Dwight Qawi vs James Toney

[Nile4000]

15/Hwy, who wins?

[keithmoonhangover]

15/Hwy, who wins?

Toney failed two test at heavyweight. Are we judging him with or without the PEDs?

[Nile4000]

15/Hwy, who wins?

Toney failed two test at heavyweight. Are we judging him with or without the PEDs?

Good Point. Without.

[Cent0089]

Quawi fought in 80s. He was on PEDs too. I am picking Toney by close decision in a very entertaining fight.

[keithmoonhangover]

Quawi fought in 80s. He was on PEDs too.

I have evidence to back up my claim that Toney was on PEDs, where's yours?

[Cent0089]

Quawi fought in 80s. He was on PEDs too.

I have evidence to back up my claim that Toney was on PEDs, where's yours?

You think Quawi was clean?

[keithmoonhangover]

Quawi fought in 80s. He was on PEDs too.

I have evidence to back up my claim that Toney was on PEDs, where's yours?

You think Quawi was clean?

I have no reason to believe otherwise.

[Cent0089]

I have evidence to back up my claim that Toney was on PEDs, where's yours?

You think Quawi was clean?

I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Okay, we have just different opinions on that

[gilgamesh]

This would be a great fight. At Light Heavy you gotta favor Qawi to outwork Toney. At Cruiserweight the pace slows enough to make it more competitive but you still may get the same result or a SD for Toney.

Would be back and forth all the way.

[Cent0089]

This would be a great fight. At Light Heavy you gotta favor Qawi to outwork Toney. At Cruiserweight the pace slows enough to make it more competitive but you still may get the same result or a SD for Toney.

Would be back and forth all the way.

Good point, i was talking about heavyweight versions. At light heavy, i am also picking Quawi

[keithmoonhangover]

You think Quawi was clean?

I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Okay, we have just different opinions on that

Yeah, but my opinion is fact based, yours is all in your head.

[gilgamesh]

This would be a great fight. At Light Heavy you gotta favor Qawi to outwork Toney. At Cruiserweight the pace slows enough to make it more competitive but you still may get the same result or a SD for Toney.

Would be back and forth all the way.

Good point, i was talking about heavyweight versions. At light heavy, i am also picking Quawi

At their respective Heavyweight bests you'd have to favor Toney.

[Expug]

Toney would win at heavyweight.
I didn’t like Qwawi at that weight at all.
Light heavyweight I’d pick him. He’d work that good jab of his coming forward and punching through Toney’s shoulder roll. He would also counter Toney with it.

[Cent0089]

I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Okay, we have just different opinions on that

Yeah, but my opinion is fact based, yours is all in your head.

Ah, insults, okay . Just look at track and field women athletes from 80s ...looked like men, roided from rock to bottom. Were they clean because there is no evidence? For a freakin track race lol. And i should believe that guys who were beating crap out of each other, with solid amount of money on the line, with non existent anti doping agencies ...were clean, because there is no evidence ...in the last 40 years, there are 2 types of pro atlhetes .... the ones who are taking PEDs, and the ones who were caught taking PEDs. That is in my head, in the heads of fighters, and in the heads of majority of boxing fans

[keithmoonhangover]

Okay, we have just different opinions on that

Yeah, but my opinion is fact based, yours is all in your head.

Ah, insults, okay . Just look at track and field women athletes from 80s ...looked like men, roided from rock to bottom. Were they clean because there is no evidence? For a freakin track race lol. And i should believe that guys who were beating crap out of each other, with solid amount of money on the line, with non existent anti doping agencies ...were clean, because there is no evidence ...in the last 40 years, there are 2 types of pro atlhetes .... the ones who are taking PEDs, and the ones who were caught taking PEDs. That is in my head, in the heads of fighters, and in the heads of majority of boxing fans

It wasn't an insult, it's just a fact.

[gilgamesh]

Nothing beats having facts on your side. Drives people nuts.

But but but....

