Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran 3 - April 1981

[elmersalsa]

So Don King thought it would be in his best financial interest to screw over his fighter to help out Ray Leonard whom he did not promote?

A business move that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, that'll fool 'em all that's for sure.

The heart is wicked and corrupt. Who knows it? Carlos Eleta and Don King, Roberto Duran's promoter since 1975 didn't protect their greatest possession.

The role of a manager is to protect and give his fighter the best deal possible to succeed. Not to fail. Eleta thought, "I better grab this $8 million dollars and then, there would be much more money for the third fight". That's what he probably thought and agreed with the Sugar Ray Leonard camp.

Probably, the Leonard camp promised Eleta a third fight by putting his fighter in disadvantage. It's a DIRTY BUSINESS. A DIRTY FIX. Folks.

[elmersalsa]

All I can say was that Sugar Ray Leonard's camp had a BEAUTIFUL STRATEGY. Bait Roberto Duran's manager by giving him an offer that he wasn't going to refuse.

Carlos Eleta, the greedy manager, never saw that type of money in boxing. He never considered nor consulted his champion about the deals.

He knew that his fighter wasn't going to be able to be ready in a short time. He knew it. He knows his fighter celebrates big between fights.

Mike Trainer and Don King left Panama City with a broad smile. And the fight was won way before the opening bell as soon as Eleta signed the dotted line of betrayal. Eight million was a lot money then. And it's a lot of money now. Never in the history of boxing, a fix has been done like that and it will never be done again.

That's all what that No Mas was about. It was set for Leonard to succeed and for Duran to fail.

It was ruined by Roberto Duran quitting.

Eleta fuucked over Roberto Duran because of greediness and betrayal.

[goose 5]

Eleta was worth several hundred million dollars- a billionaire in today's money. If he was in for half of Duran's take- and I'm not sure if he was getting half- we're talking about 14 mil in today's money. That's a lot, but it ain't gonna fluster a guy of Eleta's wealth. I don't see greed as motivating Eleta to agree to the date of the rematch with Leonard.

[goose 5]

UPI reported on September 25, 1980 that Duran had been training for "about 2 weeks" at Grossingers resort in New York for the Leonard rematch. On September 11, 1980. Mike Trainer was quoted as stating that Eleta agreed verbally to a Leonard rematch " about one month ago."

[elmersalsa]

Eleta was worth several hundred million dollars- a billionaire in today's money. If he was in for half of Duran's take- and I'm not sure if he was getting half- we're talking about 14 mil in today's money. That's a lot, but it ain't gonna fluster a guy of Eleta's wealth. I don't see greed as motivating Eleta to agree to the date of the rematch with Leonard.

You never know what happened behind those scary. Everything about that No Mas fiasco was creepy. And wicked.

[Ambling Alp II]

Too bad that the inferior fighter wimped out and cheated paying customers out of their money. But it was a great performance by Leonard.

[gilgamesh]

UPI reported on September 25, 1980 that Duran had been training for "about 2 weeks" at Grossingers resort in New York for the Leonard rematch. On September 11, 1980. Mike Trainer was quoted as stating that Eleta agreed verbally to a Leonard rematch " about one month ago."

By my calculations that would mean Duran had known about the rematch for about 6 weeks prior to the fight itself right?

[elmersalsa]

Too bad that the inferior fighter wimped out and cheated paying customers out of their money. But it was a great performance by Leonard.

You gotta thank his manager for signing the dotted line of betrayal, too. Give Duran's manager credit for Sugar Ray to look great!

[elmersalsa]

UPI reported on September 25, 1980 that Duran had been training for "about 2 weeks" at Grossingers resort in New York for the Leonard rematch. On September 11, 1980. Mike Trainer was quoted as stating that Eleta agreed verbally to a Leonard rematch " about one month ago."

By my calculations that would mean Duran had known about the rematch for about 6 weeks prior to the fight itself right?

Nope.

[Ambling Alp II]

I think it was the day before.
Yes, the fight was officially announced on October 3, and took place on November 25. Which is 6 weeks before the fight. True a fighter and his camp knows about an upcoming fight well before the official announcement date. However, somehow Duran had no clue.

In fact, Duran had no clue that the rematch was going to happen until the day before the fight. Even though every boxing fan knew about it. He didn't train at all. Plus Duran had to lose 40 pounds in one day.

[goose 5]

According to Eleta, Duran was 183 pounds when he started training during the second week of September.

[gilgamesh]

According to Eleta, Duran was 183 pounds when he started training during the second week of September.

So that's 2 and a half months of training time. Otherwise known as a full training camp.

