Calzaghe - Kessler = Mess

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 19 Oct 2006, 06:59

Beyer barely missed to the body though.

Beyer although losing wasn't doing too badly.

Deram · Post by **Deram** » 19 Oct 2006, 07:35

Beyer was being utterly dominated the entire fight. I dare anyone to find 10 seconds that Beyer won in that fight!

He was dominated and then knocked out with beautiful precision after less than 3 rounds.

Beautiful stuff.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 19 Oct 2006, 07:40

[quote="Deram"]Beyer was being utterly dominated the entire fight. I dare anyone to find 10 seconds that Beyer won in that fight!

He was dominated and then knocked out with beautiful precision after less than 3 rounds.

It was no Calzaghe and Lacy though.

Beyer wasn't missing to the body. He was also keeping his guard high up for Kessler's straights.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Oct 2006, 08:21

Deram wrote:Beyer was being utterly dominated the entire fight. I dare anyone to find 10 seconds that Beyer won in that fight!

He was dominated and then knocked out with beautiful precision after less than 3 rounds.

Beautiful stuff.

Agree 100%

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 19 Oct 2006, 09:10

Max Molyneux wrote:
Deram wrote:Beyer was being utterly dominated the entire fight. I dare anyone to find 10 seconds that Beyer won in that fight!

He was dominated and then knocked out with beautiful precision after less than 3 rounds.

It was no Calzaghe and Lacy though.

Beyer wasn't missing to the body. He was also keeping his guard high up for Kessler's straights.

The fact you're gonna try to even find something wrong in the 8 minutes that they fought is ridiculous. Beyer landed what, maybe 30 punches? Seriously, stop trying to degrade a fantastic performance.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 19 Oct 2006, 09:22

I agree about a Taylor fight, but it's too early for Taylor, they will want to build him more and taking on Calzaghe would be a risk they may not want to take as Taylor is still developing.

Taylor is a big MW, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he outweighed Joe come fight night if it happened.

I'd give Taylor a better shot than Bernard, though i think Calzaghe's speed and greater experience would carry him through.

I think Bernard would have trouble pulling the trigger on Calzaghe, who when he is in the groove can be very mobile, at 42 his reflexes aren't what they were, and most of his wins have been against guys who weren't very quick lately. We saw how much trouble Taylor's fast flurries gave him and the jab alone caused him a lot of problems, and kept him very negative. Bernard cannot maintain the kind of workrate Calzaghe can, and that would be the major difference.

As you say, Tarver was there to be beaten, but I didn't think Hopkins would cope well with the wait. Tarver has the heart of a capon, and Hopkins was able to drive him into his shell.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 19 Oct 2006, 09:54

Thing is, the fight would be MUCH BIGGER if Joe were to beat Kessler first. It's a risk for HBO to make that fight, as there's the chance Calzaghe loses, and then what do they do?

Kessler is sold as being a massive draw in Denmark, but it doesn't appear that he's all that big.

however, if Calzaghe comes through as a unified undisputed champ then suddenly it's potentially one for the hype machine. Taylor could get in another quality defence first.

Is his rematch with Winky happening now or what, or is it Ouma?

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 19 Oct 2006, 09:57

Terence wrote:I think there could be some slippage on Joe also. His reflexes looked off the other night. Maybe it was lethargy?

My big worry is that with some sportsmen their most punch-perfect performance is followed by rapid slippage. Everything seems to come together perfectly for a fight/period and then it unravels quickly.

I like Hopkins to win a few rounds in a propose fight as he is one of the rare guys who can take this type of thing into account and adjust.

I like Taylor in this fight right now, I am not saying he will win. He is the type of guy who you can imagine rising to the occasion and if he took this in 2-3 fights he would be razor sharp at the highest level.

Take what Joe has and add it with Taylor's early resume and you have a potent mix. If HBO smiles on you big fights happen.

I wouldn't worry about Joe slipping too much, he has a habit of not putting himself fully into every fight (Salem being a very visable case)

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 19 Oct 2006, 10:00

Terence wrote:I think there could be some slippage on Joe also. His reflexes looked off the other night. Maybe it was lethargy?

My big worry is that with some sportsmen their most punch-perfect performance is followed by rapid slippage. Everything seems to come together perfectly for a fight/period and then it unravels quickly.

I like Hopkins to win a few rounds in a propose fight as he is one of the rare guys who can take this type of thing into account and adjust.

I like Taylor in this fight right now, I am not saying he will win. He is the type of guy who you can imagine rising to the occasion and if he took this in 2-3 fights he would be razor sharp at the highest level.

Take what Joe has and add it with Taylor's early resume and you have a potent mix. If HBO smiles on you big fights happen.

Christ don't get me wrong, Bernard would have his moments, but I think that Calzaghe would take over in the latter half and really give Bernard a torrid time.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 19 Oct 2006, 10:12

Matty, yeah Joe does fight down to the level of his opponent, on Saturday he came right the way down though. Hopefully it is just a blip. When Joe fights Kessler we all want both men to be 110%.

Good point, he did come pretty far down off of his win vs Lacy. He looked far from good, which by comparison to the last time the world saw Joe fight, doesn't help much.

