Kevin Anderson vs Ali Nuumbembe

RightUppercut · Post by **RightUppercut** » 12 Feb 2007, 08:09

Anderson is far to good for Ali and will eventually break him down and knock him out.

Ando KO 6

caster · Post by **caster** » 12 Feb 2007, 08:25

Tend to agree.

Anderson is a fighter with great hunger and he will take some beating!

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 12 Feb 2007, 08:42

Another decent fight this.

Ali looks to have enough ability to box Anderson, but Anderson is strong, solid and tough - Not only that, he is a decent boxer himself.

The odds look stacked against the silent assassin, even more so after the heart breaking loss to firecracker Olusegun, where Ali looked well out of sorts. The nature of this loss has raised quite a few questions regarding Ali, and this fight will prove whether it was just a blip or indeed he is on the slide.

It all points to a win for 'Ando', but I am going for it via the long haul with Anderson taking a comfortable decison.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 12 Feb 2007, 12:10

I think Ali will hang in there but would imagine Anderson to have a little too much for him and outbox the African. Ali was out of sorts versus Olusegun and with more notice i am sure he will come in fit for 12 rounds. Will be a good scrap all the same.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 12 Feb 2007, 12:14

To be fair Ali did take the fight at something like 5 days notice.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 12 Feb 2007, 12:16

Yep that's what i was referring too, i am sure a fitter and more prepared Ali will be a tougher proposition for Anderson than the version that fought the Nigerian.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 12 Feb 2007, 12:23

Does Ali have any kind of counter punching?

Ando's open to counters and a counter puncher who he couldn't rough up will beat him but Is Ali a counter puncher?

spud66 · Post by **spud66** » 12 Feb 2007, 13:43

Anyone Going to the fight??

I also think that Anderson will ware down Ali and stop him around about the 7th round

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 12 Feb 2007, 17:57

I think that Nuumbembe has enough about him to at least stay with Anderson, but I can't picture how he can win this one.

I can see Anderson's strength and edge in power being the big factors in the fight, and while Ali will be game and may present some early stylistic problems for the champion, I think he'll get worn down and either stopped late on, or edged out reasonably comfortably on points.

Daveyswan · Post by **Daveyswan** » 12 Feb 2007, 18:21

Am I the only 1 of thinks Ali can win this? Anderson does seem to be quite easy to hit and from what i've seen of Ali he can counter punch.

Daveyswan

Top Dog · Post by **Top Dog** » 12 Feb 2007, 20:10

Ali is fairly quick handed, but Anderson is quicker, has more power, a better chin, and is tried and tested in a hard fight. Anderson will be too much for Ali, trust me

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 13 Feb 2007, 04:42

Close fight in my opinion. Ali is better than Okine in my opinion and his fight with Anderson could have gone either way, again imo. But I was very impressed at the way he came back against Mutley, especially after that really heavy knockdown, he is improving all the time. Should be a good clash of styles and they both seem hungry fighters, Ali to pick up some early rounds with his counterpunching but Anderson to pull away down the strech to win by a couple.

Also good on Anderson, 19 fights, 23 years old and he's taken on the likes of Nuumbembe, Mutley, Okine and Dickson.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 13 Feb 2007, 06:07

My worry for Ali is that he fights at his pace. I think if he would have pressed the action a bit more he would have put the Barnes result beyond doubt (I had him a comfortablish winner). I'm not sure what he is like when under serious pressure and I'm not sure Ali hits hard enough to dent Kevin.

However, its quite interestingly poised cause I was so surprised with how Mutley was dealing with him before he gassed.

Top Dog · Post by **Top Dog** » 13 Feb 2007, 06:43

Lenny Albert wrote:Close fight in my opinion. Ali is better than Okine in my opinion and his fight with Anderson could have gone either way, again imo. But I was very impressed at the way he came back against Mutley, especially after that really heavy knockdown, he is improving all the time. Should be a good clash of styles and they both seem hungry fighters, Ali to pick up some early rounds with his counterpunching but Anderson to pull away down the strech to win by a couple.

Also good on Anderson, 19 fights, 23 years old and he's taken on the likes of Nuumbembe, Mutley, Okine and Dickson.

No Way is Nuumbembe better than Okine

If you watched Ali against Barnes it was a close fight, but Okine K.O'D Barnes heavily. Okine is a much better, and smarter fighter than Ali. If Kev is firing on all cylinders he K.O'S him inside 6 rounds.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 13 Feb 2007, 06:53

Ali took the Barnes fight at late notice and the only reason he didn't win big was he faded down the streach which could be excused.

