Buster Douglas vs Joe Louis

[elmersalsa]

If he does, he's simply a fool.

Why the name calling, gilgamesh? I don't like that at all. Show some respect.

If you think Joe Louis is a bum that would be easily beaten by Buster Douglas, at bare minimal you're under a severe delusion how about that?

Joe Louis wasn't a bum brother. His skills weren't primitive. His combination punching and accuracy is matched by very few Heavyweights throughout the sports history. Suggesting that he'd be blown out by Douglas as if he's just some scrub is absurd.

You talking about me show some respect? You need to put some respect on the name of Joe Louis.

Joe is not your family, sir. How about that? If you ain't apologizing, I understand. I am not expecting an apology anyway. But, show some respect since you are the moderator.

Buster Douglas was not a scrub. He was a perfect-sized heavyweight with great attributes like size (6'4"), weight (231lbs), great fast jab, mobility, strength, punch, and great ring generalship. The guy had it all. It was his lack of training, discipline and interest in the sport that he didn't care much about that he didn't succeed as one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time. He had the talent to do it.

Joe Louis was a great fighter. But, I can't see him beat big talented heavyweights of the quality Buster Douglas.

Why? He was too small. He didn't had the chin to absorb the bombs from those big dogs of the 90s decade. In his prime, I doubt that he weighed in more than 200lbs.

If a guy like Tony "Two-Ton" Galento dropped him, imagine Buster Douglas? Buster Douglas ain't going to be dropped by a guy like that? Do you believe that.

I want an apology. Now!

[elmersalsa]

Why the name calling, gilgamesh? I don't like that at all. Show some respect.

If you think Joe Louis is a bum that would be easily beaten by Buster Douglas, at bare minimal you're under a severe delusion how about that?

Joe Louis wasn't a bum brother. His skills weren't primitive. His combination punching and accuracy is matched by very few Heavyweights throughout the sports history. Suggesting that he'd be blown out by Douglas as if he's just some scrub is absurd.

You talking about me show some respect? You need to put some respect on the name of Joe Louis.

I agreed Gilgamesh, even though Elmer made his unpopular opinion of Tokyo Douglas beating a prime Louis, his opinion is laughable and I think Elmer doesn't respect Louis and his accomplishments because of the talents, challengers and champions during that period were different from the generational talent of Tyson and Douglas. Yes, Elmer either should show some respect on the name of Joe Louis or he could leave this subject and make his opinion on another subject.

How did I disrespect the great Joe Louis?

You guys live in a world of fantasy. Joe Louis was good for his time. He would have not succeeded with those primitive skills and methods in today's boxing world where guys at heavyweight are faster, bigger, stronger and in better condition according to science.

Louis would have been a cruiserweight at best in today's boxing world.

[gilgamesh]

Why the name calling, gilgamesh? I don't like that at all. Show some respect.

If you think Joe Louis is a bum that would be easily beaten by Buster Douglas, at bare minimal you're under a severe delusion how about that?

Joe Louis wasn't a bum brother. His skills weren't primitive. His combination punching and accuracy is matched by very few Heavyweights throughout the sports history. Suggesting that he'd be blown out by Douglas as if he's just some scrub is absurd.

You talking about me show some respect? You need to put some respect on the name of Joe Louis.

Joe is not your family, sir. How about that? If you ain't apologizing, I understand. I am not expecting an apology anyway. But, show some respect since you are the moderator.

Buster Douglas was not a scrub. He was a perfect-sized heavyweight with great attributes like size (6'4"), weight (231lbs), great fast jab, mobility, strength, punch, and great ring generalship. The guy had it all. It was his lack of training, discipline and interest in the sport that he didn't care much about that he didn't succeed as one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time. He had the talent to do it.

Joe Louis was a great fighter. But, I can't see him beat big talented heavyweights of the quality Buster Douglas.

Why? He was too small. He didn't had the chin to absorb the bombs from those big dogs of the 90s decade. In his prime, I doubt that he weighed in more than 200lbs.

If a guy like Tony "Two-Ton" Galento dropped him, imagine Buster Douglas? Buster Douglas ain't going to be dropped by a guy like that? Do you believe that.

I want an apology. Now!

You're as likely to get one as Buster is to have beaten Joe Louis.