[keithmoonhangover]

I think it was the day before.
Yes, the fight was officially announced on October 3, and took place on November 25. Which is 6 weeks before the fight. True a fighter and his camp knows about an upcoming fight well before the official announcement date. However, somehow Duran had no clue.

In fact, Duran had no clue that the rematch was going to happen until the day before the fight. Even though every boxing fan knew about it. He didn't train at all. Plus Duran had to lose 40 pounds in one day.

I heard it was the morning of the fight and Eleta said, "Roberto, wake up, we have to get to New Orleans ASAP. Oh and bring your shorts.

[elmersalsa]

According to Eleta, Duran was 183 pounds when he started training during the second week of September.

So that's 2 and a half months of training time. Otherwise known as a full training camp.

Even at that, Roberto Duran couldn't lose weight. Ray Arcel was witness of it. Both of them informed Carlos Eleta, Duran's manager, what was happening. Duran couldn't make the weight.

They called promoter Don King, Duran's promoter since 1975, and he declined Duran's camp request for an extension? Why? He was the champion, ain't he?

If Sugar Ray Leonard was the champion, they would have given him time to train. With no problems.

It was a conspiracy as wicked as the fiasco went. It was all set up for Duran to fail. They wanted a trilogy that was making them money. A Duran's victory and the trilogy is off. That's what happened.

If it wasn't like I told you, then why Mike Trainer, Leonard's manager, and Don King, Duran's promoter, flew to Panama City in desperation at a hush-hush matter?

Why they gave the greedy Eleta $8 million dollars?
Why Eleta didn't consult his champion?
Why Duran wasn't even around in the negotiations?

NOBODY in here can answer it because it doesn't fit their own agenda. America gotta be the greatest at any cost. At any way possible.

Well, they got what they wanted. They baited Eleta and Eleta BETRAYED Duran. Simple as that. Whoever doesn't like what I am writing, oh, well! Deal with it. But, it was a shrewd, ugly and wicked dirty fix and plot to get the title back to America. It was on uneven terms altogether. Definitely not as the first fight when both were at even terms.

Duran got hoodwinked, betrayed and dissed every way possible. It was UNACCEPTABLE for him to win again. Unacceptable!

[gilgamesh]

So now Duran couldn't win the fight because he was too fat, and just couldn't get less fat in time because of how fat he was....and that's someone else's fault

Nobody is offended at your opinion elmer. It's just pathetic.

It's pathetic to always need to make excuses and find someone else to blame for your own mistakes. It's even more bizarre to feel the need to do that for someone else's mistakes.

[elmersalsa]

So now Duran couldn't win the fight because he was too fat, and just couldn't get less fat in time because of how fat he was....and that's someone else's fault

Nobody is offended at your opinion elmer. It's just pathetic.

It's pathetic to always need to make excuses and find someone else to blame for your own mistakes. It's even more bizarre to feel the need to do that for someone else's mistakes.

You don't want to admit that Roberto Duran got betrayed. America Got to be the Greatest. Ask the Russians about it in the "moon landings" of 1969.

Two months is not enough time to prepare for a big fight especially if you're not active in the ring.

When Duran and Sugar Ray fought the first time, both were active. Both were scheduled at the same time. And both trained for the biggest fight of their lives. Well, Roberto was better. He kicked Sugar Ray's azz. That's all it was to it.

Was it acceptable for the American boxing media? Not one bit. Something got to be done. And the BEAUTIFUL STRATEGY happened. Let's get this son of a bitch in party mode and put a date that we know he is not going to be able to get ready.

And also, let's bait his manager. The greedy Carlos Eleta who fuucked his own fighter.

[Ambling Alp II]

Yes, the moon landing that you somehow don't believe happened. 400,000 people had a role in the moon landing but every single one of them has been able to keep the secret for the last 56 years.

Is that more ridiculous than the pathetically lame excuses for Duran losing to Leonard?

That is really a tough call.

[elmersalsa]

Yes, the moon landing that you somehow don't believe happened. 400,000 people had a role in the moon landing but every single one of them has been able to keep the secret for the last 56 years.

Is that more ridiculous than the pathetically lame excuses for Duran losing to Leonard?

That is really a tough call.

We never went to the Moon, brother. Think about it. I know that you are intelligent. Don't get into the hype that "America Got to be the Greatest" .......It was a fallacy .

[gilgamesh]

Yes, the moon landing that you somehow don't believe happened. 400,000 people had a role in the moon landing but every single one of them has been able to keep the secret for the last 56 years.

Is that more ridiculous than the pathetically lame excuses for Duran losing to Leonard?

That is really a tough call.