We all know Kessler will be ready and up, he always is, I just hope Joe is as well so we get our money's worth.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 19 Oct 2006, 18:44

I do not fancy gonig to Wales and freezing my 'nads off, and let them go at it. I am sure the second-tier will be jumping for that one.

Wuss. :P

Don't think HBO will risk Taylor to Calzaghe as Taylor's their poster boy.

Eric the Viking · Post by **Eric the Viking** » 19 Oct 2006, 20:21

neverwin wrote:I have a minor criticism regarding your point about travelling. You omit to mention that Calazghe went to Germany last year to make his mandatory defence against Veit.

I know he only went because they lost the purse bids and people will knock Veit but he won every round on every card before the TKO.

Oh, please - and *you* omit to mention that this is the same Mario Veit that Joe had KOd in under 2 minutes flat just a few years before.

Taking a 2-hour plane ride to face a guy you smashed to bits once before isn't exactly what I'd consider "taking a risk." The previous crushing win would've eliminated any home-crowd boost Veit might've otherwise felt. Not that such would've helped him - the skills disparity had already been established as being too great - but you make it out like Joe was entering the Lion's den or some such feat of biblical proportions.

Sorry, but Frickin' Mario Veit as a some kind of impressive notch on the 'ol fistic résumé ... bwahahahahahaha...

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 19 Oct 2006, 20:33

As for Rudy Markussen being mandatory, did he fight an eliminator?

Veit was Joes last mandatory.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 20 Oct 2006, 03:36

Eric the Viking wrote:
neverwin wrote:I have a minor criticism regarding your point about travelling. You omit to mention that Calazghe went to Germany last year to make his mandatory defence against Veit.

I know he only went because they lost the purse bids and people will knock Veit but he won every round on every card before the TKO.
Oh, please - and *you* omit to mention that this is the same Mario Veit that Joe had KOd in under 2 minutes flat just a few years before.

Taking a 2-hour plane ride to face a guy you smashed to bits once before isn't exactly what I'd consider "taking a risk." The previous crushing win would've eliminated any home-crowd boost Veit might've otherwise felt. Not that such would've helped him - the skills disparity had already been established as being too great - but you make it out like Joe was entering the Lion's den or some such feat of biblical proportions.

Sorry, but Frickin' Mario Veit as a some kind of impressive notch on the 'ol fistic résumé ... bwahahahahahaha...

He wanted to fight Brian Magee, not Veit. Veit picked up the interim crown. Universum won purse bids for Calzaghe-Veit II. They only bothered to let the world know a couple of days before Calzaghe-Magee voluntary defense. Because there was less that 2 months (or 6 weeks, or whateve) between voluntary and mandatory, WBO rules states that he must call of the voluntary. Or lose the title.

Universum were being very sneaky. They clearly wanted Calzaghe to vacate the title. Given that his weight problems were at an all time high, they knew there was a chance that he would go up to fight for a light heavy title. Making Veit champion outright.

Obviously Universum got the worst case scenario. Veit getting spanked again. But Germans are desperate for German world champions, so they still got to stage a very big fight.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 20 Oct 2006, 03:47

Max Molyneux wrote:As for Rudy Markussen being mandatory, did he fight an eliminator?

Veit was Joes last mandatory.

Markussen was KO'd on the Kessler undercard.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 20 Oct 2006, 04:25

Taylor will go up to super middleweight. But this won't be until 2007, at earliest.

HBO clearly want Taylor to beat Wright. Because of Winky, that fight won't be until mid 2007. Wright's days look numbered.

Taylor-Winky is the equivalent of Calzaghe-Kessler.

If HBO have sense, they will get Calzaghe and Kessler together. Because then there's more money in marketing Taylor vs the undisputed champ.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Oct 2006, 04:40

Sort of, except that in reality Winky has done nothing at middleweight, except win over shot Trinidad, and fighting Taylor, thought admittedly that result shows he can compete.

The more legit fight would be against Abraham, but after the shellacking he got in his last fight, that ain't gonna happen for quite some time.

I wish they would make some sort of rules that prevented belt hoppers jumping to the head of the queue.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 20 Oct 2006, 09:36

Terence wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:
I do not fancy gonig to Wales and freezing my 'nads off, and let them go at it. I am sure the second-tier will be jumping for that one.
Wuss. :P

Don't think HBO will risk Taylor to Calzaghe as Taylor's their poster boy.
Are you wise? Wales in Winter? Surrounded by leek-munchers? It would be a case of 'The Wickerman II'

Yeah, HBO really babied Tayor with those Hopkins fights followed by Wright!

They made sure if the decisions were close, it go closer to whoever they hyped up best way.

Wales in the summer is worse, I got sunburned there once!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 20 Oct 2006, 10:48

HBO also tell the ring whos the proper champion based on ratings ala Klitschko.

Barrera v Fana was certainly no 50-50 nor Williams V Klitschko.

It's only Godzaghe that makes Wales something to think of, although he's technically English.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Oct 2006, 10:52

Yes, born in Hammersmith, same as my good self. I wonder if he was born in Queen Charlotte's Hospital, like I was....oh to think he may have had the same cot!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 20 Oct 2006, 11:04

Good self? More like sarcastic self. :P

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 20 Oct 2006, 23:16

it be a very good fight i favour kessler at on last fight performance, but i also thouht lacy would win and was proved wrong big time.