[elmersalsa]

If you think Joe Louis is a bum that would be easily beaten by Buster Douglas, at bare minimal you're under a severe delusion how about that?

Joe Louis wasn't a bum brother. His skills weren't primitive. His combination punching and accuracy is matched by very few Heavyweights throughout the sports history. Suggesting that he'd be blown out by Douglas as if he's just some scrub is absurd.

You talking about me show some respect? You need to put some respect on the name of Joe Louis.

Joe is not your family, sir. How about that? If you ain't apologizing, I understand. I am not expecting an apology anyway. But, show some respect since you are the moderator.

Buster Douglas was not a scrub. He was a perfect-sized heavyweight with great attributes like size (6'4"), weight (231lbs), great fast jab, mobility, strength, punch, and great ring generalship. The guy had it all. It was his lack of training, discipline and interest in the sport that he didn't care much about that he didn't succeed as one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time. He had the talent to do it.

Joe Louis was a great fighter. But, I can't see him beat big talented heavyweights of the quality Buster Douglas.

Why? He was too small. He didn't had the chin to absorb the bombs from those big dogs of the 90s decade. In his prime, I doubt that he weighed in more than 200lbs.

If a guy like Tony "Two-Ton" Galento dropped him, imagine Buster Douglas? Buster Douglas ain't going to be dropped by a guy like that? Do you believe that.

I want an apology. Now!

You're as likely to get one as Buster is to have beaten Joe Louis.

Saying that Buster would have beaten Louis is not disrespectful. Calling someone a fool is disrespectful. I want an apology.

[gilgamesh]

You generally don't strike me as a fool elmer, but saying Buster Douglas would knock out Joe Louis in 60 seconds is a foolish statement, and an opinion that isn't based on having a particularly keen eye on the nuances of the fight game. That's my take on it.

[elmersalsa]

You generally don't strike me as a fool elmer, but saying Buster Douglas would knock out Joe Louis in 60 seconds is a foolish statement, and an opinion that isn't based on having a particularly keen eye on the nuances of the fight game. That's my take on it.

I didn't say that Buster Douglas would knock out Joe Louis in 60 seconds. I said that Mike Tyson would stop Louis in 60 seconds.

[Les Norton]

Louis had 25 defences of the heavyweight title and went 69-3 despite fighting past his prime.
Buster was a hell of a talent but was lazy and didn’t mind quitting. He was amazing against a “underdone”Tyson, but that isn’t Busters fault or problem.
But it was just one night and it was just one fight. Douglas had opportunities to look good but never showed up.
He faded and pretty much quit against Tucker, and then had no intention of getting up against Holyfield.
Unlike Buster, Joe Louis had more than one great night - he was a great heavyweight champion and a top 5 off all time.
I’ll take Louis by KO inside 6

Good take, Les, but, in the reality of the situation, the great Joe Louis, as great as he was, he never faced someone as skillfully talented who was bigger, stronger, and faster like Buster Douglas.

I would pick Douglas of the Tokyo fight against many of the great heavyweights of all-time. That left jab was quick and powerful. He had great ring generalship that night.

In any other night besides the Tokyo fight, I would pick Louis.

Happy to agree to disagree with you on this one Elmer.
But I still believe that despite his size, speed and skill, Buster was regularly fat, unfit and disinterested.
He also had that tendency to quit when the going got tough.
Despite the size difference between the two, Louis was simply better, tougher, more professional etc… I think he belts the hell out of Buster, as do any of the great heavyweights of all time.
I really don’t think that one night really doesn’t cut it, Louis had more great nights than Douglas had fights.
As sharp as Buster was that night, Tyson was just rubbish - and that is all too often overlooked when this fight is discussed

[Les Norton]

Good take, Les, but, in the reality of the situation, the great Joe Louis, as great as he was, he never faced someone as skillfully talented who was bigger, stronger, and faster like Buster Douglas.

I would pick Douglas of the Tokyo fight against many of the great heavyweights of all-time. That left jab was quick and powerful. He had great ring generalship that night.

In any other night besides the Tokyo fight, I would pick Louis.

And Douglas never fought anyone as good as Joe Louis. What's your point?

He whupped Iron Mike Tyson in Tyson's prime. Another one that would have kicked Joe Louis's ass in 60 seconds.

