Curry v Honeyghan 20yrs ago

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 27 Sep 2006, 17:23

lloyd's a true character and dresses accordingly. ive seen him at many a match here in london and always say a few words to him (he even replies most nights)
his hand problems were his undoing - you cant really operate to the max if your worried about the tools of your trade breaking in half at any given moment. how far do you think honey would have taken his career but for this handicap?

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 27 Sep 2006, 17:25

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
nickd wrote:Time flies! I can remember Honeyghan getting off his stool at the start of round 2 against Johnny Bumphus and clocking him while he was still in his corner. Can't believe this fight was 20 years ago!
Honeyghan's quote relating to that is one of my favourites ever.

"The bell went ding, I went dong!"

You think back, James. Lloyds first (and second) reigns brought loads of excitement to British Boxing. (Particularly in LOndon.)

His reign has turned out to be much more exciting than Hattons.

Ricky really has dissapointed in terms of big fights at home.

The only big time promoter in the country is FW, the rest are hopeless, and I mean HOPELESS.

E · Post by E » 27 Sep 2006, 18:37

KO Artist wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
nickd wrote:Time flies! I can remember Honeyghan getting off his stool at the start of round 2 against Johnny Bumphus and clocking him while he was still in his corner. Can't believe this fight was 20 years ago!
Honeyghan's quote relating to that is one of my favourites ever.

"The bell went ding, I went dong!"
You think back, James. Lloyds first (and second) reigns brought loads of excitement to British Boxing. (Particularly in LOndon.)

His reign has turned out to be much more exciting than Hattons.

Ricky really has dissapointed in terms of big fights at home.

The only big time promoter in the country is FW, the rest are hopeless, and I mean HOPELESS.

Honeyghan deserved more money and recognition than he got... but give Hatton a chance - he' s only been a champ for a year... and he still won 3 legit titles in that time.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 27 Sep 2006, 19:18

Really, did that happen with Bruno vs Witherspoon. It was eventually shown on the BBC? Did they do a proper show of it when it was finally shown. I can remember an interview with Curry before the fight.

I know Honeyghun vs Curry was shown on ITV, I always thought it was live but it was shown at a funny time cause it wasn't a big fight stateside. One of the strangest atmosphere for a world title fight from the TV.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 28 Sep 2006, 05:24

I remember the idiot announcer giving away the Bruno result too, but actualy thought it was on the ITV next day show of the 1st Tyson fight
( SKY showed it live with their first broadcast ) could have been the Spoon fight though..

After Lloyd won the title, he turned into a bit of a wild slugger, trying to blast everyone out. And with that style he was always going to struggle to beat Marlon Starling, who had a watertight defence and was a better boxer than Lloyd too.
That fight was always going to be a long & painful beating for Honeyghan.

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 28 Sep 2006, 10:40

Last year Lloyd came down to Reading to cast his eye over a Heavyweight, boxing out of the Pinewood Starr ABC. He came into the changing room and told everyone about the Curry fight. He said he turns up for the final press con, and its all " What are your plans for your next fight Don?" Don this and Don that. So Lloyd gets the hump and says " F,,uck this, treating me as if I'm not here." and walks out. On the way he stops at Curry and says " I'll see you Saturday Night in the ring you c**t" He told us that Curry's face went ashen, and that is when he knew he had him. I think he allso said he decided right there and then to have a big bet on himself, and so too did Mickey Duff.,,,,Lol

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 28 Sep 2006, 15:10

part of the attraction of the lloyd thing in those days was his relationship with mickey duff - WOW fireworks! i think mickey got a clump once or twice. those were the good days, eh?

