Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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15/Hwy, who wins?
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Re: Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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Nile4000 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 11:06 15/Hwy, who wins?
Toney failed two test at heavyweight. Are we judging him with or without the PEDs?
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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 12:02
Nile4000 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 11:06 15/Hwy, who wins?
Toney failed two test at heavyweight. Are we judging him with or without the PEDs?
Good Point. Without.
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Re: Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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Quawi fought in 80s. He was on PEDs too. I am picking Toney by close decision in a very entertaining fight.
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Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 13:51 Quawi fought in 80s. He was on PEDs too.
I have evidence to back up my claim that Toney was on PEDs, where's yours?
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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 14:39
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 13:51 Quawi fought in 80s. He was on PEDs too.
I have evidence to back up my claim that Toney was on PEDs, where's yours?
You think Quawi was clean?
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Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:03
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 14:39
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 13:51 Quawi fought in 80s. He was on PEDs too.
I have evidence to back up my claim that Toney was on PEDs, where's yours?
You think Quawi was clean?
I have no reason to believe otherwise.
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Re: Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:30
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:03
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 14:39

I have evidence to back up my claim that Toney was on PEDs, where's yours?
You think Quawi was clean?
I have no reason to believe otherwise.
Okay, we have just different opinions on that :TU:
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This would be a great fight. At Light Heavy you gotta favor Qawi to outwork Toney. At Cruiserweight the pace slows enough to make it more competitive but you still may get the same result or a SD for Toney.

Would be back and forth all the way.
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gilgamesh wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:34 This would be a great fight. At Light Heavy you gotta favor Qawi to outwork Toney. At Cruiserweight the pace slows enough to make it more competitive but you still may get the same result or a SD for Toney.

Would be back and forth all the way.
Good point, i was talking about heavyweight versions. At light heavy, i am also picking Quawi :box:
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Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:31
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:30
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:03

You think Quawi was clean?
I have no reason to believe otherwise.
Okay, we have just different opinions on that :TU:
Yeah, but my opinion is fact based, yours is all in your head.
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Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:36
gilgamesh wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:34 This would be a great fight. At Light Heavy you gotta favor Qawi to outwork Toney. At Cruiserweight the pace slows enough to make it more competitive but you still may get the same result or a SD for Toney.

Would be back and forth all the way.
Good point, i was talking about heavyweight versions. At light heavy, i am also picking Quawi :box:
At their respective Heavyweight bests you'd have to favor Toney.
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Re: Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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Toney would win at heavyweight.
I didn’t like Qwawi at that weight at all.
Light heavyweight I’d pick him. He’d work that good jab of his coming forward and punching through Toney’s shoulder roll. He would also counter Toney with it.
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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:44
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:31
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:30

I have no reason to believe otherwise.
Okay, we have just different opinions on that :TU:
Yeah, but my opinion is fact based, yours is all in your head.
Ah, insults, okay :clap: . Just look at track and field women athletes from 80s ...looked like men, roided from rock to bottom. Were they clean because there is no evidence? :clap: For a freakin track race lol. And i should believe that guys who were beating crap out of each other, with solid amount of money on the line, with non existent anti doping agencies ...were clean, because there is no evidence :clap: ...in the last 40 years, there are 2 types of pro atlhetes .... the ones who are taking PEDs, and the ones who were caught taking PEDs. That is in my head, in the heads of fighters, and in the heads of majority of boxing fans :box:
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Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 16:07
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:44
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:31

Okay, we have just different opinions on that :TU:
Yeah, but my opinion is fact based, yours is all in your head.
Ah, insults, okay :clap: . Just look at track and field women athletes from 80s ...looked like men, roided from rock to bottom. Were they clean because there is no evidence? :clap: For a freakin track race lol. And i should believe that guys who were beating crap out of each other, with solid amount of money on the line, with non existent anti doping agencies ...were clean, because there is no evidence :clap: ...in the last 40 years, there are 2 types of pro atlhetes .... the ones who are taking PEDs, and the ones who were caught taking PEDs. That is in my head, in the heads of fighters, and in the heads of majority of boxing fans :box:
It wasn't an insult, it's just a fact. :TU:
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Nothing beats having facts on your side. Drives people nuts. :lol:

But but but....

