Will Hatton beat Urango?

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Terence wrote:I used to love watching Floyd, the Gatti fight was the peak of his defensive ability to stay close, avoid shots and do damage but since then he has seemed reluctant to do anything but peck and move.

Against Mitchell he showed a nice right hand to the body and I thought that was a shot which would give Hatton a lot of problems balance-wise if they fought. He used it effectively against Judah but since getting dropped, not called, in that fight he has crossed the line into extreme negativity in order to creep into P4P all-time status.

Floyd fans will go crazy and tell me he is fighting bigger guys and all that but that is his choice, he did not out-grow any division, he just never fancied dominating a division in recent years.

A Floyd fan Called Matty something or other complained that Floyd had a sore mitt in the Baldo fight but he was negative from the get-go.

Moving is good when you do it the way Hopknis did versus Tito, not so good when you do what Hopkins did versus a terrible Howard Eastman.
Floyd was relatively aggressive vs Corley and Mitchell, but I noticed he got stung maybe 3 or 4 times by southpaw lefts. His attitude has definitely changed, I agree.


It seems that to be a pound for pound number one, it helps if you are a) negative, b) move, move and move some more, even if there's little coming back, c) try your best not to take one single shot/risk, d) be an abrasive American. I really think Pac has taken over the #1 spot, by far, as opposed to "catching up" as Ring magazine would have it.
I think Floyd knows he cannot afford to stand and fight against a genuine 147 lber. Baldomir, though not a puncher, could probably have put him on queer street had he landed a flush shot, so Floyd chose to pick and poke all night long.

I hope that DLH manages to catch up with Floyd when they fight, otherwise we could be in for a long and very boring night, with Floyd fighting extremely negatively whether he wins or loses. One thing Floyd won't want is to get knocked out by Oscar.
Like it or loathe it Floyd is the epitomy of hit and not getting hit. Hes never going to be about taking a shot to land a bigger 1. The excitement you can get in his fights are when he lands combinations. Its hard to land combinations against slick southpaws or when you have a broken hand (Baldomir)

Now supposedly against Baldomir he damaged his right hand and couldn't use it. He still won a shutout. Now was it really a broke hand or fear of fighting a bigger man that stopped a domination?

Its hard to judge Floyd at the moment because hes just fought 2 of the slickest southpaws P4P that are hard to look good against unless you level them followed by a tough underated pressure fighter he fought with a supposed broken hand.
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viciousmaussa wrote:It seems that to be a pound for pound number one, it helps if you are a) negative, b) move, move and move some more, even if there's little coming back, c) try your best not to take one single shot/risk, d) be an abrasive American. I really think Pac has taken over the #1 spot, by far, as opposed to "catching up" as Ring magazine would have it.
P4P Pacquaio is getting overated. Judah P4P was on par with Morales, which is Pacs biggest win, yet Judah is seen as an easy fight for Mayweather. Yet both Judah and Morales were coming off losses (Morales 2 losses) and both were ex-linear champs each providing different challengers

P4P isn't about whos most exciting - obviously Pacquiao is. But Mayweather is proving to be the toughest P4P to beat whereas Pacquiao really lost to Marquez and a past prime Morales

ANYWAY how can Pac be P4P better - hes only 3lbs lighter come fight night and I doubt anyone in their right mind would pick Pac over Mayweather if they squared off.
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viciousmaussa wrote: Mayweather fans get so defensive, I guess their temperaments match their hero's ring style.
:TU: Touche. So right - MAyweather's fans seem to mirror his dislikeable, arrogant, petulant personality.

None of them can enter into a reasonable discussion it's all exgerrated claims and insults.
HAH, maybe some of you Hatton fans should realize you're calling the kettle black. Why is it everytime someone brings up Hatton's resume, 65893 people come to defend him? No one, and I mean NO ONE, gets more defensive then a fvcking Hatton fan. What trash you guys are spewing.

The only argument a Hatton fan has is that Ricky beat Tszyu. Other than that, Ricky hasn't done shit. Carlos Maussa was beaten by Cotto when Cotto was under 10 fights, and yet because the same guy has a title a year later, it's a tougher opponent? BS.