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 29 Sep 2006, 08:22

I loved that quote from Mickey Duff about "we have a contract , but there's nothing in that contract that says we have to like each other" 8)

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 29 Sep 2006, 08:25

they loved each other

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 29 Sep 2006, 08:34

Andy Mac wrote:Last year Lloyd came down to Reading to cast his eye over a Heavyweight, boxing out of the Pinewood Starr ABC. He came into the changing room and told everyone about the Curry fight. He said he turns up for the final press con, and its all " What are your plans for your next fight Don?" Don this and Don that. So Lloyd gets the hump and says " F,,uck this, treating me as if I'm not here." and walks out. On the way he stops at Curry and says " I'll see you Saturday Night in the ring you c**t" He told us that Curry's face went ashen, and that is when he knew he had him. I think he allso said he decided right there and then to have a big bet on himself, and so too did Mickey Duff.,,,,Lol

That's hilarious, especially if it's true. I reckon Curry would never have come across something as visceral as some pissed of rude boy from Bermondsey calling you a caaant. Great stuff, a lot of fights are won and lost long before they touch gloves.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 29 Sep 2006, 08:42

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Andy Mac wrote:Last year Lloyd came down to Reading to cast his eye over a Heavyweight, boxing out of the Pinewood Starr ABC. He came into the changing room and told everyone about the Curry fight. He said he turns up for the final press con, and its all " What are your plans for your next fight Don?" Don this and Don that. So Lloyd gets the hump and says " F,,uck this, treating me as if I'm not here." and walks out. On the way he stops at Curry and says " I'll see you Saturday Night in the ring you c**t" He told us that Curry's face went ashen, and that is when he knew he had him. I think he allso said he decided right there and then to have a big bet on himself, and so too did Mickey Duff.,,,,Lol
That's hilarious, especially if it's true. I reckon Curry would never have come across something as visceral as some pissed of rude boy from Bermondsey calling you a caaant. Great stuff, a lot of fights are won and lost long before they touch gloves.

I think Duff put £5000 on Honeyghan to win, bet he got good odds on that.
Also for all his playboy image, Duff rated Honeyghan as one of the most dedicated trainers he'd ever seen.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 30 Sep 2006, 11:44

always looked nicely ripped and ready. always in great condition (apart from the hand). if he'd gone into every fight with the don curry caant attitude he'd have been awesome.
after his war with vaca i was surprised how easily discouraged he became against starling and even worse against breland. maybe the right hand was like glass at that point

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 30 Sep 2006, 13:55

harrygreb wrote:always looked nicely ripped and ready. always in great condition (apart from the hand). if he'd gone into every fight with the don curry caant attitude he'd have been awesome.
after his war with vaca i was surprised how easily discouraged he became against starling and even worse against breland. maybe the right hand was like glass at that point

I think Starling was one of the most underated boxers of the last 20 years, his style wasn't everyones favourite, but i liked it. Against Honeyghan he stayed in punching range, but covered up and used upperbody movement whilst still getting in stinging shots of his own.
Just completly broke Honeyghan up, both physically and mentally.
The Breland fight was just a disaster for Lloyd, he just wasn't in it right from the start, its probably one of the lowest points i can remember for me in boxing. Seeing as i was a big fan of Honeyghans.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 30 Sep 2006, 16:13

I agree, the magic man had so much talent. What Honeyghun did vs Curry was great, such a one sided fight also. However, I have to see had that been a few years previous - then I don't think Honey would have stood a chance.

I always felt Starling was going to be too good. Think Starling and Curry could have competed with the very best in any era.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 30 Sep 2006, 20:22

agreed, the breland fight was a very low point for myself.
agree also on marlon starling, really good defensive boxer with punches that had a lot of venom, he could hurt men and i think lloyd underated him to his great cost. do you remember lloyd offering a handshake after one particularly bad round? (ignored by starling) - a clear indication that you aint gonna win the fight. sign of a top fighter is one that can stay in punching range and still look comfortable (starling was one, floyd mayweather is another)

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 01 Oct 2006, 04:19

20 years ago?? Christ thats frightening. Honeygan was and still is one of my favourite fighters from when I was growing up. Guy had so much talent. Certainly up there just after Ken Buchanan beating Ismael Laguna in Peurto Rico as the best performance by a British fighter abroad.

funso banjo baby · Post by **funso banjo baby** » 01 Oct 2006, 07:20

very similar to Calzaghe v Lacey

completely overhyped american getting mugged by a BRit

def the biggest win since Robinson Turpin

Honeyghan had a gr8 run....his off the stool destruction of Bumphus.... the microsecond wipeout of hatcher..... the vaca wars

what a shame honeyghan was such a prick

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 01 Oct 2006, 08:48

topper123 wrote:Also for all his playboy image, Duff rated Honeyghan as one of the most dedicated trainers he'd ever seen.

