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[witherspoon]

Reading the back and forth here regarding the 10 point scoring system, I've been inspired to try out an alternative system.

Seamus is absolutely right, too often you end up with a clear, dominant round scored the same as a round that could have gone either way.

I think it was Casablanca who suggested a system where the fighters start each round with zero points rather than 10? I like that idea and I'm going to score a couple of fights over the weekend using that system.

If anyone could recommend any close fights with alot of close rounds I'd be grateful.

[Casablanca]

Reading the back and forth here regarding the 10 point scoring system, I've been inspired to try out an alternative system.

Seamus is absolutely right, too often you end up with a clear, dominant round scored the same as a round that could have gone either way.

I think it was Casablanca who suggested a system where the fighters start each round with zero points rather than 10? I like that idea and I'm going to score a couple of fights over the weekend using that system.

If anyone could recommend any close fights with alot of close rounds I'd be grateful.

Responded via personal message.

[gilgamesh]

David Tua vs Jeff Wooden

1. Wooden
2. Tua
3. Wooden *
4. Tua
5. Tua
6. Tua
7. Tua
8. Tua
9. Tua
10. Tua

98-92 Tua

Courageous effort from Wooden, he keeps it close early, and continues to get brave throughout the fight if he thinks Tua might be gassed, but eventually settles into survival mode because he's given no choice by Tua's assault. The scores read at the end have this much closer than I had it. Good tough scrap with a good tough journeymen. Wooden shows a hellacious chin here taking several full blooded shots from Tua, and never going down.

[gilgamesh]

David Tua vs Ike Ibeabuchi

1. Ike
2. Tua *
3. Ike
4. Ike *
5. Tua
6. Tua
7. Tua
8. Ike
9. Ike
10. Tua
11. Tua
12. Ike

114-114 even

Could've went either way. It went Ibeabuchi's way. 2 Absolute Tanks of Fighters who just absorb all the damage, and just keep going. Incredible pace for such big men.

[gilgamesh]

David Tua vs Monte Barrett

1. Tua
2. Tua
3. Tua
4. Tua
5. Barrett
6. Barrett
7. Barrett
8. Barrett
9. Tua
10. Barrett *
11. Tua
12. Barrett 10-7 (Tua has a point deducted, and is later knocked down as well in this round)

114-112 Monte Barrett

[gilgamesh]

David Tua vs Monte Barrett 2

1. Barrett
2. Barrett
3. Barrett
4. Barrett
5. Barrett
6. Barrett
7. Tua
8. Barrett
9. Barrett
10. Tua
11. Tua
12. Tua 10-8 (Barrett knocked down in the final minute, and barely survives the 12th round)

115-112 Monte Barrett

[Casablanca]

David Tua vs Monte Barrett 2

1. Barrett
2. Barrett
3. Barrett
4. Barrett
5. Barrett
6. Barrett
7. Tua
8. Barrett
9. Barrett
10. Tua
11. Tua
12. Tua 10-8 (Barrett knocked down in the final minute, and barely survives the 12th round)

115-112 Monte Barrett

I am going to have to get to a fight today.

[scartissue]

David Tua v Monte Barrett I (some crap title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Tua
Round 3: 10-9 Barrett
Round 4: 10-9 Tua
Round 5: 10-9 Tua
Round 6: 10-9 Barrett
Round 7: 10-9 Barrett
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Tua
Round 10: 10-9 Barrett
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-7 Barrett (scores a knockdown and Tua is docked a point for rough-housing ((threw Barrett to the deck)))

Total: 116-113 Barrett (actual scores: 115-111 Tua and 2 scores of 113-113 for a majority Draw)

To begin, I just want to say I've always been a massive Tua fan, but I gotta call them the way I see them. It wasn't scintillating stuff because Barrett lacked a big punch and Tua did his usual landing one at a time style of punching, so it's up to the judge on his preference as well. With 3 Even rounds I could very well have this a draw if I was leaning towards Tua, but it is what it is. That last round clearly threw a wrench in the works for two of the judges. I thought Tua started out great, but then lost the point for roughing up Barrett - a bit harsh I thought - but then Barrett turned tiger and dropped Tua. So a round that started out so well for Tua (I would have had Tua the winner by a point if he kept the head) turned into 3 points for Barrett.