Now that is just being a shit stirrer

[elmersalsa]

Louis had 25 defences of the heavyweight title and went 69-3 despite fighting past his prime.
Buster was a hell of a talent but was lazy and didn’t mind quitting. He was amazing against a “underdone”Tyson, but that isn’t Busters fault or problem.
But it was just one night and it was just one fight. Douglas had opportunities to look good but never showed up.
He faded and pretty much quit against Tucker, and then had no intention of getting up against Holyfield.
Unlike Buster, Joe Louis had more than one great night - he was a great heavyweight champion and a top 5 off all time.
I’ll take Louis by KO inside 6

Good take, Les, but, in the reality of the situation, the great Joe Louis, as great as he was, he never faced someone as skillfully talented who was bigger, stronger, and faster like Buster Douglas.

I would pick Douglas of the Tokyo fight against many of the great heavyweights of all-time. That left jab was quick and powerful. He had great ring generalship that night.

In any other night besides the Tokyo fight, I would pick Louis.

Happy to agree to disagree with you on this one Elmer.
But I still believe that despite his size, speed and skill, Buster was regularly fat, unfit and disinterested.
He also had that tendency to quit when the going got tough.
Despite the size difference between the two, Louis was simply better, tougher, more professional etc… I think he belts the hell out of Buster, as do any of the great heavyweights of all time.
I really don’t think that one night really doesn’t cut it, Louis had more great nights than Douglas had fights.
As sharp as Buster was that night, Tyson was just rubbish - and that is all too often overlooked when this fight is discussed

A rubbish Mike Tyson beats every contender that Joe Louis ever fought.

[gilgamesh]

Maybe so. Maybe not.

[Les Norton]

Good take, Les, but, in the reality of the situation, the great Joe Louis, as great as he was, he never faced someone as skillfully talented who was bigger, stronger, and faster like Buster Douglas.

I would pick Douglas of the Tokyo fight against many of the great heavyweights of all-time. That left jab was quick and powerful. He had great ring generalship that night.

In any other night besides the Tokyo fight, I would pick Louis.

Happy to agree to disagree with you on this one Elmer.
But I still believe that despite his size, speed and skill, Buster was regularly fat, unfit and disinterested.
He also had that tendency to quit when the going got tough.
Despite the size difference between the two, Louis was simply better, tougher, more professional etc… I think he belts the hell out of Buster, as do any of the great heavyweights of all time.
I really don’t think that one night really doesn’t cut it, Louis had more great nights than Douglas had fights.
As sharp as Buster was that night, Tyson was just rubbish - and that is all too often overlooked when this fight is discussed

A rubbish Mike Tyson beats every contender that Joe Louis ever fought.

Whatever mate, im just sticking to the thread and Joe Louis pumps Douglas

[gilgamesh]

By my count unless I missed someone. It seems like the opinions are 6-3 in favor of Joe Louis on this one.

[keithmoonhangover]

If you think Joe Louis is a bum that would be easily beaten by Buster Douglas, at bare minimal you're under a severe delusion how about that?

Joe Louis wasn't a bum brother. His skills weren't primitive. His combination punching and accuracy is matched by very few Heavyweights throughout the sports history. Suggesting that he'd be blown out by Douglas as if he's just some scrub is absurd.

You talking about me show some respect? You need to put some respect on the name of Joe Louis.

Joe is not your family, sir. How about that? If you ain't apologizing, I understand. I am not expecting an apology anyway. But, show some respect since you are the moderator.

Buster Douglas was not a scrub. He was a perfect-sized heavyweight with great attributes like size (6'4"), weight (231lbs), great fast jab, mobility, strength, punch, and great ring generalship. The guy had it all. It was his lack of training, discipline and interest in the sport that he didn't care much about that he didn't succeed as one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time. He had the talent to do it.

Joe Louis was a great fighter. But, I can't see him beat big talented heavyweights of the quality Buster Douglas.

Why? He was too small. He didn't had the chin to absorb the bombs from those big dogs of the 90s decade. In his prime, I doubt that he weighed in more than 200lbs.

If a guy like Tony "Two-Ton" Galento dropped him, imagine Buster Douglas? Buster Douglas ain't going to be dropped by a guy like that? Do you believe that.

I want an apology. Now!

You're as likely to get one as Buster is to have beaten Joe Louis.