"Out From Ali's Shadow: The Larry Holmes Story"

nyckid · Post by **nyckid** » 02 Nov 2006, 16:59

New York International Independent Film and Video Festival http://www.nyfilmvideo.com

When: Friday, November 10, 2006 6 PM
What: Documentary Film Screening (55 min)
Where: Village East Cinema (Screen 7) 12th St. and 2nd Ave
Contact: Valerie Nicholas 516-314-6411 or [email protected]

http://www.fightbeat.com/news_details.php?NW=657

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 05 Nov 2006, 02:14

I think a movie about Larry Holmes would actually be a pretty interesting story. I mean think about it...

Here's a guy who becomes champion after Ali, but nobody cares, so he ends up fighting his idol and mentor, wins the fight, everybody hates Holmes ever worse. Then he ends up fighting some pretty weak opposition in an era with limited talent, the press rips at him, and then the biggest fight of his life happens in Gerry Cooney, a more or less hyped up white giant who knocked over a bunch of veterans.

But then again the story wouldnt be good...cus unlike Rocky, unlike Cinderella Man, unlike The Champ, there is no happy ending because Holmes was never appreciated in his own time.

Sweet Scientist · Post by **Sweet Scientist** » 17 Nov 2006, 19:04

IrishRufusMurphy wrote: Holmes was never appreciated in his own time.

Perhaps not by the masses...but true boxing fans couldn't help but appreciate Larry, both at the time...and now...25 years later...be great to have a prime Holmes around now...what a difference in the HW landscape that would be...an actual consistantly outstanding, well trained & conditioned, highly professional heavyweight...ahhh, the good old days...

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 08 Dec 2006, 18:23

If he only fought more heavyweights who were deserving of a title shot, instead of Scott Frank or Marvis Frazier.Great heavy nonetheless.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 08 Dec 2006, 19:23

I have posted this before but is has been awhile. I think Holmes fought fairly good opposition. But it depends on how you look at it. You can look at it from the standpoint that he beat alot of guys who were good at the time. But then once he fought them they went bust soon their after. Guys like Ken Norton, Tim Witherspoon, Carl The Truth Williams. Even Leon Spinks went on a minni roll before his fight with Holmes. He had gotten his act together and was probably in the best fighting condition of his career, but he is another guy who went bust soon after that. So he won't be rememberd as a great opponent, but at the time I would say he was a good opponent. I think their are a fair number of guys that Holmes fought that you could go down the list and say the same thing about.

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 09 Dec 2006, 02:45

Yo guys -- "Out From Ali's Shadow: The Larry Holmes Story" was awarded Best Sports Doc in the film festival --

http://www.nyfilmvideo.com/2006/nynov20 ... awards.htm

On youtube is a clip of Larry after the event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5031Bs49kI

jsc1973 · Post by **jsc1973** » 10 Dec 2006, 02:23

Nile4000 wrote:If he only fought more heavyweights who were deserving of a title shot, instead of Scott Frank or Marvis Frazier.Great heavy nonetheless.

He fought everyone he was asked to fight. Never ducked anyone. You can't ask anything more of a champion.

The way that Cooney fight was set up, only a great champion could have gone in that place and won that night. Cooney was a damn good fighter at that point; Holmes will tell you he hit harder than anyone else he ever fought, and Holmes faced a prime Mike Tyson, and he also fought Earnie Shavers twice.

JC · Post by JC » 10 Dec 2006, 07:03

jsc1973 wrote:
Nile4000 wrote:If he only fought more heavyweights who were deserving of a title shot, instead of Scott Frank or Marvis Frazier.Great heavy nonetheless.
He fought everyone he was asked to fight. Never ducked anyone. You can't ask anything more of a champion.

The way that Cooney fight was set up, only a great champion could have gone in that place and won that night. Cooney was a damn good fighter at that point; Holmes will tell you he hit harder than anyone else he ever fought, and Holmes faced a prime Mike Tyson, and he also fought Earnie Shavers twice.

Did Holmes really say Cooney hit harder than Shavers?

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 10 Dec 2006, 08:30

J-C wrote:
jsc1973 wrote:
Nile4000 wrote:If he only fought more heavyweights who were deserving of a title shot, instead of Scott Frank or Marvis Frazier.Great heavy nonetheless.
He fought everyone he was asked to fight. Never ducked anyone. You can't ask anything more of a champion.

The way that Cooney fight was set up, only a great champion could have gone in that place and won that night. Cooney was a damn good fighter at that point; Holmes will tell you he hit harder than anyone else he ever fought, and Holmes faced a prime Mike Tyson, and he also fought Earnie Shavers twice.
Did Holmes really say Cooney hit harder than Shavers?

Holmes always said that Shavers hit the hardest, though he did credit Cooney with a great left hook to the balls.