We never went to the Moon, brother. Think about it. I know that you are intelligent. Don't get into the hype that "America Got to be the Greatest" .......It was a fallacy .

Nobody except you keeps up with this "America got to be the greatest" bullsh*t.

You sound like a complete idiot. You don't even address anybody's point when they make one. You just start back over at the beginning as if you can't read or understand what you've read.

[keithmoonhangover]

Why they gave the greedy Eleta $8 million dollars?

Eleta took the whole purse?

[elmersalsa]

Yes, the moon landing that you somehow don't believe happened. 400,000 people had a role in the moon landing but every single one of them has been able to keep the secret for the last 56 years.

Is that more ridiculous than the pathetically lame excuses for Duran losing to Leonard?

That is really a tough call.

We never went to the Moon, brother. Think about it. I know that you are intelligent. Don't get into the hype that "America Got to be the Greatest" .......It was a fallacy .

Nobody except you keeps up with this "America got to be the greatest" bullsh*t.

You sound like a complete idiot. You don't even address anybody's point when they make one. You just start back over at the beginning as if you can't read or understand what you've read.

Guys like you are so fuucked up that doesn't recognize evil nor good. You're as wicked as the Children of Cain.

Maybe you don't understand American philosophy and politics. It got you very blind.

America got to be the Greatest
America got to be the Greatest
America got to be the Greatest.

It's something that you will never understand, pussy hole!

[elmersalsa]

Why they gave the greedy Eleta $8 million dollars?

Eleta took the whole purse?

It was money that he never saw in 15 years as a professional manager before. Of course he didn't take it all. He has to divide it between he and his champion and the other handlers like Ray Arcel, Freddie Brown and Nestor Quiñones.

As long as he took 33% of the purse, he is alright. But, the greedy old bastard was so stupid that he could have gotten much more if he would have put Roberto Duran in the negotiations.

Carlos Eleta didn't do his job. Mike Trainer, Sugar Ray Leonard's manager, out managed him .....bad!

didn't do

[keithmoonhangover]

Why they gave the greedy Eleta $8 million dollars?

Eleta took the whole purse?

It was money that he never saw in 15 years as a professional manager before. Of course he didn't take it all. He has to divide it between he and his champion and the other handlers like Ray Arcel, Freddie Brown and Nestor Quiñones.

As long as he took 33% of the purse, he is alright. But, the greedy old bastard was so stupid that he could have gotten much more if he would have put Roberto Duran in the negotiations.

Carlos Eleta didn't do his job. Mike Trainer, Sugar Ray Leonard's manager, out managed him .....bad!

didn't do

So if Eleta forged Duran's signature on the contract, why did Roberto go through with the fight?

[elmersalsa]

Eleta took the whole purse?

It was money that he never saw in 15 years as a professional manager before. Of course he didn't take it all. He has to divide it between he and his champion and the other handlers like Ray Arcel, Freddie Brown and Nestor Quiñones.

As long as he took 33% of the purse, he is alright. But, the greedy old bastard was so stupid that he could have gotten much more if he would have put Roberto Duran in the negotiations.

Carlos Eleta didn't do his job. Mike Trainer, Sugar Ray Leonard's manager, out managed him .....bad!

didn't do

So if Eleta forged Duran's signature on the contract, why did Roberto go through with the fight?

You got to understand that it wasn't about sportsmanship but a dirty business deed. It was all designed for Sugar Ray Leonard to win: (ring enlarged, bait Roberto Duran's manager for $8 million, get him out of shape as most as possible and embarrass him just like he did to me and my wife and the whole American boxing media propaganda).

Duran had to fight or get sued by his own promoter, Don King. So, even King turned his back on him. How in the world, your own promoter since 1975, didn't give you a break to train at least one more month? Doesn't this alone ring your bell as a red flag?

Because money and greed was the issue here. Duran got to lose to make a third fight that would pay $20 million! Duran screwed it up by quitting. The plan didn't work for them. But, as long as Leonard got the title back, we are back in big business.

Another loss for Leonard against Duran in the rematch, and Leonard's career would be quite possibly over in a short time. So, the issue was that Sugar Ray got to win with the advantages given to him above.

Sugar Ray didn't need his manager to pay another $8 million dollars. It tainted his win because he knew that he didn't beat Duran. Duran beat himself by quitting. He quit not because he saw that Leonard was better. He quit because he couldn't keep up in an OFF NIGHT out of shape and his manager blatantly betrayed him when he could have gotten more of Duran was involved in the negotiating table.

The whole thing was WICKED and suspicious. It was dirty as fuuck.

[Ambling Alp II]

Wow.