Barnes I don't think looked right in the Okine fight. I know it's a cop out excuse but that's what I felt watching it. I reckon Ali is the better boxer.

I just feel Anderson brings a bit too much heat but I would be very surprised if he finishes him in 6 rounds. Anderson is not Olusegun

Top Dog · Post by **Top Dog** » 13 Feb 2007, 07:11

Aye you right there, Anderson is no Olusgen, he's better than him as well

By your own admission Ali only had a couple of weeks, or was it a week, a day, fornicate it the time is getting shorter everytime someone gives me that excuse. He got pumped, end of, if he wasnt ready he shouldnt have taken the fight, so it shows what a dafty he is. Same goes for the Barnes fight, not ready dont fight. If your really going to go into a fight thinking you can win, it sounds a lot of pish when you come out with "I wasn't ready, they only called me at lunchtime" patter. If you think you can cut the mustard at the top level you aint going to take a fight at short notice if you have any kind of brain power

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 13 Feb 2007, 07:39

Ali shouldn't have taken Olusguen fight i'll give you that one, it was far too big a risk and as he's handlers have come out and said it was he who wanted to fight he really doesn't have any excuses. Especially as he had this fight with Anderson on the horizon, fighting Olusguen as a warm up was a terrible idea. Fair play to Kevin for still fighting him.

Before Barnes, how many people had heard of Ali Nuumbembe? He came in and outboxed Barnes and got himself known. I was just giving an opinion as to why he faded down the streach and didn't beat Barnes by a big enough margin to win the fight.

Top Dog · Post by **Top Dog** » 13 Feb 2007, 08:51

I'm of the opinion that some of these fighters out there are a little too muscley, and hence are fucked after 5-6 rounds, Nuumbembe is fairly muscular hence he will fade hopefully

It will be a good one anyway. And big ups for Anderson taking him on, he wants to win titles, aint scared of anyone, and wants to prove he is the best, go on Ando!

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 13 Feb 2007, 09:31

Top Dog wrote: By your own admission Ali only had a couple of weeks, or was it a week, a day, eff it the time is getting shorter everytime someone gives me that excuse. He got pumped, end of, if he wasnt ready he shouldnt have taken the fight, so it shows what a dafty he is. Same goes for the Barnes fight, not ready dont fight. If your really going to go into a fight thinking you can win, it sounds a lot of pish when you come out with "I wasn't ready, they only called me at lunchtime" patter. If you think you can cut the mustard at the top level you aint going to take a fight at short notice if you have any kind of brain power

Yeah, of course, because fighters like Ali have plenty of money to put food on their tables and pay their bills dont they. Ali took the fights because the man has to make a living. He isnt getting paid thousands and thousands to fight the likes of Ernie Smith, and he doesnt have family or parents in this country to house him and / or support him. Its all very well calling him a "dafty" for taking the fight, but im sure he'd rather be a dafty with a roof over his head and food on his table, than a dafty with nothing.

Top Dog · Post by **Top Dog** » 13 Feb 2007, 10:01

Wales wrote:
Top Dog wrote: By your own admission Ali only had a couple of weeks, or was it a week, a day, eff it the time is getting shorter everytime someone gives me that excuse. He got pumped, end of, if he wasnt ready he shouldnt have taken the fight, so it shows what a dafty he is. Same goes for the Barnes fight, not ready dont fight. If your really going to go into a fight thinking you can win, it sounds a lot of pish when you come out with "I wasn't ready, they only called me at lunchtime" patter. If you think you can cut the mustard at the top level you aint going to take a fight at short notice if you have any kind of brain power
Yeah, of course, because fighters like Ali have plenty of money to put food on their tables and pay their bills dont they. Ali took the fights because the man has to make a living. He isnt getting paid thousands and thousands to fight the likes of Ernie Smith, and he doesnt have family or parents in this country to house him and / or support him. Its all very well calling him a "dafty" for taking the fight, but im sure he'd rather be a dafty with a roof over his head and food on his table, than a dafty with nothing.

I understand that, but looking at the bigger picture it was a big mistake. If he really has big title aspirations, he shouldnt fight unless he is ready cause you just get moved down the ladder again.