And no matter how much people worry about styles, if Hatton loses to Urango, it's pathetic. That guy sucks and didn't even win the fight the night he got his belt.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:It seems that to be a pound for pound number one, it helps if you are a) negative, b) move, move and move some more, even if there's little coming back, c) try your best not to take one single shot/risk, d) be an abrasive American. I really think Pac has taken over the #1 spot, by far, as opposed to "catching up" as Ring magazine would have it.
P4P Pacquaio is getting overated. Judah P4P was on par with Morales, which is Pacs biggest win, yet Judah is seen as an easy fight for Mayweather. Yet both Judah and Morales were coming off losses (Morales 2 losses) and both were ex-linear champs each providing different challengers

P4P isn't about whos most exciting - obviously Pacquiao is. But Mayweather is proving to be the toughest P4P to beat whereas Pacquiao really lost to Marquez and a past prime Morales

ANYWAY how can Pac be P4P better - hes only 3lbs lighter come fight night and I doubt anyone in their right mind would pick Pac over Mayweather if they squared off.
Judah isn't fit to hold Morales' jockstrap.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:It seems that to be a pound for pound number one, it helps if you are a) negative, b) move, move and move some more, even if there's little coming back, c) try your best not to take one single shot/risk, d) be an abrasive American. I really think Pac has taken over the #1 spot, by far, as opposed to "catching up" as Ring magazine would have it.
P4P Pacquaio is getting overated. Judah P4P was on par with Morales, which is Pacs biggest win, yet Judah is seen as an easy fight for Mayweather. Yet both Judah and Morales were coming off losses (Morales 2 losses) and both were ex-linear champs each providing different challengers

P4P isn't about whos most exciting - obviously Pacquiao is. But Mayweather is proving to be the toughest P4P to beat whereas Pacquiao really lost to Marquez and a past prime Morales

ANYWAY how can Pac be P4P better - hes only 3lbs lighter come fight night and I doubt anyone in their right mind would pick Pac over Mayweather if they squared off.
Judah isn't fit to hold Morales' jockstrap.
Well, nowadays I think it'd be lucky if Morales knew what a jockstrap was.

Also, I'd say Zahir Raheem proved what Morales has become.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: P4P Pacquaio is getting overated. Judah P4P was on par with Morales, which is Pacs biggest win, yet Judah is seen as an easy fight for Mayweather. Yet both Judah and Morales were coming off losses (Morales 2 losses) and both were ex-linear champs each providing different challengers

P4P isn't about whos most exciting - obviously Pacquiao is. But Mayweather is proving to be the toughest P4P to beat whereas Pacquiao really lost to Marquez and a past prime Morales

ANYWAY how can Pac be P4P better - hes only 3lbs lighter come fight night and I doubt anyone in their right mind would pick Pac over Mayweather if they squared off.
Judah isn't fit to hold Morales' jockstrap.
Well, nowadays I think it'd be lucky if Morales knew what a jockstrap was.

Also, I'd say Zahir Raheem proved what Morales has become.
Exactly Raheem is on par with Baldomir. Judahs underated and Morales is overated, especially with the current versions.
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nickd wrote: Judah isn't fit to hold Morales' jockstrap.
Well, nowadays I think it'd be lucky if Morales knew what a jockstrap was.

Also, I'd say Zahir Raheem proved what Morales has become.
Exactly Raheem is on par with Baldomir. Judahs underated and Morales is overated, especially with the current versions.
Judah's biggest problem is he takes nights off mentally and he lacks the ability to conserve for 12 rounds. You can tell he doesn't train hard in terms of road work, and worries more about the speedbag and other bag work. He took a night off vs Baldomir, and then came in to fight against Mayweather, but blew his wad after 4 rounds, and got bitchslapped over 7 of the last 8.
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viciousmaussa wrote:It seems that to be a pound for pound number one, it helps if you are a) negative, b) move, move and move some more, even if there's little coming back, c) try your best not to take one single shot/risk, d) be an abrasive American. I really think Pac has taken over the #1 spot, by far, as opposed to "catching up" as Ring magazine would have it.
P4P Pacquaio is getting overated. Judah P4P was on par with Morales, which is Pacs biggest win, yet Judah is seen as an easy fight for Mayweather. Yet both Judah and Morales were coming off losses (Morales 2 losses) and both were ex-linear champs each providing different challengers