[gilgamesh]

Floyd Patterson vs Jimmy Ellis

1. Ellis
2. Patterson
3. Ellis
4. Patterson
5. Patterson
6. Patterson
7. Patterson
8. Ellis
9. Ellis
10. Patterson
11. Ellis
12. Ellis
13. Patterson
14. Patterson
15. ?

In the 15th round the broadcast fades out, and I don't get to see the conclusion of the bout or the official announcement of the decision. After 14 rounds I had Patterson up 8 rounds to 6, and he was robbed of a knockdown call in the 14th round.

I think Patterson deserved this fight.

[scartissue]

Floyd Patterson vs Jimmy Ellis

1. Ellis
2. Patterson
3. Ellis
4. Patterson
5. Patterson
6. Patterson
7. Patterson
8. Ellis
9. Ellis
10. Patterson
11. Ellis
12. Ellis
13. Patterson
14. Patterson
15. ?

In the 15th round the broadcast fades out, and I don't get to see the conclusion of the bout or the official announcement of the decision. After 14 rounds I had Patterson up 8 rounds to 6, and he was robbed of a knockdown call in the 14th round.

I think Patterson deserved this fight.

Gil, despite Valan incorrectly calling it a no-knockdown in the 14th, it wouldn't have mattered. This bout was scored on a rounds basis. So it still would have been only a round scored for Patterson. But it should have been called a knockdown regardless.

[scartissue]

David Tua vs Monte Barrett 2

1. Barrett
2. Barrett
3. Barrett
4. Barrett
5. Barrett
6. Barrett
7. Tua
8. Barrett
9. Barrett
10. Tua
11. Tua
12. Tua 10-8 (Barrett knocked down in the final minute, and barely survives the 12th round)

115-112 Monte Barrett

David Tua v Monte Barrett II

Round 1: 10-9 Barrett
Round 2: 10-9 Barrett
Round 3: 10-9 Barrett
Round 4: 10-9 Barrett
Round 5: 10-9 Barrett
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Barrett
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Tua
Round 11: 10-9 Tua
Round 12: 10-8 Tua (scores a knockdown)

Total: 116-114 Barrett (actual scores: 114-113, 115-112 and another 115-112 all for Barrett)

Man, Tua frustrated me throughout the years. I was always screaming "let your hands go!" He tried to make one of his legendary late finishes but was lacking in the tank. But he has himself to blame. I barely saw him throw a punch until the 6th round. Barrett was no world-shaker but I'm glad the right man got it.

[Casablanca]

Floyd Patterson vs Jimmy Ellis

1. Ellis
2. Patterson
3. Ellis
4. Patterson
5. Patterson
6. Patterson
7. Patterson
8. Ellis
9. Ellis
10. Patterson
11. Ellis
12. Ellis
13. Patterson
14. Patterson
15. ?

In the 15th round the broadcast fades out, and I don't get to see the conclusion of the bout or the official announcement of the decision. After 14 rounds I had Patterson up 8 rounds to 6, and he was robbed of a knockdown call in the 14th round.

I think Patterson deserved this fight.

I scored the final round on the basis of the half of it which we have.

I very narrowly gave the fight to Ellis.

[Casablanca]

I watched and scored Ellis' title defense of the WBA title in Stockholm, Sweden against Floyd Patterson last night. It was Ellis’ first defense of the WBA title after winning the WBA tournament and would be the last fight for Ellis before Frazier and the unification of the division in February of 1970. What a fight it was. Patterson fought a great fight for where he was at in his career. I scored it very narrowly for Elllis, but it was a really close fight. I scored it on the 10 point must system. I scored it as follows:

Jimmy Ellis vs. Floyd Patterson (9-14-68)

R1: 10-9 Ellis
R2: 10-9 Ellis
R3: 10-9 Ellis
R4: 10-9 Patterson
R5: 10-9 Patterson
R6: 10-10 Even
R7: 10-9 Patterson
R8: 10-9 Ellis
R9: 10-10 Even
R10: 10-9 Ellis
R11: 10-9 Patterson
R12: 10-9 Ellis
R13: 10-9 Ellis
R14: 10-9 Patterson
R15: 10-9 Patterson

144-143 Ellis

Here was my card for Ellis-Patterson.

