddock wasn't a crossroads fight in either case. Hell Ruddock briefly became a bigger star than he'd ever been just for putting up 2 really good fights against Tyson even though he lost both bouts.

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Ryan Garcia vs. Luke Campbell today.

[Wee Tommy]

Ryan Garcia vs. Luke Campbell today.

Yes

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Vergil Ortiz vs. Egidijus Kavaliauskas is another coming up

[Bodyshot3]

I like this thread and have been trying to give it some more thought.
Mason v Lewis I have mentioned but there's also a few others.

I might also go for Benn v Doug DeWitt.
DeWitt had been through heaps of wars and Benn had been dramatically cut down to size by Mike Watson.
Someone was kicking-on to bigger things and someone was going to become a B-Side fighter with a long road back.

Definitely a vital fight for Benn - another stoppage loss would have burst his bubble - but also for Doug who had been to hell and back to get himself that WBO title. DeWitt winning would have paved the way to some big fights.

Hatton v Magee feels like another of note,
The Hitman got a "WBU" title fight that felt like the acid test the old Euro/Brit/Commonwealth match-up used to be.
Magee would have gone through the roof in Northern Ireland if he had pulled-off a win.

[funso banjo baby]

Minter v Sibson.

Lewis v mason

Frank Fletcher v Wilford Scypion

does Cooney v Michael Spinks count as a crossroads fight? linear title completely eclipsed by Tyson at the time.

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Minter v Sibson.

Lewis v mason

Frank Fletcher v Wilford Scypion

does Cooney v Michael Spinks count as a crossroads fight? linear title completely eclipsed by Tyson at the time.

Cheers Funso
I thought that I was yapping at the garage wall with Lewis-Mason but it was a huge crossroad fight at the time.

Nobody was quite sure whether this big Canadian-Brit with an Olympic Gold was actually the real deal.
He was a comparatively late-starter and Maloney-Eliades were not a big outfit then with much clout.

A defeat at this juncture would have been very bad news for Lennox. He needed fans, momentum a test and some titles.

But it was huge for British champ Mason as well.

Gary had the wins - he was a flattering 35-0 - but not many of them were top drawer and a good percentage were against so-so folk as he marked time in Bruno's shadow. Lewis was the acid test Gary badly needed.

Lewis won and duly kicked-on and reached stellar heights.
Mason would fight just twice more and then it was over.

[Caractacus]

Gerry Cooney vrs Jimmy Young

[HomicideHenry]

When I think of the word crossroads I think of two guys who are damaged goods, essentially, and this is their last opportunity--- to turn things around or their last chance at the big time.

Ezzard Charles vs Bob Satterfield is one that comes to mind. Satterfield never again got close to the heavyweight title after that. Charles ended up getting back to back shots at Marciano and the damage he received ultimately ruined him.

[Klee Gluckman]

RE Lewis-Holyfield

If Lewis lost that 1st fight, his previous legacy could have been lost.

Until he beat Holyfield, he had won a vacant title of Ruddock and defended against Tucker and Bruno, Tyson has already achieved all of that.

Then he regains the title after Tyson is stripped, he beats Oliver Mccall who had lost to Bruno, then fights Golotta who is coming of two losses. He does not have any victory at this point that says he is the man.

If Lewis lost the first Holyfield fight he would be seen as a belt holder.

[elmersalsa]

Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton II

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[Ambling Alp II]

Ken Norton vs Jerry Quarry, 1975.

This was a true cross-roads fight for both guys. Each had been a top contender for a while, and both were still ranked in the top six or seven worldwide. However, each guy had suffered a devastating KO defeat in the recent past. So this fight was going to ensure that the winner would remain a top contender, and that the loser would drop to the fringe of the world ratings.

As matters turned out, Norton was a decisive TKO winner. The victory put Kenny back in the top three, and set him up for a rubber match with Ali. As for Quarry, the defeat meant he had no real future in boxing except as an opponent, so he wisely chose the moment to retire.