P4P isn't about whos most exciting - obviously Pacquiao is. But Mayweather is proving to be the toughest P4P to beat whereas Pacquiao really lost to Marquez and a past prime Morales

ANYWAY how can Pac be P4P better - hes only 3lbs lighter come fight night and I doubt anyone in their right mind would pick Pac over Mayweather if they squared off.
Pacman is facing off against better competition and has been for some time now. He's not cherry picking his way to world titles and zooming through the weights. If Mayweather beats Oscar, then I will put him back at #1, but Manny for me is doing the business right now. Just because he's lost one against Morales and drawn with Marquez, doesn't mean much to me. Losses are part of boxing, and Mayweather's career ain't over yet.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:It seems that to be a pound for pound number one, it helps if you are a) negative, b) move, move and move some more, even if there's little coming back, c) try your best not to take one single shot/risk, d) be an abrasive American. I really think Pac has taken over the #1 spot, by far, as opposed to "catching up" as Ring magazine would have it.
P4P Pacquaio is getting overated. Judah P4P was on par with Morales, which is Pacs biggest win, yet Judah is seen as an easy fight for Mayweather. Yet both Judah and Morales were coming off losses (Morales 2 losses) and both were ex-linear champs each providing different challengers

P4P isn't about whos most exciting - obviously Pacquiao is. But Mayweather is proving to be the toughest P4P to beat whereas Pacquiao really lost to Marquez and a past prime Morales

ANYWAY how can Pac be P4P better - hes only 3lbs lighter come fight night and I doubt anyone in their right mind would pick Pac over Mayweather if they squared off.
Pacman is facing off against better competition and has been for some time now. He's not cherry picking his way to world titles and zooming through the weights. If Mayweather beats Oscar, then I will put him back at #1, but Manny for me is doing the business right now. Just because he's lost one against Morales and drawn with Marquez, doesn't mean much to me. Losses are part of boxing, and Mayweather's career ain't over yet.
Sorry, but Larios coming up two weight classes and Morales the third time are nothing but names. Those are guys Manny should've killed, especially seeing that Larios got beat badly by Vazquez at 122. Morales went in the third time for a payday, and was there to get pummeled. Once Morales got beat the way he did by Raheem, his career was over. Anything after that is moot.
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What about the other win over Morales, and his decimation of Barrera then? Still better than anything Mayweather has done since beating Castillo. The best win that Mayweather has had in recent times is his win over a more focussed Judah, beating Barrera and Morales tops this easily in my book. The win over Larios was still a good win, but I'm not even brining this into it.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:What about the other win over Morales, and his decimation of Barrera then? Still better than anything Mayweather has done since beating Castillo. The best win that Mayweather has had in recent times is his win over a more focussed Judah, beating Barrera and Morales tops this easily in my book. The win over Larios was still a good win, but I'm not even brining this into it.
His win over Barrera was a fantastic win and put him on the map, no questioning that one at all. However, Manny did not beat Morales until after Erik lost to Raheem, and it was apparent that the 3 wars with Barrera and the first fight with Pac had taken their toll. No way is Raheem on the level of those 3 guys in their prime, yet him made Morales look like a kid. The first win over Morales was much better than the second win, but that's not saying much. However, the fact Manny couldn't stop a guy who was just stopped in 3 8 pounds lighter makes you wonder.

I would love to see Pac fight Marquez again, and see what he does with a boxer with movement, and not a straight forward fighter. Marquez boxed his fvcking ears off over the last 11 the first time around.
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Marquez deserved the win, no doubt in my mind, but I suspect that second time round, Manny batters him. Manny has come on quite a bit since that fight, he's added a lot to his arsenal, closes the gap better, and fights inside a lot better too. I think he's a far better fighter now than he was then, and Marquez seems to be getting involved in wars more now, perhaps because his legs are deserting him.