And then you just hit 'em with the facts nothing but the facts

[Cent0089]

Yeah, but my opinion is fact based, yours is all in your head.

Ah, insults, okay . Just look at track and field women athletes from 80s ...looked like men, roided from rock to bottom. Were they clean because there is no evidence? For a freakin track race lol. And i should believe that guys who were beating crap out of each other, with solid amount of money on the line, with non existent anti doping agencies ...were clean, because there is no evidence ...in the last 40 years, there are 2 types of pro atlhetes .... the ones who are taking PEDs, and the ones who were caught taking PEDs. That is in my head, in the heads of fighters, and in the heads of majority of boxing fans

It wasn't an insult, it's just a fact.

Okay, speaking of your logic, your statement about Quawi was clean is also only in your head and not a fact, right.

[keithmoonhangover]

Ah, insults, okay . Just look at track and field women athletes from 80s ...looked like men, roided from rock to bottom. Were they clean because there is no evidence? For a freakin track race lol. And i should believe that guys who were beating crap out of each other, with solid amount of money on the line, with non existent anti doping agencies ...were clean, because there is no evidence ...in the last 40 years, there are 2 types of pro atlhetes .... the ones who are taking PEDs, and the ones who were caught taking PEDs. That is in my head, in the heads of fighters, and in the heads of majority of boxing fans

It wasn't an insult, it's just a fact.

Okay, speaking of your logic, your statement about Quawi was clean is also only in your head and not a fact, right.

It's a fact that Qawi never pissed dirty for PEDs.

[Cent0089]

It wasn't an insult, it's just a fact.

Okay, speaking of your logic, your statement about Quawi was clean is also only in your head and not a fact, right.

It's a fact that Qawi never pissed dirty for PEDs.

Its a fact that Quawi was never properly PED tested

[keithmoonhangover]

Okay, speaking of your logic, your statement about Quawi was clean is also only in your head and not a fact, right.

It's a fact that Qawi never pissed dirty for PEDs.

Its a fact that Quawi was never properly PED tested

That doesn't make him a PED cheat, but Toney was. It's simple really.

[gilgamesh]

Okay, speaking of your logic, your statement about Quawi was clean is also only in your head and not a fact, right.

It's a fact that Qawi never pissed dirty for PEDs.

Its a fact that Quawi was never properly PED tested

I've never been tested for 'em either, and I've never taken 'em. Prove I have or haven't.

Making up an allegation against somebody and trying to use it against 'em in an argument is just kinda odd. That's the kinda sh*t you'd expect from a scorned Girlfriend

[Cent0089]

It's a fact that Qawi never pissed dirty for PEDs.

Its a fact that Quawi was never properly PED tested

I've never been tested for 'em either, and I've never taken 'em. Prove I have or haven't.

Making up an allegation against somebody and trying to use it against 'em in an argument is just kinda odd. That's the kinda sh*t you'd expect from a scorned Girlfriend

I was not using it against anybody. He was pointed about Toney PEDs. I just said world of boxing is full of PEDs in last 40 years. Naming guys a PED cheats while claiming guys from 80s were clean where PEDs were well known and doping testing were non existent is odd too isnt it? .... i would point at PEDS when comparing guys from 80s, 90s or today with guys from 30s. But comparing guys from 90s and 80s, PEDs are no difference factor IMO. Some 90s guys got caught, in 80s, there was nobody who could caught PED users. Again, i was not using it against anybody, sorry for my english btw

[Seamus]

Qawi wide. He can fight at a busier pace for 15 than Toney can for 10.

[keithmoonhangover]

Its a fact that Quawi was never properly PED tested

I've never been tested for 'em either, and I've never taken 'em. Prove I have or haven't.

Making up an allegation against somebody and trying to use it against 'em in an argument is just kinda odd. That's the kinda sh*t you'd expect from a scorned Girlfriend

doping testing were non existent

There was plenty of testing in the 80's. Nevada, NY and NJ routinely tested boxers for performance enhancing stimulants. Livingstone Bramble pissed dirty for the Mancini fight.