Don't know if this is true or not but I do remember reading a few times that Lloyd often used to OVER train if anything.

I can't believe the Curry fight is 20 years ago.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 02 Oct 2006, 13:03

Watched this again at the weekend and had to laugh at Jim Watt doing the commentary.

Considering he's watching one of the biggest upsets ever seen, with a Brit boxer no less, his lack of enthusiasm is staggering. He's obviously NOT a Honeyghan fan - maybe dates to some bad feeling in the gym they shared I guess - but he commentates like he's watching a predictable 6 rounder.

Reg tried a little harder, and eventualy concedes it's an upset for the ages, but you can tell he's not a Honeyghan fan either. ( Reg never did like those flashy upstarts )

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 02 Oct 2006, 16:11

funso banjo baby wrote:very similar to Calzaghe v Lacey

completely overhyped american getting mugged by a BRit

def the biggest win since Robinson Turpin

Honeyghan had a gr8 run....his off the stool destruction of Bumphus.... the microsecond wipeout of hatcher..... the vaca wars

what a shame honeyghan was such a prick

I think its a little unfiar comparing Curry to Lacy.

In his brief prime, Curry was a magnificent boxer, absolutely awesome.

One of the best I have ever seen in fact. He did leave some fight in the amatuers, but all credit to Llyod, he showed tremendous self belief that night.

TheRiverCityHippy · Post by **TheRiverCityHippy** » 02 Oct 2006, 16:29

i remember the hatcher fight, didnt it get postponed a day because of torrential thunderstorms (it was an open air gig) and when the fight actually took place there looked about 12 people at the fight, you could see rows and rows of empty benches.
it was a blow out anyway.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 02 Oct 2006, 16:31

headhunter wrote:i remember the hatcher fight, didnt it get postponed a day because of torrential thunderstorms (it was an open air gig).

Yes it was.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 02 Oct 2006, 18:01

headhunter wrote:i remember the hatcher fight, didnt it get postponed a day because of torrential thunderstorms (it was an open air gig) and when the fight actually took place there looked about 12 people at the fight, you could see rows and rows of empty benches.
it was a blow out anyway.

Yes it was postponed one day due to electrical storms in Marbella. I was there with a mate, who I'd talked into staying to watch the fight for a night, before heading up the coast and catching up with the rest of our group.
Can't recall the crowd size too well, I know we were up in the gods, and it seemed pretty busy with all the local Brits on holiday, plus the local British gangster glitterati ( who part financed the fight with Duff and co rumour had it. The after fight party was held at one of their nightclubs )
It was an open air bull ring.

Honeyghan landed a round house punch that would've felled a bull and 45 seconds later it was all over. My mate turned to me and asked
"Is that it?!"
I think he was expecting the Hatcher team to get the smelling salts out, revive Gene and give us all our moneys worth.

He never got over the fact we'd paid 25 quid each to watch 45 secs of action ( having missed the undercard ).

As we left I tried to convince him it'd been worth it: a world record world title fight no less! He didn't look impressed.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 02 Oct 2006, 19:05

Nice anecdote MW.

Honeygan was shot when he fought Breland. I always saw Lloyd as a boxing supernova.

At his peak he shone so so brightly and could possibly have competed with the all-time greats but that peak was so very short, perhaps no more than 18 months.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 03 Oct 2006, 04:09

KO Artist wrote: I think its a little unfiar comparing Curry to Lacy.

In his brief prime, Curry was a magnificent boxer, absolutely awesome.

One of the best I have ever seen in fact. He did leave some fight in the amatuers.

Didn't Curry have an amatuer record like 400 wins with about 4-5 losses.