[gilgamesh]

Floyd Patterson vs Jerry Quarry

1. Patterson
2. Quarry (He knocked Patterson down twice)
3. Patterson
4. Quarry (Patterson knocked down again)
5. Patterson
6. Quarry
7. Patterson (Quarry knocked down)
8. Patterson
9. Quarry
10. Quarry

5-5 Draw

This bout was scored under the rounds system. Under a 10 point system, Quarry would've been the winner with the extra knockdowns.

[gilgamesh]

Floyd Patterson vs Jerry Quarry 2

1. Patterson
2. Quarry (Patterson knocked down)
3. Patterson
4. Quarry (Patterson knocked down again)
5. Quarry
6. Quarry
7. Patterson
8. Patterson
9. Patterson
10. Patterson
11. Patterson
12. Quarry*

7-5 Patterson

Under a 10 point system, I would've had a 113-113 draw. So both of these bouts are extremely competitive.

[Casablanca]

Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao (5-02-2015)

R1: 10-9 Mayweather
R2: 10-9 Mayweather
R3: 10-9 Mayweather
R4: 10-9 Pacquiao
R5: 10-9 Mayweather
R6: 10-9 Pacquiao
R7: 10-9 Mayweather
R8: 10-9 Mayweather
R9: 10-9 Mayweather
R10: 10-9 Pacquiao
R11: 10-9 Mayweather
R12: 10-9 Mayweather

117-111 Mayweather

[scartissue]

Floyd Patterson vs Jerry Quarry

1. Patterson
2. Quarry (He knocked Patterson down twice)
3. Patterson
4. Quarry (Patterson knocked down again)
5. Patterson
6. Quarry
7. Patterson (Quarry knocked down)
8. Patterson
9. Quarry
10. Quarry

5-5 Draw

This bout was scored under the rounds system. Under a 10 point system, Quarry would've been the winner with the extra knockdowns.

Gil, this is how I scored the two Patterson - Quarry fights, for what it's worth. They were very close but I should mention that this wasn't scored on the rounds system you mentioned, but California's 1 point system. So it's one point for a round, no points for an even round and an additional point for scoring a knockdown. And if one finds that is confusing it really isn't. The late west coast boxing writer Bill O'Neill once told me that California's scoring system was exactly like the 10-point system used today, only less math. And he was absolutely correct. The scores come out the same


Patterson-Quarry I

Round 1: Even-no points
Round 2: Quarry (2 knockdowns) 3 points
Round 3: Patterson
Round 4: Patterson
Round 5: Patterson
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Patterson (1 knockdown) 2 points
Round 8: Patterson
Round 9: Quarry
Round 10: Quarry

Patterson 6-5

Patterson-Quarry II

Round 1: Patterson
Round 2: Quarry (1 knockdown) 2 points
Round 3: Quarry
Round 4: Quarry (1 knockdown) 2 points
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Quarry
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Patterson
Round 9: Patterson
Round 10: Patterson
Round 11: Quarry
Round 12: Patterson

Quarry 7-5

[scartissue]

Marvin Hagler v John 'The Beast' Mugabi (middleweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Mugabi
Round 2: 10-9 Mugabi
Round 3: 10-9 Hagler
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Hagler
Round 6: 10-9 Hagler (Best round)
Round 7: 9-9 Even (Hagler's round but point deducted for a low blow)
Round 8: 10-9 Hagler
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Hagler
Round 11: Hagler KOs Mugabi

Total through 10 completed rounds: 97-94 Hagler (actual scores: 97-94, 97-94 and 96-95 all with Hagler leading)

Although seeing this before, I never scored it. The 6th round was intense, but a tremendous fight overall for pure action.

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Hasim Rahman

1. Rahman
2. Toney
3. Toney
4. Rahman
5. Rahman
6. Toney
7. Rahman
8. Toney
9. Toney
10. Rahman
11. Toney
12. Rahman

114-114 Draw

I think it was a deserved draw. I didn't bother to designate which rounds were close with the * because honestly all of 'em were close.