Bring on the rematch, that's what I say. I think Marquez will beat Barrera and hopefully, Barrera will look for Pacman as his final fight.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:It seems that to be a pound for pound number one, it helps if you are a) negative, b) move, move and move some more, even if there's little coming back, c) try your best not to take one single shot/risk, d) be an abrasive American. I really think Pac has taken over the #1 spot, by far, as opposed to "catching up" as Ring magazine would have it.
P4P Pacquaio is getting overated. Judah P4P was on par with Morales, which is Pacs biggest win, yet Judah is seen as an easy fight for Mayweather. Yet both Judah and Morales were coming off losses (Morales 2 losses) and both were ex-linear champs each providing different challengers

P4P isn't about whos most exciting - obviously Pacquiao is. But Mayweather is proving to be the toughest P4P to beat whereas Pacquiao really lost to Marquez and a past prime Morales

ANYWAY how can Pac be P4P better - hes only 3lbs lighter come fight night and I doubt anyone in their right mind would pick Pac over Mayweather if they squared off.
Pacman is facing off against better competition and has been for some time now. He's not cherry picking his way to world titles and zooming through the weights. If Mayweather beats Oscar, then I will put him back at #1, but Manny for me is doing the business right now. Just because he's lost one against Morales and drawn with Marquez, doesn't mean much to me. Losses are part of boxing, and Mayweather's career ain't over yet.
Pacmans been fighting the best at 126-130 but I think now hes the name this will end. No Barrera/Guzman/Marquez/135 fights or on the horizon. Mayweather beat the best from 130-135 and top 2 at 147 and was ducked by Cotto and Hatton at 140.

Why do people make it sound like jumping weights is easy? Its not. I don't understand how beating the last 2 linear champs at 147 is cherry picking. How is offering fights to Hatton/Cotto/Mosley/Judah (when he was champ) cherry picking? Guess what Judah is the only 1 who'd discuss the fight. That fight was delivered pre-Baldomir, Hatton was offered the fight post-Baldomir and in the absense of Hatton the Judah fight happened followed by beating the man who beat him.

Are you buying into the Margarito hype? Mayweather won't sign for a low risk reward fight - see Margarito/Harris/Witter. He will fight guys on or above their level such as Delahoya, Hatton (been turned dopwn around 5 times now), Cotto (not ready), Judah, Baldomir (not flashy but look in detail at his career), Gatti (yes Gatti was on par with Margarito when at 140).

What fight choices would you have prefered Mayweather to make over the past 3 years James? bare in mind Hatton/Cotto/Mosley all wouldn't sign.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:What about the other win over Morales, and his decimation of Barrera then? Still better than anything Mayweather has done since beating Castillo. The best win that Mayweather has had in recent times is his win over a more focussed Judah, beating Barrera and Morales tops this easily in my book. The win over Larios was still a good win, but I'm not even brining this into it.
The Barrera win was massive, but he followed that in both your and my eyes in losing to Marquez. Also in a P4P sense isn't the Barrera win nearly as long ago as Mayweathers Castillo win?

Morales was a good win, but massively tainted as Morales was long past prime in both those fights. Anyone losing to Raheem has to be out of the P4P top20. Larrios win is about on par with Mayweathers Mitchell win.

Pac needs to fight Guzman.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:Marquez deserved the win, no doubt in my mind, but I suspect that second time round, Manny batters him. Manny has come on quite a bit since that fight, he's added a lot to his arsenal, closes the gap better, and fights inside a lot better too. I think he's a far better fighter now than he was then, and Marquez seems to be getting involved in wars more now, perhaps because his legs are deserting him.

Bring on the rematch, that's what I say. I think Marquez will beat Barrera and hopefully, Barrera will look for Pacman as his final fight.
Pacman isnt signing for a Barrera fight at a 50-50 split - he wants 60%. I think Barrera and Marquez may just be too old to take a prime pac
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:Marquez deserved the win, no doubt in my mind, but I suspect that second time round, Manny batters him. Manny has come on quite a bit since that fight, he's added a lot to his arsenal, closes the gap better, and fights inside a lot better too. I think he's a far better fighter now than he was then, and Marquez seems to be getting involved in wars more now, perhaps because his legs are deserting him.