Top Dog · Post by **Top Dog** » 13 Feb 2007, 10:04

Top Dog wrote:Aye you right there, Anderson is no Olusgen, he's better than him as well By your own admission Ali only had a couple of weeks, or was it a week, a day, eff it the time is getting shorter everytime someone gives me that excuse. He got pumped, end of, if he wasnt ready he shouldnt have taken the fight, so it shows what a dafty he is. Same goes for the Barnes fight, not ready dont fight. If your really going to go into a fight thinking you can win, it sounds a lot of pish when you come out with "I wasn't ready, they only called me at lunchtime" patter. If you think you can cut the mustard at the top level you aint going to take a fight at short notice if you have any kind of brain power

Just to make it clear, Ando is BETTER than Olusgen IMO, not the other way around. My last post wasnt that clear. fornicate it, Ando for President as well

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 13 Feb 2007, 10:57

Top Dog wrote:
Wales wrote:
Top Dog wrote: By your own admission Ali only had a couple of weeks, or was it a week, a day, eff it the time is getting shorter everytime someone gives me that excuse. He got pumped, end of, if he wasnt ready he shouldnt have taken the fight, so it shows what a dafty he is. Same goes for the Barnes fight, not ready dont fight. If your really going to go into a fight thinking you can win, it sounds a lot of pish when you come out with "I wasn't ready, they only called me at lunchtime" patter. If you think you can cut the mustard at the top level you aint going to take a fight at short notice if you have any kind of brain power
Yeah, of course, because fighters like Ali have plenty of money to put food on their tables and pay their bills dont they. Ali took the fights because the man has to make a living. He isnt getting paid thousands and thousands to fight the likes of Ernie Smith, and he doesnt have family or parents in this country to house him and / or support him. Its all very well calling him a "dafty" for taking the fight, but im sure he'd rather be a dafty with a roof over his head and food on his table, than a dafty with nothing.
I understand that, but looking at the bigger picture it was a big mistake. If he really has big title aspirations, he shouldnt fight unless he is ready cause you just get moved down the ladder again.

How was it a big mistake? Would he have got this shot any quicker had he won?

It hasnt hindered his career thus far, and highlights the current British culture of keeping a fighters record intact, or as intact as possible. Its feasible Ali learnt something from the fight, or has become more motivated as a result by not falling into the "I'll beat anyone category".
It didnt move him down the commonwealth ladder, and his managment team would be the biggest dafties of all if they thought Ali was good enough for proper World honours. And he isnt eligable to fight for either the british or euro titles.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 13 Feb 2007, 15:16

I respect Ali for taking the Olusegun job on, the guy just wanted work and got in at short notice and was KO'd by a better guy on the night. As for Okine-Barnes i think Barnes had something missing that night as well, he was comfortable until Okine dropped him and then he went to pieces. Barnes was the more skilled fighter and with a bit more discipline and mental toughness he would have outboxed the African IMO.

hibbo · Post by **hibbo** » 13 Feb 2007, 17:47

Wales wrote:
Top Dog wrote: By your own admission Ali only had a couple of weeks, or was it a week, a day, eff it the time is getting shorter everytime someone gives me that excuse. He got pumped, end of, if he wasnt ready he shouldnt have taken the fight, so it shows what a dafty he is. Same goes for the Barnes fight, not ready dont fight. If your really going to go into a fight thinking you can win, it sounds a lot of pish when you come out with "I wasn't ready, they only called me at lunchtime" patter. If you think you can cut the mustard at the top level you aint going to take a fight at short notice if you have any kind of brain power
Yeah, of course, because fighters like Ali have plenty of money to put food on their tables and pay their bills dont they. Ali took the fights because the man has to make a living. He isnt getting paid thousands and thousands to fight the likes of Ernie Smith, and he doesnt have family or parents in this country to house him and / or support him. Its all very well calling him a "dafty" for taking the fight, but im sure he'd rather be a dafty with a roof over his head and food on his table, than a dafty with nothing.

well said,ali needed the fight financially im sure,obviosly he and his camp underestimated olugsuen,but ali felt like he could do a job even at short notice,it didn't pay off but luckily for him he's got his chance now.anderson is a tall order,but kevins come forward style will suit ali's very fast counter punching ,andersons defence is a little leaky and im sure if ali has trained in his usual relentless way and made the weight with no worries,he can cause a big upset.either way this is no easy fight for both guys

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 14 Feb 2007, 07:16

Getting ahead of myself here - especially since Kevin will most probably might Magee after Nuumbembe - but what do you reckon to these guys who contest the vacant WBU title next month? (with Gilmour for one mentioning the European title as the next step)

Jackson Osei Bonsu looks to have good power, whilst Nordine Mouchi lost to M'Baye by SD a few years ago.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=021513