[scartissue]

Jimmy Ellis v Jerry Quarry (vacant WBA heavyweight title) California scoring in effect

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Ellis
Round 3: Ellis
Round 4: Ellis
Round 5: Quarry
Round 6: Quarry
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Ellis
Round 10: Ellis
Round 11: Quarry
Round 12: Quarry
Round 13: Quarry
Round 14: Ellis
Round 15: Quarry

Total: 6-6 Draw (actual scores: 6-6 Draw, 10-5 and 7-6 Ellis for a majority decision for Ellis)

This was a dull fight. Ellis would not follow Quarry to the ropes, which drew it to center ring, putting the counter-punching Quarry now as the aggressor. But I think Ellis did himself a disservice there as his lightning-quick right hand always seemed to find Jerry at the ropes. I would have told him nail him and then get out, but he just drew it back to center ring without doing anything. Also, the rounds Jerry was picking up was as the aggressor, and he actually didn't do badly at it. I always doubted a bit of the broken back theory until doing some research, which did mete out the fact there were broken bones discovered and he was in a body-cast after this fight for some time. He didn't look as mobile as I have seen him in other fights, so this may have been a contributor to the events that didn't unfold. Again, not a great fight but I still enjoy seeing some of these old historical bouts.

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Montell Griffin 2

1. Toney *
2. Griffin
3. Toney
4. Toney
5. Toney
6. Griffin
7. Toney
8. Griffin
9. Toney
10. Griffin
11. Griffin
12. Griffin

114-114 even

Toney kinda makes the same mistake as he did in the first fight, and just kinda falls asleep in the last 3 rounds, and let's his lead slip away on the official cards.

I notice the HBO crew gives Toney a lot of credit for winning the jabbing contest here, and he doesn't do that. He lands the better hooks and right hands for sure, but Griffin's got the better, more accurate jab.

So upon revisiting the 2 Toney-Griffin fights. I saw them as much closer than I had initially seen them when watching 'em the first time around.

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs John Ruiz

1. Toney
2. Toney
3. Ruiz
4. Toney
5. Toney
6. Ruiz
7. Toney 10-8
8. Toney
9. Ruiz
10. Toney
11. Toney
12. Toney

117-110 James Toney

[Seamus]

Sumbu Kalambay v Iran Barkley

R1.10-9 SK
R2.10-9 IB
R3.10-9 IB
R4.10-9 SK
R5.10-9 SK
R6.10-10 Even
R7.10-9 SK
R8.10-9 SK
R9.10-9 SK
R10.10-10 Even
R11.10-9 SK
R12.10-9 SK
R13.10-9 SK
R14.10-9 SK
R15.10-9 IB

Sumbu Kalambay 147-140

You forget how good Kalambay is till you watch him. Almost a IBHOF quality fighter

[giacomino]

Sumbu Kalambay v Iran Barkley

R1.10-9 SK
R2.10-9 IB
R3.10-9 IB
R4.10-9 SK
R5.10-9 SK
R6.10-10 Even
R7.10-9 SK
R8.10-9 SK
R9.10-9 SK
R10.10-10 Even
R11.10-9 SK
R12.10-9 SK
R13.10-9 SK
R14.10-9 SK
R15.10-9 IB

Sumbu Kalambay 147-140

You forget how good Kalambay is till you watch him. Almost a IBHOF quality fighter

The Nunn KO destroyed his reputation. He was a really good fighter, the first to beat McCallum (second fight also could have gone either way). I remember the Barkley fight and it was pretty one-sided

[Seamus]

Sumbu Kalambay v Steve Collins

R1.10-9 SC
R2.10-9 SC
R3.10-9 SC
R4.10-10 Even
R5.10-9 SC
R6.10-9 SC
R7.10-9 SK
R8.10-9 SK
R9.10-9 SK
R10.10-9 SC
R11.10-10 Even
R12.10-10 Even

Steve Collins 117-114

I'd like to get some feedback on this one because Kalambay won a MD. Tough fight to score. Kalambay was the better boxer and landed the cleaner blows, but so many times when he did, Collins just kept coming forward firing with both hands. He landed alot of shots to the body the arms, and had SK's right eye puffy. Reminded me a little of Antuofermo-Hagler I though Kalambay missed alot of punches as well. At the end I pretty much gave it to Collins on aggression.