Bring on the rematch, that's what I say. I think Marquez will beat Barrera and hopefully, Barrera will look for Pacman as his final fight.
Manny has been fighting guys who come at you, and don't have a ton of movement. Morales, Larios, and Barrera are all going to sit there in front of you and fight, Marquez will fight, but will also realize when it's time to get out and move, and that was Manny's problem in the first fight. No doubt he has improved, but he's also fought the same style fighter his past 4 fights.
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Barrera is a guy who can box as well as brawl, but against Pacman, he never got a chance to get into his stride. Same with Marquez, Pacman was on him like white on rice, and you could argue Marquez was lucky not to be stopped by the ref, he was really badly shaken after the third knockdown, bleeding heavily and in a world of trouble, he barely made it off the canvas. Fair play, given the result the ref made the right decision.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:Barrera is a guy who can box as well as brawl, but against Pacman, he never got a chance to get into his stride. Same with Marquez, Pacman was on him like white on rice, and you could argue Marquez was lucky not to be stopped by the ref, he was really badly shaken after the third knockdown, bleeding heavily and in a world of trouble, he barely made it off the canvas. Fair play, given the result the ref made the right decision.
When Manny fought Barrera, Barrera was not boxing, that style is a recent revelation. He tried to brawl Juarez, realized it didn't work, and came back and boxed his ears off the second fight to a wide decision. When Manny fought Marco, Barrera was in the brawl for it all style mentally, and his fights with Morales, while emotionally charged, showed that. Barrera even came straight forward at Hamed, but was so intune defensively and didn't get hit with any big bombs Hamed was trying to land, that it made Hamed look pedestrian.
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He came forward against Hamed? Sorry, do you get boxing news in braille format?


Don't try and piss down my back and tell me it's raining, Pacman is quick enough out of the blocks to totally change a fighters gameplan. Even Marquez had to stand and trade to avoid being stopped by the referee, if you look at the 2nd round, Marquez takes ring centre and trades with Manny, because he realises that if he tries to run and box he is likely to eat another big shot and get stopped.

Barrera never got time to think against Pacman, he was forced into a brawl after the knockdown took his legs away.
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Mattyp151 wrote:
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viciousmaussa wrote: Mayweather fans get so defensive, I guess their temperaments match their hero's ring style.
:TU: Touche. So right - MAyweather's fans seem to mirror his dislikeable, arrogant, petulant personality.

None of them can enter into a reasonable discussion it's all exgerrated claims and insults.
HAH, maybe some of you Hatton fans should realize you're calling the kettle black. Why is it everytime someone brings up Hatton's resume, 65893 people come to defend him? No one, and I mean NO ONE, gets more defensive then a fvcking Hatton fan. What trash you guys are spewing.

The only argument a Hatton fan has is that Ricky beat Tszyu. Other than that, Ricky hasn't done shit. Carlos Maussa was beaten by Cotto when Cotto was under 10 fights, and yet because the same guy has a title a year later, it's a tougher opponent? BS.

And no matter how much people worry about styles, if Hatton loses to Urango, it's pathetic. That guy sucks and didn't even win the fight the night he got his belt.
when you say anything against Mayweather, it automatically becomes a case of us versus them, Pretty Boy's versus 'Hatton fans'. The Pretty Boys get increasingly sulky and ever more negative, predictably trying to say 'he hasn't done shit.' (It also seems to happen to Cotto and Margarito a fair bit too). You'll find that we don't go out of our way to rave about Hatton, but when he gets dissed on the current scene people do defend him, getting into the type of heated debates that they wouldn't normally do.


You'll recall, my original ojection - over on the Current Scene -was more to do with Jermain Taylor's top 5 p4p ranking, & I made a case for Hatton as well as half a dozen worthier fighters.
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E wrote: :TU: Touche. So right - MAyweather's fans seem to mirror his dislikeable, arrogant, petulant personality.

None of them can enter into a reasonable discussion it's all exgerrated claims and insults.
HAH, maybe some of you Hatton fans should realize you're calling the kettle black. Why is it everytime someone brings up Hatton's resume, 65893 people come to defend him? No one, and I mean NO ONE, gets more defensive then a fvcking Hatton fan. What trash you guys are spewing.

The only argument a Hatton fan has is that Ricky beat Tszyu. Other than that, Ricky hasn't done shit. Carlos Maussa was beaten by Cotto when Cotto was under 10 fights, and yet because the same guy has a title a year later, it's a tougher opponent? BS.

And no matter how much people worry about styles, if Hatton loses to Urango, it's pathetic. That guy sucks and didn't even win the fight the night he got his belt.
when you say anything against Mayweather, it automatically becomes a case of us versus them, Pretty Boy's versus 'Hatton fans'. The Pretty Boys get increasingly sulky and ever more negative, predictably trying to say 'he hasn't done shit.' (It also seems to happen to Cotto and Margarito a fair bit too). You'll find that we don't go out of our way to rave about Hatton, but when he gets dissed on the current scene people do defend him, getting into the type of heated debates that they wouldn't normally do.