This is a great example. Each guy had some success in the past, but had recently had setbacks. That is is what I always considered a crossroads fight to be: a must-win for both guys.

You can tell it was important if you look at both what happened (Norton was back in the picture and Quarry was all but done) and what would have happened if the fight goes the other way. If Quarry won, he would have been back in the mix, and Norton's stock would have went way down.

[franciscojavier]

Some that come to mind for me:

Donaire Vs. Darchinyan 2
Mayorga Vs. Vargas
Jones Vs. Trinidad
Pascal Vs. Bute

Nobody thinks of Gatti-Ward this way nowadays because of the trilogy so insane, but the first fight was seen in the lead-up to it as a crossroads fight. Gatti was seen as a washed up former 130 pound champion who lost too much from all the wars he was in and got beat bad at 135 and 147, and Ward was seen as a past-it 140 pound contender whose best days were behind him. Very cliche to say but I don’t think anybody could’ve imagined that first fight turning out the way it did.

[jaouad]

Ray Mercer vs. Evander Holyfield
Ray Mercer vs. Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier vs. Joe Bugner
Earnie Shavers vs. Ken Norton

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Loma-Kambosos this weekend

[bennie]

Foreman-Frazier in Kingston.

[Andy]

I knew Bennie would be in on the Crossroads thread

[Expug]

Good topic. I like the Magee -Hatton example previously mentioned in this thread. Lots of other good ones. Could you say that Hagler sought out crossroad type fights by insisting on taking on the best Philly middleweights of the 70’s ? Watts, Monroe, Briscoe, cyclone Hart. Seems as if he went out of his way to fight what he called “ the Iron”. He was up and coming. Risky proposition going into those guys back yard. Not to mention they were tougher than a nickel steak. For the Philly middleweights, it was best this up and comer or maybe take a step back on the ladder.

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Ray Mercer vs. Evander Holyfield
Ray Mercer vs. Lennox Lewis
Joe Frazier vs. Joe Bugner
Earnie Shavers vs. Ken Norton

Those are some good examples. You can always tell if it's a good example if you consider how differently things would have been had the winner of the fighter had been the loser and vice versa.
Imagine if Mercer would have beaten Lewis. Both desperately needed the win. If Lewis loses, his all-time standing would have gone down considerably. He may never have had big $ fights with Holyfield and Tyson.
On the other hand, Mercer was pretty much out of the big time after this loss. A win over Lewis on Mercer's record would make people think more highly of him.
If the judges were not so friendly towards Lewis, boxing history would have much different.

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I was reading Teddy Atlas's autobiography.(published 2006)
pp 80-81
He mentions a real(amateur) crossroads fight for Mike Tyson.
It was only Tyson's 5th amateur fight and he came real close to quiting.
It was in Scranton PA.
Tyson knocked the dude down 3 times
in the first round, but the big dude just kept on getting back up
and Tyson came back to the corner almost exhausted.
Tyson went out for the second round, knocked the dude down 2 more times
but he got back up again.
according to Atlas, Tyson had said when he came back to the corner "I'm going to quit",
but Atlas had convinced him to go back out for the third round.
In the 3rd round both were pummeling one another,
and with just 20 seconds left Atlas knew by Tyson's expression and body language that he was going to quit,
but Atlas jumped on the ring apron (with the possibility of being disqualified)
and yelled at tyson, "Don't YOU DARE !,DON'T YOU DARE !
Tyson made it to the last bell, won it and after the bout told Teddy Atlas "Thanks".

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Davey Moore vs Wilfred Benitez
Mustapha Hamsho vs Wilfred Benitez

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I think that Jimmy Braddock had a lot of those Crossroads Fights in his career.

[Expug]

I think that Jimmy Braddock had a lot of those Crossroads Fights in his career.

Definitely. And , I would say the biggest one was when he beat John Henry Lewis.

[elmersalsa]

How about Gene Tunney vs Georges Carpentier? That looks like a totally crossroads fight to me.