And then you just hit 'em with the facts nothing but the facts :lol:
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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 16:20
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 16:07
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 15:44

Yeah, but my opinion is fact based, yours is all in your head.
Ah, insults, okay :clap: . Just look at track and field women athletes from 80s ...looked like men, roided from rock to bottom. Were they clean because there is no evidence? :clap: For a freakin track race lol. And i should believe that guys who were beating crap out of each other, with solid amount of money on the line, with non existent anti doping agencies ...were clean, because there is no evidence :clap: ...in the last 40 years, there are 2 types of pro atlhetes .... the ones who are taking PEDs, and the ones who were caught taking PEDs. That is in my head, in the heads of fighters, and in the heads of majority of boxing fans :box:
It wasn't an insult, it's just a fact. :TU:
Okay, speaking of your logic, your statement about Quawi was clean is also only in your head and not a fact, right.
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Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:20
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 16:20
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 16:07

Ah, insults, okay :clap: . Just look at track and field women athletes from 80s ...looked like men, roided from rock to bottom. Were they clean because there is no evidence? :clap: For a freakin track race lol. And i should believe that guys who were beating crap out of each other, with solid amount of money on the line, with non existent anti doping agencies ...were clean, because there is no evidence :clap: ...in the last 40 years, there are 2 types of pro atlhetes .... the ones who are taking PEDs, and the ones who were caught taking PEDs. That is in my head, in the heads of fighters, and in the heads of majority of boxing fans :box:
It wasn't an insult, it's just a fact. :TU:
Okay, speaking of your logic, your statement about Quawi was clean is also only in your head and not a fact, right.
It's a fact that Qawi never pissed dirty for PEDs.
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Re: Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:25
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:20
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 16:20

It wasn't an insult, it's just a fact. :TU:
Okay, speaking of your logic, your statement about Quawi was clean is also only in your head and not a fact, right.
It's a fact that Qawi never pissed dirty for PEDs.
Its a fact that Quawi was never properly PED tested
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Re: Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:29
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:25
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:20

Okay, speaking of your logic, your statement about Quawi was clean is also only in your head and not a fact, right.
It's a fact that Qawi never pissed dirty for PEDs.
Its a fact that Quawi was never properly PED tested
That doesn't make him a PED cheat, but Toney was. It's simple really.
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Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:29
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:25
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:20

Okay, speaking of your logic, your statement about Quawi was clean is also only in your head and not a fact, right.
It's a fact that Qawi never pissed dirty for PEDs.
Its a fact that Quawi was never properly PED tested
I've never been tested for 'em either, and I've never taken 'em. Prove I have or haven't.

Making up an allegation against somebody and trying to use it against 'em in an argument is just kinda odd. That's the kinda sh*t you'd expect from a scorned Girlfriend :lol:
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Re: Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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gilgamesh wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:51
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:29
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:25

It's a fact that Qawi never pissed dirty for PEDs.
Its a fact that Quawi was never properly PED tested
I've never been tested for 'em either, and I've never taken 'em. Prove I have or haven't.

Making up an allegation against somebody and trying to use it against 'em in an argument is just kinda odd. That's the kinda sh*t you'd expect from a scorned Girlfriend :lol:
I was not using it against anybody. He was pointed about Toney PEDs. I just said world of boxing is full of PEDs in last 40 years. Naming guys a PED cheats while claiming guys from 80s were clean where PEDs were well known and doping testing were non existent is odd too isnt it? .... i would point at PEDS when comparing guys from 80s, 90s or today with guys from 30s. But comparing guys from 90s and 80s, PEDs are no difference factor IMO. Some 90s guys got caught, in 80s, there was nobody who could caught PED users. Again, i was not using it against anybody, sorry for my english btw
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Re: Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

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Qawi wide. He can fight at a busier pace for 15 than Toney can for 10.
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Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 18:13
gilgamesh wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:51
Cent0089 wrote: ↑Yesterday, 17:29

Its a fact that Quawi was never properly PED tested
I've never been tested for 'em either, and I've never taken 'em. Prove I have or haven't.

Making up an allegation against somebody and trying to use it against 'em in an argument is just kinda odd. That's the kinda sh*t you'd expect from a scorned Girlfriend :lol:
doping testing were non existent
There was plenty of testing in the 80's. Nevada, NY and NJ routinely tested boxers for performance enhancing stimulants. Livingstone Bramble pissed dirty for the Mancini fight.
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