You'll recall, my original ojection - over on the Current Scene -was more to do with Jermain Taylor's top 5 p4p ranking, & I made a case for Hatton as well as half a dozen worthier fighters.
Whenever an American brings up Hatton, it turns into a PBF/Hatton debate guaranteed. It always breaks down to that, eventhough in the latest Hatton topic on the Current Scene was merely about Hatton, one person goes in one direction with it, and BAM, there's the debate. Not to continue the debate, but to counter your point, PBF offered both Cotto and Hatton, both declined. What else can the guy do?

As for the second point, Taylor has flaws, as does every other fighter in the top 10, but look who the guy has been in the ring with in his past 4 fights, 2 sure fire HOFers, and one of the top 3 at 154, and he came out of those fights 3-0-1. Hatton took on a sure fire HOFer, 1 lucky champ, and 1 unknown champ. To compare those two as reasoning for putting Hatton in the top 10 possibly above Taylor is just crazy. No one, not even Manny, has run the gauntlet lately like Taylor has, and just because he was unable to clearly beat two hall of famers, and failed to knockout one of the toughest men in boxing, people are quick to dismiss him. Yet, he came out of that 4 fight run still undefeated. People put Calzaghe in the top 10 based on skills shown against opponents who aren't even close to the guys Taylor has been fighting. Also remember who it was that turned down 5 million for a rematch, Winky Wright. If the guy went Hopkins x 2, Wright, Ouma, Wright, and got out there with a winning record (which even if he lost his next fight to Wright he would) that's something of substance, beating Sakio Bika and Peter Manfredo is not.
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I don't think it's crazy at all. Taylor's not fought even 1 physically threatening fighter, or even won a fast paced fight. He was even with two physically unimposing, albeit very skilled, fighters. The age difference should have had more of a bearing, would have if he'd shown more intelligence and ring generalship. If he was top 5 material - if he had skills equal to his athleticism - he would've had something better than merely holding his own.

I can't believe how Tokuyama never was on a p4p list. He's beautifully skilled and from 10 world title wins, he only had 2 controversial ones. Taylor's had 3 title fights and all were debatable.


The jury is still out on Hatton and Taylor. Tszyu is obviously a great win because RH took thunderous shots and actually ground him down. Maussa, yes, is a accidental champ (like Baldo) who was KO'd (unlike Baldo, for perspective). Collazo was unheralded, but also skilled and tough. Urango might lack finesse, but he appears a physical danger (as would Miranda, Pavlik, etc to Taylor).

Let's face it, Castillo - if light welter complements him - is one fvck of a threat. Because his punches could rip Hatton's face to shreds, and JLC has some skill.


In truth, there are asterisks against Urango (lucky win over Rabah), and Castillo (can he be effective after his weight troubles?). However, they are approved by Hatton's paymasters HBO because of their agressive styles.



I don't think Hatton-Mayweather debates will come to anything. In boxing, when a fighter has truly 'made it' as a big name, he'll most likely face other names, many of whom might be ageing/off form (so we have Pac-Morales 3, Larios; Floyd-Judah, Oscar and an inflated lineal fight with Baldo)...

Floyd is at the stage where he's earned a HOF career and it's about Oscar.
Hatton however has some pretty live challengers that befit a fighter with his engine and enthusiasm.
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Jesus he looks wretched!

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Mayweather is a great fighter, no doubt about it, he feels this himself, which is why he has been treading water until he could get Oscar in the ring. If he wins, I reckon he retires from boxing, he will be 30 by that time in any case, and probably is going to start sliding soon.

Hatton is a very good fighter who is yet to prove his greatness, he has had one defining fight to break through into the big time, but needs to record some other big wins to become hall of fame material.

I rate Floyd Mayweather AND Hatton, Mayweather is in a different league skill wise, but that doesn't mean that Hatton isn't a hell of a fighter, and doesn't mean Hatton couldn't have troubled him at 140.
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Not just that, his face looks terribly gaunt. Could be the weightmaking don't forget that 7lbs of muscle he gained has had to be removed along with all the excess weight etc. He could be drained.
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