Rocky Marciano vs. Ted Lowry

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

It is an open secret that Ted had the handcuffs on.

thats just pure speculation. sam silverman actually brought tiger ted lowry in to beat rocky because silverman was sick of al weill. they WANTED lowry to beat marciano.


if lowry had the handcuffs on vs marciano, were gonna have to see some very good sources.



saying lowry had the cuffs on vs marciano is as ridiculous as me saying marciano had the cuffs on vs lowry

[Randineous]

a 1951-55 rocky marciano destroys tiger ted lowry

"I think Lowry would have gone the distance if we had fought a hundred times. I could never get used to his style of fighting." - Rocky Marciano (after his retirement)

Seeing as how you added a couple of quotes of Silverman's from Marciano's bio, Brock, I figured I'd add yet another quote from the book to the mix.

no problem. i disagree with marciano here. the 1949-50 marciano was nothing like the prime rocky marciano. marciano really improved from early 1950 to mid 1951. much more polished, much better use of left hook, much better defense, much more unpredictable.


a 51-52 marciano who now had a developed dangerous left hook would have a two fisted assualt that lowry wouldnt be able to stand up to. the 1949 marciano was all right hand crazy, way too predictable


i think marciano at his peak knocks out lowry

Marciano may have improved a small amount after the Lowry fights, but I personally don't see how you can say that "Marciano knocks him out" or "destroys" Lowry with such confidence, especially when the evidence suggests that that is much more likely not to happen...whether that be Lowry's style description (the defensive, skilled, cagey, very smart & experienced, spoiler type), the fact that they went the distance twice (and like someone else pointed out, the rematch was only a couple of months before 1951 began, and was in the time frame where you yourself said Marciano "really improved"), the fact that Marciano gave that quote about Lowry likely lasting with him every time, or going by Lowry's record of only being stopped a couple of times in such a lengthy career (great ratio for a .500 type fighter).

I'd say Marciano already had a "dangerous left hook" when he faced Lowry, at least in the rematch...I'm sure Carmine Vingo would agree with that, as well.

And Brockton, I'm just reading some earlier comments and you've emphasized a couple of times a point where you stated that Sam Silverman thought Marciano won the first fight...Where are you getting that opinion from?

I'm just asking, because if you're only going simply from the Marciano bio, it does not actually state that Silverman thought Marciano won the fight. That "body beating" might very well indicate that he thought Marciano won the fight, but...Well to tell you the truth, I've very often hear very, very similiar statements regarding the amount of punishment George Chuvalo did to Ali's body in their first fight, as I'm sure you have. But you and I both know that Ali won that fight via a very lopsided decision with Chuvalo only winning maybe two or three rounds...

"Chuvalo did such a number on Ali's body that it caused the champion to urinate blood after the fight."

That one abbreviated quote on its own might give someone the wrong idea of what happened in that Ali/Chuvalo fight, and may give you something to think about in regards to the first Marciano/Lowry one.

[barry]

Well due to the fact that Lowry was only stopped twice, once by the very, very hard hitting Lee Q. Murray and the other from a shot that he did not see, which that is the only way that I could see Marciano knocking out Lowry and in fact I could see Lowry giving marciano fits every time they were to fight...I don't think he could have beat Marciano, but I also don't think Marciano would have KO'd Lowry unless he just caught him. Lowry was a tough as nails fighter who fought most everyone including several very hard-hitting fighters!

[Controversial]

Rocky was only 26 the first time he fought Lowry. He was in his prime.

rocky was nowhere near his prime. he had just started training with charlie goldman and rocky had only 19 pro fights and only TWO years of proffesional experience , had virtually no amatuer experience. rocky was a far better fighter later on when goldman polished him up. this is not opinion its a fact.


rocky marcianos prime was unquestionably 1951-55


roland lastarza who fought rocky marciano in 1950 and 1953 said marciano was a far better and more improved fighter in 1953


a 1951-55 rocky marciano destroys tiger ted lowry



a 1949 rocky marciano in his prime? please.


rocky started boxing so late that by the time he reached his prime he wasd around 30 years old. too bad rocky never got to start boxing earlier and reach his prime at a younger age

As someone else stated, Rocky fought Layne only 8 months later and Louis 11 months later.....to say he wasn't the same fighter when he fought Lowry is just an easy excuse to make. Lowry was a very cagey fighter and gave Marciano all sorts of problems. I think the fact that Lowry appeared to hold back after almost stopping Marciano is very bizarre and in my opinion suggests there were something behind it.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

rocky improved DRAMATICALLY during those 8 months bewteen the lowry and layne fights under the tuteledge of charlie goldman. rocky really improved from 1950 to mid 1951

perhaps lowry would have always lasted with marciano......he had that style to do well vs marciano......but i think a prime marciano would clearly beat lowry. marciano won about 8 or 9 out of the 10 rounds in the rematch with lowry


lowry did not hold back vs marciano, thats plain hogwash. lowry tried his best.......marciano was just too much for him. even a raw green marciano nowhere near his best in 49.

[cosand]

I find it interesting that the best the Rocky haters can come up with is a fight that was close, sort of, well..maybe...some people say so anyway.


hey...did you hear ?
Joe Louis got knocked down in the first round by an ageing injured Jimmy Braddock, and just barely won a decision over Arturo Godoy !
Pretty suspect if you ask me !

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

i find it very unfair the way people are making outragous claims that lowry held back vs rocky.........trying to take away from rockys victory over tiger ted lowry

[Pickle]

I think the first Marciano-Lowry fight should be declared a no contest.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

I think the first Marciano-Lowry fight should be declared a no contest.

i think you should be banned from this site for that ridiculous comment

[Pickle]

Why is it a ridiculous comment? After the 4th round, it was obvious Lowry wasn't giving his best effort. The referee should have disqualified him after the first warning. Marciano would still be undefeated.

[Collins2000]

yea, but give rocky victory

Any news on those missing Marciano fights that took place in Brazil?

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

Why is it a ridiculous comment? After the 4th round, it was obvious Lowry wasn't giving his best effort. The referee should have disqualified him after the first warning. Marciano would still be undefeated.

lowry fought the best possible fight he could vs a raw marciano in 1949.......marcianos body attack , pressure, power were just too much for lowry. lowry fought to survive......he didnt do enough to win. he tried his best though.


if lowry had really not given his best effort and had the "cuffs" on......it defintley would spilled somewhere since lowry has been alive for the past 56 years since the fight happened!!!!!!

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

where to find him brockton guy/

perhaps in cuba where those hidden marciano vs valdez bouts took place